Virginity

[Living4Him03]

Do you think someone who has done "other stuff" but has not had actual sexual intercourse can say they are a virgin? How do you think it should be defined?

If you are someone who has gone too far (acts that involve nakedness -partial or full-for the sake of this thread) but has not had actual sexual intercourse, do you consider yourself a virgin?

 

[heavenliejediofthebeach]

i think to be a virgin, u have not had intercourse

 

[Crain]

Actually I do... I'm a virgin and I understand the reasons for not having sex until marriage. But its different for the girls. The girls has the hymen and boys don't. So we are consider to be virgins until we actually have sex. In females, the hymen is proof that they are still virgins.

 

[Phrasedefina]

Crain: Not always proof....I mean they can break during all kinds of activities that are not sexual. If she says she is a virgin, there are many OTHER ways you will know.

Also,

I believe everyone is a virgin until intercourse. I am not one, and many years ago, I wished I still was. But now, I am not dishearted about it. I really thought we we're in love and it was meant to be.....Not only that, if I was still a virgin I would probably be very naive and would've fallen for all kinds of other things the world has thrown at me.
However, I am not saying its ok to have sex before marriage or that you should go and seek to loose your virginity.

 

[rwl]

In females, the hymen is proof that they are still virgins.

Except for the large number of women that break theirs playing sports, accidents (not sex related), horseback riding....

That in itself has been debated many a time.

 

[songz777]

The answer is very plain... Being a virgin . is simply not having actual penetration with a woman and the woman of course to have not have acepted that from a man ,,any things else but that is not sex and therfore you remain a virgin. Bless u john

 

[LionOfJudah]

i am sorry, but i have to say that any sort of oral sex, would exclude you from being a virgin, that is just my view.

as for guys, we are very physical being. i highly recommend that you are never alone with a female, even if it is your fiancee. just do not do it, avoid it at all cost if possible, when i say alone i mean in a home/bedroom type of situtation. just my 2 cents from past experience.

 

[Crain]

Crain: Not always proof....I mean they can break during all kinds of activities that are not sexual. If she says she is a virgin, there are many OTHER ways you will know.

Also,

I believe everyone is a virgin until intercourse. I am not one, and many years ago, I wished I still was. But now, I am not dishearted about it. I really thought we we're in love and it was meant to be.....Not only that, if I was still a virgin I would probably be very naive and would've fallen for all kinds of other things the world has thrown at me.
However, I am not saying its ok to have sex before marriage or that you should go and seek to loose your virginity.

Didn't know all that... But thanks for the extra information.

 

[jesus_is_my_life]

Everybody whose given their life over to the Lord and repented of previous "activity" is a born-again virgin in the eyes of God ...remember, with Him ALL things are made new including things having to do with your sexuality...

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new" (2 Cor 5:17).

~He said ALL things, not everything but your virginity status....

 

[scooby]

Before I became a Christian I would've said yes, but now as a Christian I have to say no.

It is probably way too easy to move from the "other stuff" to the intercourse so why risk it?

How does the Bible define it?

Do you think someone who has done "other stuff" but has not had actual sexual intercourse can say they are a virgin? How do you think it should be defined?

If you are someone who has gone too far (acts that involve nakedness -partial or full-for the sake of this thread) but has not had actual sexual intercourse, do you consider yourself a virgin?

 

[scooby]

I agree with the advice and I think it is very wise. Our staff at Church also practices those rules. Male staff members don't counsel women unless it is an the open.

i am sorry, but i have to say that any sort of oral sex, would exclude you from being a virgin, that is just my view.

as for guys, we are very physical being. i highly recommend that you are never alone with a female, even if it is your fiancee. just do not do it, avoid it at all cost if possible, when i say alone i mean in a home/bedroom type of situtation. just my 2 cents from past experience.

 

[stubbornkelly]

Virginity has to do with being sexually pure, in the sense of being untouched, you know, like virgin forest. I wouldn't call someone who has done everything but intercourse a virgin, not at all.

You know, a friend of mine used to call herself a virgin even though she had done everything but, and truly believed that she was keeping to God's will. In her mind, not having intercourse was what God wanted for his people until they were married, and as long as she didn't "break her virginity," she was within the bounds. Um, no.

Anyway, that's just my two cents. There's a fine line, sure, but it starts well before intercourse.

 

[Jedi]

There's a distinction that should be made here: the letter of the virginity and spirit of virginity. If you wanted to get off on a technicality, then you could do everything in the world except for intercourse and still be a "virgin." However, this is not in the spirit of virginity. Think of your body as a puzzle, where you can give parts of yourself away and once you give a certain piece away, you can never have it back. Once a girl has oral sex with a guy, she can never take that back - it is a part of her that has been permenantly given away. Similarly, if someone loses his or her virginity, that is something that can never be taken back; that (puzzle) piece of themselves has been forever given away. In light of this understanding, if someone has done every sexual thing in the world except for intercourse, they have given every single piece of their puzzle away except for the center piece. The virginity is technically intact, but the picture of sexual purity is nearly non-existant, a mere shadow of what the glory it once was.

 

[ardeur]

I totally agree with you, Jedi. Well said.

 

[songz777]

Good point Jedi. I see where you are coming from, I think to that the main thing for me is that has my future wife actually had sexual relations in the real sense. How ever even if she had, that wouldnt stop me from giving all my heart to her.
Bless you john

 

[charligirl]

There's a distinction that should be made here: the letter of the virginity and spirit of virginity. If you wanted to get off on a technicality, then you could do everything in the world except for intercourse and still be a "virgin." However, this is not in the spirit of virginity. Think of your body as a puzzle, where you can give parts of yourself away and once you give a certain piece away, you can never have it back. Once a girl has oral sex with a guy, she can never take that back - it is a part of her that has been permenantly given away. Similarly, if someone loses his or her virginity, that is something that can never be taken back; that (puzzle) piece of themselves has been forever given away. In light of this understanding, if someone has done every sexual thing in the world except for intercourse, they have given every single piece of their puzzle away except for the center piece. The virginity is technically intact, but the picture of sexual purity is nearly non-existant, a mere shadow of what the glory it once was.

I do agree with this, however there IS definately something different about full sexual intercourse that separates it from all the other stuff. I did all the other stuff before I finally had sex and I can say the sex was worlds apart from the other stuff because something spiritual takes place, it is the act of covenant whereas the other stuff isn't.

 

[Crain]

There's a distinction that should be made here: the letter of the virginity and spirit of virginity. If you wanted to get off on a technicality, then you could do everything in the world except for intercourse and still be a "virgin." However, this is not in the spirit of virginity. Think of your body as a puzzle, where you can give parts of yourself away and once you give a certain piece away, you can never have it back. Once a girl has oral sex with a guy, she can never take that back - it is a part of her that has been permenantly given away. Similarly, if someone loses his or her virginity, that is something that can never be taken back; that (puzzle) piece of themselves has been forever given away. In light of this understanding, if someone has done every sexual thing in the world except for intercourse, they have given every single piece of their puzzle away except for the center piece. The virginity is technically intact, but the picture of sexual purity is nearly non-existant, a mere shadow of what the glory it once was.

I totally agree with you Jedi. This is some awesome stuff/saying.

 

[plum]

ditto. wonderfully said, Jedi!

 

[Spclone34]

Do you think someone who has done "other stuff" but has not had actual sexual intercourse can say they are a virgin? How do you think it should be defined?

If you are someone who has gone too far (acts that involve nakedness -partial or full-for the sake of this thread) but has not had actual sexual intercourse, do you consider yourself a virgin?

I would have to say NO they are not a virgin. A virgin is someone that is pure. And if you have touched someone or been touched you have lost the innocence that you should have experience with your future spouse.

 

[The Whammy]

From personal experience, I would say that I'm asking where the line is, I'm probably too close to it.

An analogy I heard once was that God's laws are boundaries for his fields...so often I find myself staring at the fences and looking at the other side that I miss the expanse of his freedom that is right behind me.

--Chris