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So why is he afraid of "rival gangs?"
Abrego Garcia was born and raised in Los Nogales, El Salvador. His family owned a small and successful pupuseria For years, they were subject to extortion and threats of death by one of El Salvador’s most notorious gangs, Barrio 18. The gang used Abrego Garcia as a pawn in its extortion, demanding that his mother give Abrego Garcia over to the gang or he and others in their family would be killed. Attempting to escape the gang’s reach, the family moved three times without success. To protect Abrego Garcia, they ultimately sent him to the United States to live with his older brother, a U.S. citizen, in Maryland.

 
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If President Trump claims that he is powerful enough to influence Hamas's release of hostages, it is likely that he can negotiate with the El Salvadorian government. After all President Trump authored "Art of the Deal."
Trump's negotiation tactic with Hamas was release the hostages or we will bomb you to oblivion. How do you think that will play out with El Salvador? I mean, Trump could use more practical measures and likely succeed in the process, but I don't think either president is particularly interested.
 
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Have you tried to say "please"?

Oh, oh, or another idea - what about doing the same exact chain of actions that got him there, but backwards?
Okay. Trump says, "pretty please with a cherry on top," but El Salvador rejects the request. What is plan B?
 
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The president is not going to jump every time some liberal says a gang member in a foreign prison is innocent. There are many violent criminals and terrorists let in by Joe Biden that need to be apprehended, and perhaps hundreds of thousands of trafficked women and children who need to be found and freed. President Trump has not objected to Democrat senators traveling to El Salvador and trying to refute the evidence held by the government in El Salvador.

You are right, President Trump does not have to accommodate some Democrat or liberal wishes. However, he must comply with Supreme Court OF the US rulings.
 
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Trump's negotiation tactic with Hamas was release the hostages or we will bomb you to oblivion. How do you think that will play out with El Salvador? I mean, Trump could use more practical measures and likely succeed in the process, but I don't think either president is particularly interested.

I see. The author of "Art of the Deal" struggles to negotiate the return of one person from El Salvador.

President Xi Jinping likely observes the weakness of POTUS. This explains why China has an advantage over President Trump on tariffs. If Trump struggles to negotiate with El Salvador, how will he manage trade deals with the European Union?

Supporters often praise President Trump as a great negotiator who protects America's trade policies. However, even they believe he is too weak to bring back one person from a poor country like El Salvador.
 
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You are most likely right.

If the government of El Salvador sends him back, the Trump administration may charge him with a crime, he could be found guilty and returned to El Salvador. This procedure is known as due process.

Statement of SOTOMAYOR, J.
To this day, the Government has cited no basis in law for Abrego Garcia’s warrantless arrest, his removal to El Salvador, or his confinement in a Salvadoran prison. Nor could it. The Government remains bound by an Immigration Judge’s 2019 order expressly prohibiting Abrego Garcia’s removal to El Salvador because he faced a “clear probability of future persecution” there and “demonstrated that [El Salvador’s] authorities were and would be unable or unwilling to protect him.” App. to Application To Vacate Injunction 13a. The Government has not challenged the validity of that order."


The government would first have to challenge the 2019 order as noted above by Justice Sotomayor.
 
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The author of "Art of the Deal" struggles to negotiate the return of one person from El Salvador.
I don't think Trump is interested in making a deal. All he has to do is convince a judge that he made an attempt and blame El Salvador refusing. I wouldn't be surprised if they both made a private agreement that their wouldn't be a deal, just the appearance of an attempt.Trump is not struggling to make a deal because he doesn't want to make a deal.
 
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KRNV Video: Karoline Leavitt comments on Arbrego Garcia and victims of MS-13:

So well said.

*Spits on the ground*


-CryptoLutheran
 
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I don't think Trump is interested in making a deal.
I agree.
All he has to do is convince a judge that he made an attempt and blame El Salvador refusing.
Yep.
I wouldn't be surprised if they both made a private agreement that their wouldn't be a deal, just the appearance of an attempt.
I wouldn't be surprised at that either. What does surprise me is that that doesn't appear to be what's happening. He's making no effort to convince the judge that he's attempting to facilitate Garcia's return, and Bukele has done nothing to suggest that he is either. It's honestly mystifying - it would be incredibly easy for the administration to put on the appearance of making a token effort, but they're not even bothering to pretend that they're trying to comply. Instead, they're flaunting the fact that they're violating the Court's order.
 
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I don't think Trump is interested in making a deal. All he has to do is convince a judge that he made an attempt and blame El Salvador refusing. I wouldn't be surprised if they both made a private agreement that their wouldn't be a deal, just the appearance of an attempt.Trump is not struggling to make a deal because he doesn't want to make a deal.

Even you agree that President Trump is not interested in complying with court rulings. Good to know.
 
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Have you tried to say "please"?

Oh, oh, or another idea - what about doing the same exact chain of actions that got him there, but backwards?
Perhaps he could run for president.
 
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The president is not going to jump

I don't think this one can, at all.

Fall over, soil his pants, and then declare it was the greatest pants-soiling of all time and then send people to a gulag who say he smells and should clean himself--that he can do. But jump? Unlikely.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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This guy had his says in court and was absolutely deportable. His previous hearings were his due process into deportability. He was found to be an MS13 member by TWO separate courts. Some will say the evidence was weak, but it's irrelevant. It's what was found to be true. The ONLY mistake the government made was sending him home. The courts did state he couldn't go to El Salvador.

So the courts decided:
1. He was an MS13 member.
2. He was here illegally and was deportable.
3. He was denied asylum.
4. He couldn't be deported to El Salvedor.
5. He should have received a hearing before being sent to El Salvador.
6. The admistration must facilitate his return. They were NOT required to force El Salvador to return him.

If you ask me this guy should have been deported a LONG time ago. He was arrested and released. The gang he was worried about is no longer in existence in El Salvador. We didn't have to send him back there. He could have been deported anywhere that would take him.
 
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This guy had his says in court and was absolutely deportable. His previous hearings were his due process into deportability. He was found to be an MS13 member by TWO separate courts.

That is not true.

Some will say the evidence was weak, but it's irrelevant.
It is relevant.
If I claim you are a member of MS-13, I better have strong evidence.

It's what was found to be true. The ONLY mistake the government made was sending him home. The courts did state he couldn't go to El Salvador.

So the courts decided:
1. He was an MS13 member.
Nope.
2. He was here illegally and was deportable.
Yes. And under a 2019 standing order not to be sent to El Salvador.
 
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So well said however, all lies.
Lie # 1: " He is an MS13 gang member.
Truth: Garcia has never lived in NY, where an unsubstantiated claim was made that he was a member there. He has no criminal record in the US or El Salvador.
Lie # 2: " He is an illegal alien"
Truth: He was granted withholding of removal to El Salvador. Withholding of removal is a legal status that protects an individual from being deported to a specific country where they face a likelihood of persecution.
Lie#3:" He was hiding from immigration"
Truth: He was living in Maryland with his wife and children, who are all U.S. citizens.
He was reporting to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) annually. He was an apprentice steel worker in plain sight.
Let us reason please.
The truth is he WAS found by two courts that he was an MS13 member.

Truth #2. He was found by two courts to be an illegal alien

Truth #3. The courts ruled he could not be sent back to El Salvador. That did not make him a legal resident. He could have still been deported somewhere else.

Truth #4. I've seen no evidence that he was hiding.

Don't believe everything you hear from the main stream news.

The fact is he SHOULD have had a hearing before being sent to El Salvador. That absolutely is true. They made a mistake. The gang he was afraid of apparently is no longer in El Salvador. So there was a chance he would have been sent there anyway, but we will never know.
 
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The truth is he WAS found by two courts that he was an MS13 member.

Truth #2. He was found by two courts to be an illegal alien

Truth #3. The courts ruled he could not be sent back to El Salvador. That did not make him a legal resident. He could have still been deported somewhere else.

Truth #4. I've seen no evidence that he was hiding.

Don't believe everything you hear from the main stream news.

The fact is he SHOULD have had a hearing before being sent to El Salvador. That absolutely is true. They made a mistake. The gang he was afraid of apparently is no longer in El Salvador. So there was a chance he would have been sent there anyway, but we will never know.

This is what the current DOJ wrote in a court filing


“Although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error,” the Justice Department wrote in the court filing.

It appears that the current DOJ believes Garcia is not subject to deportation under the law.
 
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