view of morality and ethics can rise no higher then your view of God

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

I agree, this truth reminds me of the view of God in the Old Testament, it's largely created in the image of the holy men who wrote, edited, redacted and rewrote it. Today the teaching of the false doctrine of the inspiration of scripture is a stumbling block for those who might find the true God.

When we read in Bible books stuff like this: "Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)

......then I know that's the thinking and behavior of men projected onto God. Modern day ISIS behaves in this way.

You have much sense, brother, but you fall into the same trap here. There are Muslims, and there are military groups specifically created, trained and supported by the Western governments as tools in their geopolitical games. To you for some reason, they are the same. But they are not. Please open your eyes on this subject, too.

 

[mcarmichael]

......then I know that's the thinking and behavior of men projected onto God. Modern day ISIS behaves in this way.

It's a little different though, too. Remember they had the pillar of fire/pillar of cloud with them. ISIS only has a TV camera.

 

[Colter]

You have much sense, brother, but you fall into the same trap here. There are Muslims, and there are military groups specifically created, trained and supported by the Western governments as tools in their geopolitical games. To you for some reason, they are the same. But they are not. Please open your eyes on this subject, too.

Western governments may train and arm existing factions in there skeemes but the neo-Islamic fundamentalist movement is simply an attempted return to the Islam of the early Islamic crusades. Just like Jews today no longer practice the Laviticus laws, moderate Muslims no longer adhere to all of the Quran. ISIS has returned to the book.

Milestones (book) - Wikipedia

 

[mcarmichael]

Consider this -

Man will never achieve a morality or concept of ethics that is higher than his/her view of God.

Does that not explain to some extent the actions of violent Muslims?

In every case they affirm that their view of God affirms their actions and that he is just like them if not more so - in that regard

Thoughts?

This strikes me as an oxymoron, because we have from Scriptures "Even as high as my ways are above your ways, have I removed your sin from you."
So, we have a God who's holiness we cannot even properly grasp. I mean, it's true...

 

[dqhall]

Are you angry??? In that case i bow in the dust, no need to kill me Yes, morality to me depends on my emotions, i should rather say my compassion level, sorry if you don´t agree. If a person kills someone because he or she feels like it, then yes that is his or her morality level, it depends from human to human. That is why there is atheists in this world that are better people than you and me, or could be, it´s all relative, it has nothing to do with faith i feel...

Joseph Stalin was an atheist. He accepted an ideology to try to eliminate religion. According to Solzhenitsyn he may have executed and starved more people in forced labor camps than Hitler.

The New Testament is not the same as the Old Testament. Christians have built hospitals and homeless shelters as they knew Jesus healed the sick and cared for the poor. Jesus came to teach a new covenant.

 

[BobRyan]

This strikes me as an oxymoron, because we have from Scriptures "Even as high as my ways are above your ways, have I removed your sin from you."
So, we have a God who's holiness we cannot even properly grasp. I mean, it's true...

It is true that God is above us - infinitely above us. And those with a right concept of God will never equal Him... Yet there is the Psalms 50:21 text "you thought I was like you". Man tends to downsize God. Still that man is likely not to exceed even his downsizing of God -- and the more he downsizes God - as Psalms 50:21 points out - the more he thinks he can get by with a lower standard for himself.

 

[BobRyan]

Joseph Stalin was an atheist. He accepted an ideology to try to eliminate religion. According to Solzhenitsyn he may have executed and starved more people in forced labor camps than Hitler.

True. His god was satan but satan was not his "ideal". He very likely had something of an "ideal" that he also fell short of even in his own mind.

The New Testament is not the same as the Old Testament.

True. In the NT we have the "persecuted church" model of evangelizing the world with the Gospel.
In the OT we have the "nation church" model of evangelizing the world with the Gospel.

Same Gospel

Christians have built hospitals and homeless shelters as they knew Jesus healed the sick and cared for the poor. Jesus came to teach a new covenant.

the New Covenant is in the Old Testament.

Jeremiah 31:31-33 "THIS IS the NEW Covenant"

 

[BobRyan]

In all due respect, and as a Christian, I do not think we are in a position to judge Islam at all. Why? Because Christians, or countries that the world considers to be majority Christian, have committed and continue to commit far greater atrocities than any Muslim group has ever done and will do. Nobody, nobody can ever outdo Christians in bad bad immoral stuff.

For example? Cutting peoples throats filming it - spreading that around in the internet shouting "God is great" with each murdered victim?

Is it your argument that this is not what violent Muslims are known for today - rather it is what Christians are known for.

Really??

But to answer the question, the prevailing islamophobic view of the West is greatly, greatly exaggerated. Yes, there are religious bad things truly done by Muslims. But 99.99% of so-called "Muslim" bad things are done by groups who were created, trained and are being supported by the Western governments and their puppets in the ME region as political tools.

Fact - we know of no Christian government demanding that violent Islamists kill Christians and Jews - on TV, on the internet etc.

Fact - Muslims come to the WEST for freedom - Christians do not go to the ME "seeking freedom".

Nobody "Escapes from America and FLEES to Syria, Iran, Iraq..."

All of the above is a fact known, like goes without saying, in the rest of the world

We meet Syrians, Iranians, all the time here - that talk about "fleeing" the intolerance the state-sponsored-intolerance of their home lands. What they find here is "freedom".

FACT - % of primary muslim nations in the world with well over 60% of population that chooses the death penalty for anyone converting from Islam to Christianity. Very high percent.

Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam

(this is the "little secret" no one was supposed to know - that instead of a tiny 10% or 1% - this number is huge)

from that article "The correct figures, based on the 2013 Pew Research Center report, are 88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion. "

BTW - where do the majority of Muslims live? How do Pakistan and Egypt fit into that distribution?

https://www.quora.com/Which-Muslim-majority-countries-are-the-most-democratic

Percentage of primarily Christian nations where over 50% of their population prefers death penalty for any Christian converting to Islam --- 0%.

Irrefutable.

Here again we see illustrated the point made in the OP about one's view of God and how that translates to one's own standards, ethics, morals etc.

 

[mcarmichael]

It is true that God is above us - infinitely above us. And those with a right concept of God will never equal Him... Yet there is the Psalms 50:21 text "you thought I was like you". Man tends to downsize God. Still that man is likely not to exceed even his downsizing of God -- and the more he downsizes God - as Psalms 50:21 points out - the more he thinks he can get by with a lower standard for himself.

I guess I see your point. I stumbled in, I hope I didn't interrupt anything.

 

[BobRyan]

I guess I see your point. I stumbled in, I hope I didn't interrupt anything.

NP -- all views welcomed

 

[BenjamintheWolf]

With regards to violence in the name of Islam, I think that's the enemy at work. Today as was done with the phillistines, Baal worshipers and even Israel, The enemy deceived powerful leaders of faith into committing atrocities against God and his creation.

There are those in this country today (US) who in the name of Jesus, stage protests at the funeral processions of our war veterens and proclaim that they're going to hell because they fought for our nations.

A pastor who spoke at my church recently took in a couple who converted from Islam because they noticed how Christians hugged and touched eachother in worship services. Something they never experienced while practicing their original faith.

There is no "moral" to be concieved of inside the fragile, impressionable human mind but only in the Infinite wisdom of God. Our morals are shown in obeying his commands and following his example.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Western governments may train and arm existing factions in there skeemes but the neo-Islamic fundamentalist movement is simply an attempted return to the Islam of the early Islamic crusades. Just like Jews today no longer practice the Laviticus laws, moderate Muslims no longer adhere to all of the Quran. ISIS has returned to the book.

Milestones (book) - Wikipedia

Very naive. Nobody returned anywhere. Remove the support, this Chymera will disappear in a second.

 

[buzuxi02]

All religions have certain tenets, just like all governments have certain laws, just like all societies have certain foods and dance and music. Morality in a certain place and time is the sum of all the above. It changes when something is disturbed whether positively or negatively. It can be a change in technology, reactions to foreign influences, new regime bringing in new taxes or tax incentives and regulations, etc. Nothing arises out of a vaccuum.

 

[Colter]

Very naive. Nobody returned anywhere. Remove the support, this Chymera will disappear in a second.

You need to study the rise of Islam and the various empires of the Islamic revolution(s).




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Scholars debate what exactly constitutes an empire. Generally, they may define an empire as a state that extends dominion over areas and populations distinct culturally and ethnically from the culture/ethnicity at the center of power.[citation needed]

This article lists some of the states, empires, or dynasties that were ruled by a Muslim elite, or which were in some way central to or a part of a Muslim empire. Many Muslim empires had strong influences on the visual arts, architecture, music and food.



Contents
[1 History

• 2 Caliphates

• 3 Regional empires
  • 3.1 Europe and Russia
  • 3.2 Middle East
  • 3.3 Central Asia
  • 3.4 Africa & Spain
  • 3.5 South Asia
  • 3.6 Southeast Asia

• 4 Sources

• 5 See also

History[edit]
In the centuries after the life of Muhammad, Muslim armies poured out into all surrounding areas, bringing the lands from India to Spain under their control. With this huge amount of land under their control, the Umayyad (and later, the Abbasid) Caliphates allowed merchants and scholars to travel easily through western Eurasia, bringing goods and knowledge which the Muslims greatly expanded upon through the Caliphate and outward to less advanced regions, such as Western Europe. In 751, papermaking from China made its way to the West through Muslims. Trade introduced Islam to the Africans. In the Middle East, the success of Islam meant that culture would be changed forever. Even after the decline of the Abassid Caliphate, Islam would remain as one of the base institutions of the region. Future states of the region, such as the Safavid, Seljuk, and Ottoman and Mughal Empires, were all "Islamic Empires".

Caliphates[edit]

Umayyad Empire at its greatest extent

• The Rashidun Caliphate (632-661) - Beginning of the Arab Empire
• The Umayyad Caliphate (661-750) - Successor of the Rashidun Caliphate
  • The Umayyad Caliphate of Cordoba in Islamic Spain (756-929-1031)
• The Abbasid Caliphate (750-1258) - Successor of the Umayyad Caliphate, Fall of Baghdad (1258) and the end of the Arab Empire
• The Fatimid Caliphate (909-1171)
• The Ayyubid dynasty (1171-1260)
• The Mamluk Caliphate (Bahri dynasty then succeeded by Burji dynasty) (1250–1517)
• The Ottoman Caliphate (1299 –1923)

Regional empires[edit]

Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha
Europe and Russia[edit]
Europe

• Umayyad Caliphate of Córdoba in Islamic Spain (929-1031)
• The Emirate of Bari (847-871)
• The Emirate of Sicily (965-1072)

Russia

• The Volga Bulgaria (922-1236)
• The Golden Horde (1251–1502)
• The Kazan Khanate (1438-1552)
• The Astrakhan Khanate (1466-1556)
• The Qasim Khanate (1452-1681)
• The Crimean Khanate (1441–1783)
• The Bashkirs

Middle East[edit]
Anatolia

• The Danishmends Dynasty (1071-1178)
• The Mengujekids Dynasty (1072-1277)
• The Saltukids Dynasty (1071-1202)
• The Artuqids Dynasty (1101-1409)
• The Seljuk Sultanate of Rûm (1077-1308)

• The Ottoman Empire (1299–1923)

• The Khwarezm-Shâh Dynasty
• The Tahirid dynasty
• The Khwarezmian Empire
• The Saffarid dynasty
• The Samanid Dynasty
• The Seljuk dynasty
• The Giray dynasty
• The Ilkhanate
• The Timurid dynasty
• The Ayyubid Dynasty
• The Ak Koyunlu
• The Kara Koyunlu
• The Persian Empire, under the Safavid dynasty (1502–1736), Afsharid dynasty, and Qajar dynasty
• The Muzaffarids
• The Shirvanshah
• The Ghurids
• The Ghaznavid Empire
• The Great Seljuq Empire
• The Buyid dynasty
• The Rassids of Yemen
• The Rasulid of Yemen
• The Tulunids

Central Asia[edit]

• The Chagatai Khanate

Harun al-Rashid

• The Siberia Khanate
• The State of Yarkand
• The Shaybanids

Africa & Spain[edit]
Excluding Egypt, which is considered part of Middle East

• The Mali Empire (1230s–1600s)
• The Songhai Empire (1340–1591)
• The Adal Sultanate (1415–1555)
• The Almoravid dynasty (1040–1147) of Morocco
• The Almohad dynasty (1121–1269) of Morocco
• The Ajuran Empire (13th century–17th-century)
• The Fulani Empire of Sokoto
• The Fulani or Fulbe Empire of Macina of Seku Amadu
• The Fulani or Fulbe Empire of El Hajj Oumar Tall
• The Fulani or Fulbe Empire of Boundou of Malick Daouda Sy
• The Kilwa Sultanate (10th century-1517)
• The Sultanate of Oman
• The Aghlabid dynasty of Ifriqiya Tunisia, East-Algeria, West-Libya and Sicily
• The Umayyad of Spain in North-Africa during war with the Fatimid's
• Taifa dynasties of Islamic Spain
• The Hafsid dynasty (1229–1574)
• The Alaouite dynasty of Morocco
• The Marinid dynasty of Morocco
• The Rustamid dynasty
• The Wattasid dynasty of Morocco
• The Saadi dynasty of Morocco (1511–1628)
• The Dervish State (1896–1920)

South Asia[edit]

Mezquita

• The Ali Raja
• The Sultanate of Mysore (1704–1799)
• The Delhi Sultanate in Northern India (1206–1526)
• The Bengal Sultanate in Bengal (1352-1576)
• The Mughal Empire in India (1526–1857)
• The Khilji Dynasty (1290–1320)
• The Lodhi Dynasty (1451–1526)
• The Mamluk dynasty of Delhi (1206–1290)
• The Durrani Empire (1747–1823)
• The Suri dynasty (1540–1556)
• The Asaf Jahi Dynasty (1720–1948)
• The Nawab of Awadh (1732–1856)
• The Bahmani Sultanate in Deccan (1347–1527)
• The Tughlaq dynasty (1321–1398)
• The Berar Sultanate in Deccan (1490–1572)

Taj Mahal

• The Bidar Sultanate in Deccan (1492–1619)
• The Ahmednagar Sultanate in Deccan (1490–1636)
• The Qutb Shahi dynasty in Deccan (1518–1687)
• The Bijapur Sultanate in Deccan (1490–1686)
• The Sayyid dynasty (1414–1451)
• The Sultanate of Bengal (1336–1576)
• The Sultanate of Jaunpur (1394–1479)
• The Gujarat Sultanate (1407–1573)
• The Malwa Sultanate (1401–1531)
• The Sultanate of Kashmir (1346–1586)
• The Soomro Dynasty (1026–1351)
• The Samma Dynasty (1335–1520)
• The Talpur dynasty (1783–1843)
• The Kalhora Dynasty (1701–1783)
• The Nawab of Carnatic (1690 till Date)

Southeast Asia[edit]

• The Bruneian Empire
• The Sultanate of Johor
• The Sultanate of Maguindanao
• The Sultanate of Kelantan
• The Sultanate of Terengganu
• The Sultanate of Perlis
• The Kedah Sultanate
• The Sultanate of Pahang
• The Sultanate of Perak
• The Sultanate of Negeri Sembilan
• The Sultanate of Selangor
• The Sulu Sultanate
• The Sultanate of Ngayogyakarta Hadiningrat
• The Aceh Sultanate
• The Sultanate of Deli
• The Sultanate of Siak Sri Indrapura
• The Sultanate of Riau
• The Sultanate of Indragiri
• The Sultanate of Jambi
• The Sultanate of Palembang Darussalam
• The Sultanate of Banten
• The Sultanate of Cirebon
• The Sultanate of Demak
• The Sultanate of Surakarta
• The Sultanate of Mataram
• The Sultanate of Pontianak
• The Sultanate of Banjarmasin
• The Sultanate of Kutai
• The Sultanate of Bulungan
• The Sultanate of Gowa
• The Sultanate of Ternate
• The Sultanate of Tidore
• The Sultanate of Bacan
• The Sultanate of Jailolo
• The Sultanate of Buton

Sources[edit]

1. History of the Muslims Empires of Islam [1]
2. All Empires History Forum (Archive)

See also[edit]

• Caliphate
• Historical powers
• Empires
• Timeline of Middle Eastern History
• Muslim conquests
• Muslim history
• Global Empire
• List of Sunni Muslim dynasties
• Muslim World
• The Ottomans: Europe's Muslim Emperors

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[DarthNeo]

Consider this -

Man will never achieve a morality or concept of ethics that is higher than his/her view of God.

Does that not explain to some extent the actions of violent Muslims?

In every case they affirm that their view of God affirms their actions and that he is just like them if not more so - in that regard

Thoughts?

Good post, I totally agree. I have asked biologist, chemist, and evolutionist, how do your beliefs explain morality or absolute morality?

 

[drayanna]

Consider this -

Man will never achieve a morality or concept of ethics that is higher than his/her view of God.

Does that not explain to some extent the actions of violent Muslims?

In every case they affirm that their view of God affirms their actions and that he is just like them if not more so - in that regard

Thoughts?

Since Muslim and Jewish are closely related yet one believes as Moses written only and other of a prophet (in there estimation or understanding) they believe and worship more than Jesus yet believe Jesus was just a prophet too no matter that Jesus proclaimed to be the Messiah.
With these facts as they both (Jewish and Muslim) view God yet do not recognize or understand The Word. It is sad on both parts. There view of God does show what God is doing in these two fields. Jewish faith still waiting for Messiah to defeat the enemy and Muslim faith still proclaiming peace if only you believe muhammad as a prophet and yet muhammad never brought peace. Yet The Word wish is the great sword was brought by Jesus Christ for He said He did not come to bring peace but a sword. Unlike the Muslim faith this sword means only by spirit will it divide family's. As Christians are to separate spiritually from false beliefs yet shine a light and not kill. The Jews separate and don't care to spread their beliefs for in their mind no one but those born of a Jewish mother are saved or loved by God. Muslim believe to spread their beliefs but if you don't except their own understanding of their false prophet then you deserve to die.
Christians have a problem too though....
75 percent claim to be Christian in USA (census done 10 years ago) but to be a Christian as the disciples were you must believe Jesus Christ has come in the Flesh and has died for your sins as the ONLY way to be saved by the blood of the lamb. But only 23 percent of these Christians believe as Jesus being the only way. This means when Jesus said not all who says Lord knows Him. It means we have a huge problem in our own faith too as those who claim Christianity yet are not. As those Jews in revaluation that claim to be Jews but are not.
If I made any sense here my point is that yes it is who you think God is that makes a difference. And what you think God is capable of.

I think God is called The Great I Am and Our Heavenly Father and The Alpha and Omega and the Son of God and as well known as the Lamb of God as well as part the Comforter The Holy Spirit The Holy Ghost. This is what I trust in and believe in alone.
His capabilities are endless His love beyond me His mercy amazing His power stronger than anything we can comprehend.

even though all don't believe this, it doesn't change the outcome. If your religion says to kill or steal or someone is not worthy of forgiveness when they ask for mercy then they know only the one that lies and deceives.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

You need to study the rise of Islam and the various empires of the Islamic revolution(s).




navigation, search
Scholars debate what exactly constitutes an empire. Generally, they may define an empire as a state that extends dominion over areas and populations distinct culturally and ethnically from the culture/ethnicity at the center of power.[citation needed]

This article lists some of the states, empires, or dynasties that were ruled by a Muslim elite, or which were in some way central to or a part of a Muslim empire. Many Muslim empires had strong influences on the visual arts, architecture, music and food.



Contents
[1 History

• 2 Caliphates

• 3 Regional empires
  • 3.1 Europe and Russia
  • 3.2 Middle East
  • 3.3 Central Asia
  • 3.4 Africa & Spain
  • 3.5 South Asia
  • 3.6 Southeast Asia

• 4 Sources

• 5 See also

History[edit]
In the centuries after the life of Muhammad, Muslim armies poured out into all surrounding areas, bringing the lands from India to Spain under their control. With this huge amount of land under their control, the Umayyad (and later, the Abbasid) Caliphates allowed merchants and scholars to travel easily through western Eurasia, bringing goods and knowledge which the Muslims greatly expanded upon through the Caliphate and outward to less advanced regions, such as Western Europe. In 751, papermaking from China made its way to the West through Muslims. Trade introduced Islam to the Africans. In the Middle East, the success of Islam meant that culture would be changed forever. Even after the decline of the Abassid Caliphate, Islam would remain as one of the base institutions of the region. Future states of the region, such as the Safavid, Seljuk, and Ottoman and Mughal Empires, were all "Islamic Empires".

Caliphates[edit]

Umayyad Empire at its greatest extent

• The Rashidun Caliphate (632-661) - Beginning of the Arab Empire
• The Umayyad Caliphate (661-750) - Successor of the Rashidun Caliphate
  • The Umayyad Caliphate of Cordoba in Islamic Spain (756-929-1031)
• The Abbasid Caliphate (750-1258) - Successor of the Umayyad Caliphate, Fall of Baghdad (1258) and the end of the Arab Empire
• The Fatimid Caliphate (909-1171)
• The Ayyubid dynasty (1171-1260)
• The Mamluk Caliphate (Bahri dynasty then succeeded by Burji dynasty) (1250–1517)
• The Ottoman Caliphate (1299 –1923)

Regional empires[edit]

Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha
Europe and Russia[edit]
Europe

• Umayyad Caliphate of Córdoba in Islamic Spain (929-1031)
• The Emirate of Bari (847-871)
• The Emirate of Sicily (965-1072)

Russia

• The Volga Bulgaria (922-1236)
• The Golden Horde (1251–1502)
• The Kazan Khanate (1438-1552)
• The Astrakhan Khanate (1466-1556)
• The Qasim Khanate (1452-1681)
• The Crimean Khanate (1441–1783)
• The Bashkirs

Middle East[edit]
Anatolia

• The Danishmends Dynasty (1071-1178)
• The Mengujekids Dynasty (1072-1277)
• The Saltukids Dynasty (1071-1202)
• The Artuqids Dynasty (1101-1409)
• The Seljuk Sultanate of Rûm (1077-1308)

• The Ottoman Empire (1299–1923)

• The Khwarezm-Shâh Dynasty
• The Tahirid dynasty
• The Khwarezmian Empire
• The Saffarid dynasty
• The Samanid Dynasty
• The Seljuk dynasty
• The Giray dynasty
• The Ilkhanate
• The Timurid dynasty
• The Ayyubid Dynasty
• The Ak Koyunlu
• The Kara Koyunlu
• The Persian Empire, under the Safavid dynasty (1502–1736), Afsharid dynasty, and Qajar dynasty
• The Muzaffarids
• The Shirvanshah
• The Ghurids
• The Ghaznavid Empire
• The Great Seljuq Empire
• The Buyid dynasty
• The Rassids of Yemen
• The Rasulid of Yemen
• The Tulunids

Central Asia[edit]

• The Chagatai Khanate

Harun al-Rashid

• The Siberia Khanate
• The State of Yarkand
• The Shaybanids

Africa & Spain[edit]
Excluding Egypt, which is considered part of Middle East

• The Mali Empire (1230s–1600s)
• The Songhai Empire (1340–1591)
• The Adal Sultanate (1415–1555)
• The Almoravid dynasty (1040–1147) of Morocco
• The Almohad dynasty (1121–1269) of Morocco
• The Ajuran Empire (13th century–17th-century)
• The Fulani Empire of Sokoto
• The Fulani or Fulbe Empire of Macina of Seku Amadu
• The Fulani or Fulbe Empire of El Hajj Oumar Tall
• The Fulani or Fulbe Empire of Boundou of Malick Daouda Sy
• The Kilwa Sultanate (10th century-1517)
• The Sultanate of Oman
• The Aghlabid dynasty of Ifriqiya Tunisia, East-Algeria, West-Libya and Sicily
• The Umayyad of Spain in North-Africa during war with the Fatimid's
• Taifa dynasties of Islamic Spain
• The Hafsid dynasty (1229–1574)
• The Alaouite dynasty of Morocco
• The Marinid dynasty of Morocco
• The Rustamid dynasty
• The Wattasid dynasty of Morocco
• The Saadi dynasty of Morocco (1511–1628)
• The Dervish State (1896–1920)

South Asia[edit]

Mezquita

• The Ali Raja
• The Sultanate of Mysore (1704–1799)
• The Delhi Sultanate in Northern India (1206–1526)
• The Bengal Sultanate in Bengal (1352-1576)
• The Mughal Empire in India (1526–1857)
• The Khilji Dynasty (1290–1320)
• The Lodhi Dynasty (1451–1526)
• The Mamluk dynasty of Delhi (1206–1290)
• The Durrani Empire (1747–1823)
• The Suri dynasty (1540–1556)
• The Asaf Jahi Dynasty (1720–1948)
• The Nawab of Awadh (1732–1856)
• The Bahmani Sultanate in Deccan (1347–1527)
• The Tughlaq dynasty (1321–1398)
• The Berar Sultanate in Deccan (1490–1572)

Taj Mahal

• The Bidar Sultanate in Deccan (1492–1619)
• The Ahmednagar Sultanate in Deccan (1490–1636)
• The Qutb Shahi dynasty in Deccan (1518–1687)
• The Bijapur Sultanate in Deccan (1490–1686)
• The Sayyid dynasty (1414–1451)
• The Sultanate of Bengal (1336–1576)
• The Sultanate of Jaunpur (1394–1479)
• The Gujarat Sultanate (1407–1573)
• The Malwa Sultanate (1401–1531)
• The Sultanate of Kashmir (1346–1586)
• The Soomro Dynasty (1026–1351)
• The Samma Dynasty (1335–1520)
• The Talpur dynasty (1783–1843)
• The Kalhora Dynasty (1701–1783)
• The Nawab of Carnatic (1690 till Date)

Southeast Asia[edit]

• The Bruneian Empire
• The Sultanate of Johor
• The Sultanate of Maguindanao
• The Sultanate of Kelantan
• The Sultanate of Terengganu
• The Sultanate of Perlis
• The Kedah Sultanate
• The Sultanate of Pahang
• The Sultanate of Perak
• The Sultanate of Negeri Sembilan
• The Sultanate of Selangor
• The Sulu Sultanate
• The Sultanate of Ngayogyakarta Hadiningrat
• The Aceh Sultanate
• The Sultanate of Deli
• The Sultanate of Siak Sri Indrapura
• The Sultanate of Riau
• The Sultanate of Indragiri
• The Sultanate of Jambi
• The Sultanate of Palembang Darussalam
• The Sultanate of Banten
• The Sultanate of Cirebon
• The Sultanate of Demak
• The Sultanate of Surakarta
• The Sultanate of Mataram
• The Sultanate of Pontianak
• The Sultanate of Banjarmasin
• The Sultanate of Kutai
• The Sultanate of Bulungan
• The Sultanate of Gowa
• The Sultanate of Ternate
• The Sultanate of Tidore
• The Sultanate of Bacan
• The Sultanate of Jailolo
• The Sultanate of Buton

Sources[edit]

1. History of the Muslims Empires of Islam [1]
2. All Empires History Forum (Archive)

See also[edit]

• Caliphate
• Historical powers
• Empires
• Timeline of Middle Eastern History
• Muslim conquests
• Muslim history
• Global Empire
• List of Sunni Muslim dynasties
• Muslim World
• The Ottomans: Europe's Muslim Emperors

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Brother, there is truth and there is lie. If you have an honest mind, you should realize that. Again, I will repeat, the groups that are so advertised by the West today, have been created, trained and supported BY THEM for their own interests of domination, merely as a tool. I am not talking as somebody who reads Wikipidea about it. I am somebody who sees it every day with his own eyes.

If you choose to believe lies and to be scared of a boogie man created by your government and forces behind them to keep you in check, it's your choice - fill your boots.

But God loves truth, gotta remember that!

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

For example? Cutting peoples throats filming it - spreading that around in the internet shouting "God is great" with each murdered victim?

Is it your argument that this is not what violent Muslims are known for today - rather it is what Christians are known for.

Really??



Fact - we know of no Christian government demanding that violent Islamists kill Christians and Jews - on TV, on the internet etc.

Fact - Muslims come to the WEST for freedom - Christians do not go to the ME "seeking freedom".

Nobody "Escapes from America and FLEES to Syria, Iran, Iraq..."

All of the above is a fact known, like goes without saying, in the rest of the world

We meet Syrians, Iranians, all the time here - that talk about "fleeing" the intolerance the state-sponsored-intolerance of their home lands. What they find here is "freedom".

FACT - % of primary muslim nations in the world with well over 60% of population that chooses the death penalty for anyone converting from Islam to Christianity. Very high percent.

Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam

(this is the "little secret" no one was supposed to know - that instead of a tiny 10% or 1% - this number is huge)

from that article "The correct figures, based on the 2013 Pew Research Center report, are 88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion. "

BTW - where do the majority of Muslims live? How do Pakistan and Egypt fit into that distribution?

https://www.quora.com/Which-Muslim-majority-countries-are-the-most-democratic

Percentage of primarily Christian nations where over 50% of their population prefers death penalty for any Christian converting to Islam --- 0%.

Irrefutable.

Here again we see illustrated the point made in the OP about one's view of God and how that translates to one's own standards, ethics, morals etc.

The picture of "Islam" created by your media is a lie. The 99.99% of bad "Islamic" stuff has been paid from your pocket.

The only true bullies, who have been murdering millions throughout history and until today, who incited all wars and all exploitation only seeking the god of MONEY are Christian nations. It's a fact. They are violent and hateful and racist and greedy. Deeds speak much louder than words. When you bring "freedom and democracy and human rights" somewhere, in reality you bring "rivers of blood and death followed by plunder".

Of course, true Christianity and true Christ is not with the Christian nations...

 

[Buggins]

Consider this -

Man will never achieve a morality or concept of ethics that is higher than his/her view of God.

Does that not explain to some extent the actions of violent Muslims?

In every case they affirm that their view of God affirms their actions and that he is just like them if not more so - in that regard

Thoughts?

You've hit the nail on the head. You can believe in a god who because he is god can be what ever he wants to be. If he wants to be merciful he will be merciful. If he wants to be vindictive, no matter how devout you have been, he can be vindictive. Because he is god, he can be who he wants to be, and treat you as he wants to, and he doesn't have to explain or justify his actions to anyone.
Because he is god.
We believe in a God who is justice, who is holy, who is righteous, who is loving and compassionate, and invites us to reason together with Him.
Our God underwrites all moral values because He is those things. We know what love is because He is love. We know what holiness is because He is holiness.

 

[drayanna]

The picture of "Islam" created by your media is a lie. The 99.99% of bad "Islamic" stuff has been paid from your pocket.

The only true bullies, who have been murdering millions throughout history and until today, who incited all wars and all exploitation only seeking the god of MONEY are Christian nations. It's a fact. They are violent and hateful and racist and greedy. Deeds speak much louder than words. When you bring "freedom and democracy and human rights" somewhere, in reality you bring "rivers of blood and death followed by plunder".

Of course, true Christianity and true Christ is not with the Christian nations...

I don't think you understand history. All men and all nations no matter their claim of religion have fallen. There will be only one kingdom to last forever and that Kingdom is the last Kingdom written in Revelation.
But man has tried to build kingdoms based on The Heavenly Father. King David's kingdom most noticeably to be strong with God's might with him. But fallible when King David turned towards sin.
I had some very rude wake up calls about American history however it was no denying the intent of the first pilgrimage here to the Americas was by those who believed in Jesus Christ and the Words of the Bible. Not catholic faith but of the Blood of the Lamb and Jesus Christ as their savior. Their ability to ask Jesus personally to save them from there sins. This was the beginning of a culture. They also because they were persecuted for believing this believed you had a choice in choosing Christianity but the fore father's did make laws based on the Word of God. That no other kingdom lasted as long as one putting God's laws in action.
You can disagree and even Americans are taught different today in schools of the beginning but the truth was that if you did not believe in God you could not serve as a leader. All the beginning presidents were Christian bible reading and believers in Jesus Christ. Our first schools were started in churches by Christian people. And our curriculum for 150 years was based off reading the Bible. In the time this country held these laws as in God we trust no matter how many diverse people came we were blessed and always through all odds became stronger than the countries are ancestors came from. One problem though we allowed sin to take away our foundation. America did many things wrong but it wasn't the laws of God that was wrong it was man's doing that destroyed this country.

This alone is what is continually destroying this country. The Islam faith was not what America was created on nor even understood up until 30 years ago. We were still in shock that China couldn't have more than one child. But if we ever heard of Islam it was maybe through a missionary. Not until the expansion of knowledge and countries being able to go to and fro and speak via Internet did the majority of Americans start to understand other countries hated us. Called us the great satin
It was at this time we began to have courthouses take down the ten commandments etc...
Christians didn't want that... Christians fought that....
You are wrong.... when American Christians were overcome by non-believers and other beliefs became more important than God's law did this country fall.

But one big difference in Islam and Christian beliefs is that if someone kills some one in the name of God for their beliefs they are immediately known as a false Christian not supported by any Christian and a Christian will apologize. But Islam someone who kills in the name of God the Islam community says nothing or they will have some that cheer. To a Christian there is a cost to kill someone. To a Islamist their is no cost to kill one that was a infidel. Peace is what Jesus Christ tells us to be careful about for His words do not bring peace yet He is peaceful. So the one who claims peace is the one who we are weary of. The fact this is spoken often that Islam is peace yet the countries built on Islam says kill the great satin (america) (Iran leader says this often as Muslim aka Islam) tells me peace is not Islam and peace will only be found in the last Kingdom written of in Revelation.