Visiting a statue is visiting?

[Iollain]

Are you saying that Jesus was just man?

I must say it's always funny when people would rather embrace outright heresy rather than suggest that a Protestant belief might be possibly true.

 

[Merciel]

You have alot to say to us but nothing to put into the debate. Where is your evidence of heresy that you accuse of?

Somebody else pointed it out: monophysitism and monothelitism. And I don't know if there's a term for it, but saying that Christ's humanity died but not His deity, thereby, resulting in a worthless sacrifice. Perhaps nestorianism? I think http://www.carm.org/heresy/nestorianism.htm (which definitely isn't a pro-Catholic site) says it best about the problem of such a heresy: "The problem with Nestorianism is that it threatens the atonement. If Jesus is two persons, then which one died on the cross? If it was the "human person" then the atonement is not of divine quality and thereby insufficient to cleanse us of our sins."

 

[Iollain]

Somebody else pointed it out: monophysitism and monothelitism. And I don't know if there's a term for it, but saying that Christ's humanity died but not His deity, thereby, resulting in a worthless sacrifice. Perhaps nestorianism? I think http://www.carm.org/heresy/nestorianism.htm (which definitely isn't a pro-Catholic site) says it best about the problem of such a heresy: "The problem with Nestorianism is that it threatens the atonement. If Jesus is two persons, then which one died on the cross? If it was the "human person" then the atonement is not of divine quality and thereby insufficient to cleanse us of our sins."

Wait a minute, are you suggesting that Jesus did not preach in hell ?

I must say it's always funny when people would rather embrace outright heresy rather than suggest that the Scriptures might be possibly true.

 

[IamAdopted]

Somebody else pointed it out: monophysitism and monothelitism. And I don't know if there's a term for it, but saying that Christ's humanity died but not His deity, thereby, resulting in a worthless sacrifice. Perhaps nestorianism? I think http://www.carm.org/heresy/nestorianism.htm (which definitely isn't a pro-Catholic site) says it best about the problem of such a heresy: "The problem with Nestorianism is that it threatens the atonement. If Jesus is two persons, then which one died on the cross? If it was the "human person" then the atonement is not of divine quality and thereby insufficient to cleanse us of our sins."

Jesus was more than just a Human Man. He was God in the flesh. He was the word which became flesh and dwelt amoung us. He is the Christ the Messiah. Now where do you see in all scripture that Christ had a human nature? For He was not born of Mans seed but of Gods seed. He took on a human body and He lived and walked as a man walks. Yet He was God. He had the Power to heal. He had the Power to forgive sins. He had the Power to lay down His life for His sheep and rise again from the dead. So now tell me where in scripture do you see Christ with a human nature?

 

[Oblio]

Are you saying that Jesus was just man?

If I had meant that I would have said 'just' a man.

 

[Oblio]

Jesus is 100% man and 100% God, and he is alive in the flesh, yet he is not here with us. How is that ?

 

[IamAdopted]

Jesus is 100% man and 100% God, and he is alive in the flesh, yet he is not here with us. How is that ?

Because it is the 100 percent God that is with us. Through His Spirit.
Psa 139:2 You know when I sit down and when I rise up; You understand my thought from afar.
Psa 139:3 You scrutinize my path and my lying down, And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.
Psa 139:4 Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all.
Psa 139:5 You have enclosed me behind and before, And laid Your hand upon me.
Psa 139:6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is too high, I cannot attain to it.
Psa 139:7 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
Psa 139:9 If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea,
Psa 139:10 Even there Your hand will lead me, And Your right hand will lay hold of me.
Psa 139:11 If I say, "Surely the darkness will overwhelm me, And the light around me will be night,"
Psa 139:12 Even the darkness is not dark to You, And the night is as bright as the day. Darkness and light are alike to You.

 

[Oblio]

Because it is the 100 percent God that is with us.

So Christ is split in two ?

His 100% Divinity is with us, but His 100% man is elsewhere ?

 

[Iollain]

Because God is a Trinity, but He is One God.

 

[Iollain]

Is there a point to this questioning or are you just trying to look really smart?

 

[Oblio]

I'm trying to make sure no one is being led astray by Christological heresies in their quest to disdain and attack all things Catholic and/or Orthodox.

 

[Iollain]

Oh, k. I thought maybe you were trying to prove that we can talk to those passed on and your proof being that we can talk to Jesus, because of this:

Christ is not physically with us as a man, just as the Saints are not with us physically. So is Christ dead to you ? Or is He just alive in a Spiritual sense ?

.......and btw, there is noone raised to incorruptible but Jesus.

 

[Oblio]

Oh, k. I thought maybe you were trying to prove that we can talk to those passed on and your proof being that we can talk to Jesus ...

No, but it is clear that being physically absent does not necessarily mean one is dead (which is the implied logic used by many)

 

[Iollain]

Sure they could come here as a ghost, but only the Holy Ghost is everywhere and knows everything, you cannot compare God to humans.

 

[Oblio]

No, they do not come here as ghosts, no one believes this.

Holy Ghost is a English mistranslation (or it is now, I don't recall what Ghost meant in EM English )

 

[Oblio]

I cannot compare Jesus Christ to humans ?
How are we to become like Him, if we cannot compare ourselves to Him ?

 

[Iollain]

Because the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are One God, and that is how Jesus said He would be with us, the Holy Spirit. He did not say that there is a Mary Spirit that will be with us. You cannot take what is specifically of God and give it to people.

 

[Oblio]

You cannot take what is specifically of God and give it to people.

Specifically what ?

 

[Iollain]

No, they do not come here as ghosts, no one believes this.

Holy Ghost is a English mistranslation (or it is now, I don't recall what Ghost meant in EM English )

Yes Samuel came up as a ghost out of Sheol.

I'm sure you already know im talking about a spirit, why do you torture me with this constant questioning when you know full well what i'm talking about?

 

[Iollain]

Specifically what ?

Specifically you cannot say because Jesus is here through the Holy Spirit, therefore people can do the same thing.