Views on Hell and the problem with punishment

[GoldenBoy89]

That's an incomplete question, you have to give me the name of that supposed god and the requirements of atonement in that religion so we can see each case in particular, because the word "religion" is not like the word "blue", it has hundreds of meanings.

What will you say to Allah when you stand before him on your judgment day? What will be your excuse for not honoring Muhammad and praying five times a day and fasting during Ramadan?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

The "deity" loves us anyway, the matter is how we perceive that love. That burning love will be perceived as suffering by those who runned away from God their entire lives, and by eternal joy by those who loved Him and prepared to be in harmony with Him. God is a fair God, He cannot force us to love Him, and it's our love for Him who prepares us to be in His presence, if we lack of that love while we are alive then we will end up unprepared after our death. Can you blame the fire for burning? It's just how the fire is, the same is God, you can't blame God for being so holy that only those who prepared enough can approach to Him, and the others will burn. Do you remember Leviticus, and what happened to those ritually impure who approached the Ark of the Covenant? They died, the same will happen to those who will approach God impure after they die, but they cannot die again, so they will feel pain.

I find it very logical.

You and I have very different concepts of what is "logical." That much is clear.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Actually, as an atheist, I don´t believe that a god exists, to begin with.

Hear, hear!

Quoted for Truth!

 

[Wryetui]

What will you say to Allah when you stand before him on your judgment day? What will be your excuse for not honoring Muhammad and praying five times a day and fasting during Ramadan?

Nothing because Allah is a false god instituted by a deceived prophet and he doesn't exist. The only God that revealed to the world, to our world was YHWH.

 

[bhsmte]

Nothing because Allah is a false god instituted by a deceived prophet and he doesn't exist. The only God that revealed to the world, to our world was YHWH.

2/3 of the world doesn't believe what you believe.

Are they all being led by satan?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Nothing because Allah is a false god instituted by a deceived prophet and he doesn't exist. The only God that revealed to the world, to our world was YHWH.

Amazing how you could just write off the experience of over a billion people currently, and 1500 years of history as false and a deception. Now you know how I feel towards your religion and god.

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F Roberts

 

[Wryetui]

Yes, just because thousands of millions believe something that doesn't mean it is real. Either christianity is real or islam, they can't be both, and all the evidence point to christianity. You atheist have an incredible lack of criticisim, you just say: "yeah sure your religion is right and others is wrong" and that's it, but don't do any research or any study for what I am saying, what I am saying is true.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yes, just because thousands of millions believe something that doesn't mean it is real. Either christianity is real or islam, they can't be both, and all the evidence point to christianity. You atheist have an incredible lack of criticisim, you just say: "yeah sure your religion is right and others is wrong" and that's it, but don't do any research or any study for what I am saying, what I am saying is true.

Did you do in-depth research of every other religion before you rejected their claims?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yes, just because thousands of millions believe something that doesn't mean it is real. Either christianity is real or islam, they can't be both, and all the evidence point to christianity. You atheist have an incredible lack of criticisim, you just say: "yeah sure your religion is right and others is wrong" and that's it, but don't do any research or any study for what I am saying, what I am saying is true.

There is no evidence of the truth of Christianity. There is evidence of people believing in Christianity but as you, yourself said above, billions of people believing in something is no evidence to the truth of that belief. You're right.... They can't both be right, they're incompatible beliefs, so either one of them is right, or none of them is right. That's a possibility too. I go with the latter.

Do you think you're being critical of your own beliefs when you say that you have the truth and everybody else is either lying, delusional or mislead? Do you think that is being honest?

 

[Wryetui]

Yes, that's what I meant, that there are more evidence for believing christianity much more than beliving islam. Yes, I have been in an in-depth research of every religion on the earth before I took this path.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yes, that's what I meant, that there are more evidence for believing christianity much more than beliving islam. Yes, I have been in an in-depth research of every religion on the earth before I took this path.

I'm skeptical of this claim. I don't think you have.

 

[Wryetui]

You may think what you want in order to not reel your boat of safety in order to beliefs, but what your opinion isn't based on reality in this case.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You may think what you want in order to not reel your boat of safety in order to beliefs, but what your opinion isn't based on reality in this case.

I doubt you laboriously studied the doctrines of every single religion before settling on Orthodox Christianity.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

What does make you believe I fear death, making you to speak with condescendece to me? How pathethic.

You want eternal life. Not hard.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yes, I have been in an in-depth research of every religion on the earth before I took this path.

Take a look at this list and tell me honestly that you've done in-depth research on most of these.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions_and_spiritual_traditions

 

[GrimKingGrim]

I doubt you laboriously studied the doctrines of every single religion before settling on Orthodox Christianity.

Especially at 17. I was too busy being antisocial at that age

 

[Kristin E]

God does not send anyone to hell, they send themselves. Hell is very real, and so is heaven.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

God does not send anyone to hell, they send themselves. Hell is very real, and so is heaven.

Cool. So looks like no one is in Hell because no one wants to be there, and apparently God has to respect their choices. He can't send them to a place they don't want to go.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

God does not send anyone to hell, they send themselves. Hell is very real, and so is heaven.

Maybe not but as the ultimate source of everything that exists, He is partially to blame for creating a universe where people can choose to send themselves there. Maybe we can send ourselves there just like a teenager can kill himself. But why would the parent allow them to do so?

 

[GrimKingGrim]

God does not send anyone to hell, they send themselves. Hell is very real, and so is heaven.

Wasn't aware I had the power to do such a thing. Why was hell created in the first place?