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Views on Hell and the problem with punishment

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GrimKingGrim

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Well referring to your signature there it's obviously not that hard to stump you, it appears you already were a confused individual beforehand.

No It's not that I'm confused, it's that I wanted to believe and I struggled to make myself believe, because innately it was unbelievable. When I gave up trying to make all of it make sense with loopy reasoning the world became so much more clearer. It was wholly unclear and confusing when I tried to explain something that has no explanation.
 
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The problem with the Christ Rejector is that they always want to run to the blame position and never take any personal accountability for their choices.
I take total responsibility for anything and everything that I, personally have done. I will not take responsibility for the supposed sins of an ancient man who never existed (Adam). I don't see why I, or anybody else gets blamed for being human when it wasn't our idea to make us fallible creatures.

So, here is the situation.
Oh please, enlighten me!
You are going to die.
Yep. Tragic but that's life.
You dont get out of this because you dont like it or dont think it will happen.
No, I'm quite certain it will happen having dealt with loss myself, I know just how that whole story goes.
The grave is not the end for you......its just the door to eternity.
I don't technically disagree. I just believe that will be an eternity of non-existence.

Then, you are going to meet God, in one of two positions.........You are going to meet him as Father, or, you are going to meet him as Judge.
YOU DECIDE< HE DOESN'T.
So I meet him after I die? Sounds like a scam... After I die, there will be no me to experience such an event. I don't spend too much time worrying about what's going to happen to me when I no longer live. That seems like a pointless waste of the precious little time I really do have.

A person who is honest, will not sit there and pretend that you dont know what the CROSS is all about.
An ancient Roman method of torture and execution.
You most certainly know that Christ died on it, and WHY......
I know of stories that talk about it but, no I don't certainly know it to be true. And the people who do believe it never seem to be able to prove it in any meaningful way. They just tell me to have faith in their stories.

and unless you are a completely deceived and dishonest human being, you also know you have sinned in word, deed, or thought, RECENTLY...., and you will sin more.
IF you were deceived how can it be said that you are dishonest. A dishonest person knows the truth but withholds it. A deceived person thinks he is right when he clearly isn't because he has been lied to.

So you have sins, and someone has to deal with those.
Do I? Where are they, by my liver? In my head? Maybe in yours? And why would someone else have to deal with them?
You can deal with them or Christ can deal with them.
Christ? The man who was executed 20 centuries ago? I doubt there's much he could do about much of anything.
YOU CHOOSE !
NOT GOD.
And saying you dont believe that Truth is absolute, and that you prefer your opinion which states that situation ethics is your cup of tea, does nothing but prove you are lost.
God (if He exists) already chose when He created the universe. I don't think I can change His plan.


So, here is how it works......
Awesome! More enlightenment.
We are born here.
Cant be helped.
Right.
We are going to die.
Cant be helped.
I'm not so sure about that. I probably definitely will die but we can't deny that technology has greatly improved life spans by nearly double their natural limits. In many ways we've improved on God's design and currently there are scientists trying to find out how to extend life spans indefinitely. Just think... 200 years ago people would have called you crazy for saying man could fly, and look at us now.

God has created a way for our destination in eternity to be a choice., and he has created a means thru Jesus's death, for us to be accepted by him and be with him.
A rather inefficient and violent way to change His own rules, don't you think?
He's not interested in your opinion about it.
Then why give me one in the first place? Why make beings with the capacity to judge and then tell them to stuff it when they turn their judgments toward Him? What's He got to hide from little ol' me?
Its DONE.
If you want to play with it and say that you have another point of view, then so be it.........Have your point of view.......Have a few if you need to.
Have a new one every day.
But your point of view is not going to keep you from dying and from facing the Creator as Father or Judge.
So, Choose before you die.
And if you dont choose, then you have chosen.
None of this makes any sense to me.

So, Its a done deal..
You were born into this, and squeaking your protest is not going to excuse you from that day where you will be left to your choice.
Sounds like a real nice guy.
 
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WRONG. Is a universe of robots a universe? Not really... God gave us all free will to choose.
God made His angels along with Lucifer, Lucifer was to serve God and play music but instead He chose to betray God.
Lucifer had made that choice on HIS own accord, God did NOT make Lucifer make that evil decision.
Just like God did NOT make man to sin and follow the devil, but He did make man with the free will to choose Him or the devil.

So to say He is indirectly responsible is foolish and absurd, God would be unfair and unjust to force us to follow Him so He gave us free will.
Essentially God does NOT technically send anyone to hell, they send themselves when they choose to follow the devil and walk in his wicked ways.
Of course God gave us freewill... We had no other choice!
 
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Especially at 17. I was too busy being antisocial at that age
Not all the teenagers are antisocial like you, I am too busy studying and researching not only for my final exam in high school but also for college, and working with my dad feeding and caring the animals in our farm and mowing for winter. You don't have to study all of them in particular because some of them are just parts of a group so if you study the group you get them. What I see here is totally the opposite, did you study all of those religions? You know nothing about Eastern Orthodoxy, about the saints, about the writings, about the church creeds or the dogmas, and we are a religion followed by 300 million people almost, what to say about the Sant Mat movement of the Bhakti.
 
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You don't have to study all of them in particular because some of them are just parts of a group so if you study the group you get them.
I see. So when you said,
Yes, I have been in an in-depth research of every religion on the earth before I took this path.
That was a lie. You did not study every religion on earth. I'm sure you know what the bible says about lying.

What I see here is totally the opposite, did you study all of those religions? You know nothing about Eastern Orthodoxy, about the saints, about the writings, about the church creeds or the dogmas, and we are a religion followed by 300 million people almost, what to say about the Sant Mat movement of the Bhakti.
Well you see... I look at religions as a group. A group of belief systems that require you to accept the premise without any verifiable evidence to support it. They all make impossible claims and require you to accept these claims before any actual truth can be revealed. Because Christianity falls into this category, I dismiss it like I would any other religion making impossible claims.
 
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Not all the teenagers are antisocial like you, I am too busy studying and researching not only for my final exam in high school but also for college, and working with my dad feeding and caring the animals in our farm and mowing for winter. You don't have to study all of them in particular because some of them are just parts of a group so if you study the group you get them. What I see here is totally the opposite, did you study all of those religions? You know nothing about Eastern Orthodoxy, about the saints, about the writings, about the church creeds or the dogmas, and we are a religion followed by 300 million people almost, what to say about the Sant Mat movement of the Bhakti.

You say you spend most of your time studying and you're not antisocial?

And please let me know what you know about the Yoruban religion please. Since it's all the same (irony warning)
 
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Hell and Heaven, are simply eternal destinations.
The saved go to one, the Christ Rejector goes to the other.
Its not difficult to understand.
Its all about CHOICE., and has nothing to do with God sending them.
Does God send you to heaven?
NO.
Same with the other destination..

Its all about free will, and God respecting a person's right to choose their final destination.

Its all about free will, and God respecting a person's right to choose their final destination.

Be careful of your choice, as God is going to let you have it, and He's going to respect your freewill after you CHOOSE, for as long as he lives.
So if I, a nonbeliever, choose Heaven, God must respect my choice? Cool.
 
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WRONG. Is a universe of robots a universe? Not really... God gave us all free will to choose.
God made His angels along with Lucifer, Lucifer was to serve God and play music but instead He chose to betray God.
Lucifer had made that choice on HIS own accord, God did NOT make Lucifer make that evil decision.
Just like God did NOT make man to sin and follow the devil, but He did make man with the free will to choose Him or the devil.

So to say He is indirectly responsible is foolish and absurd, God would be unfair and unjust to force us to follow Him so He gave us free will.
Essentially God does NOT technically send anyone to hell, they send themselves when they choose to follow the devil and walk in his wicked ways.
Free will? What nonsense. It's the same kind of "free will" that the mafia respects: "Nice soul you got there. Would be a shame if it were to burn forever..."
 
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You say you spend most of your time studying and you're not antisocial?

And please let me know what you know about the Yoruban religion please. Since it's all the same (irony warning)
"Anti-social" is an invent for teenagers who are lost in this life and live in a chaotic environment with no order, certainly here in Romania we do it the old way, I know no anti-social, we all work, we all study and I hang out with my friends almost daily, I find time for everything, and the liars are you, not me, because I say things about my life and you say they are false, how would you know that better than me? You don't.
 
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"Anti-social" is an invent for teenagers who are lost in this life and live in a chaotic environment with no order, certainly here in Romania we do it the old way, I know no anti-social, we all work, we all study and I hang out with my friends almost daily, I find time for everything, and the liars are you, not me, because I say things about my life and you say they are false, how would you know that better than me? You don't.

Ooh Strong words calling me a liar. You didn't say you find time for anything so I worked with what I was given. Silly me.

And I'd say antisocial is a real thing. I'm a deep introvert so I would know a bit about that. I spend alot of time alone. It suits my nature.
 
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Ooh Strong words calling me a liar. You didn't say you find time for anything so I worked with what I was given. Silly me.

And I'd say antisocial is a real thing. I'm a deep introvert so I would know a bit about that. I spend alot of time alone. It suits my nature.
I know no such things, living to me is relating to other persons, living to me is caring about what other people say, think or suffer, that is love for my neighbour. There is no "me" without "you", I can't live without others, and I certainly know no people around me who aren't like I am, not in my country, where the sense of family and neighbourhood is so developed and crusted into the unity of our people.
 
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Yes, the choice exists but not like you want it to, like: "I go there, take me there NOW" because you can't command God, you choose with your facts and with your works, if you choose to live without God, to willingly deny God and to hate God denying that He doesn't exist like you do now you are choosing Hell, otherwise, you are choosing Heaven.
 
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Yes, the choice exists but not like you want it to, like: "I go there, take me there NOW" because you can't command God,

According to what Kristen has stated, God must respect everyone's wishes, so if one wishes to go to Heaven, one will go to Heaven. God cannot send anyone to Hell unless that person is willing to go there. If you disagree with this, perhaps you should take it up with her?

you choose with your facts and with your works, if you choose to live without God, to willingly deny God and to hate God denying that He doesn't exist like you do now you are choosing Hell, otherwise, you are choosing Heaven.

I don't "willingly deny" or "hate" God. I don't believe in gods.
 
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According to what Kristen has stated, God must respect everyone's wishes, so if one wishes to go to Heaven, one will go to Heaven. God cannot send anyone to Hell unless that person is willing to go there. If you disagree with this, perhaps you should take it up with her?



I don't "willingly deny" or "hate" God. I don't believe in gods.

You're distorting my words... But okay... By denying God you are choosing to go to hell, period.
 
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I know no such things, living to me is relating to other persons, living to me is caring about what other people say, think or suffer, that is love for my neighbour. There is no "me" without "you", I can't live without others, and I certainly know no people around me who aren't like I am, not in my country, where the sense of family and neighbourhood is so developed and crusted into the unity of our people.

:) Good for you bud. I have a strong sense of family and friends. But I'm at heart a solitary creature.

You'll see.

Oooh what a threat.

You're distorting my words... But okay... By denying God you are choosing to go to hell, period.

So is it a choice or not?
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