Venerate

[SeraphimSarov]

(18) No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Exactly the point I was making. I'm failing to see why the difference here.

 

[Epiphanygirl]

More than just "Catholic"



Ever prayed for someone? Ever asked someone to pray for you? That's intercession.



Ever prayed for someone? Ever asked someone to pray for you? That's mediation.

As for co-redeemer, there is no formal doctrine or dogma in the Vatican Catholic Church. In addition, while that language is used, it doesn't mean what you are erronously implying it does.



That is not what they believe. If you've been told that by your pastor, you've been lied to.



She was a virgin forever. They believed that in the 1st century.

As for not dying, actually, they believe she ascended, but whether she was alive when she did or whether it was immediately upon her death is up to personal belief.



Sorry, but that is not what they teach.

I actually am versed in what Vatican Catholicism teaches and doesn't. I disagree with them, as Epiphanygirl here will tell you, but I disagree based on knowing the facts of what they believe, teach, and practice, not some fantasy. You owe them that much respect at least.

That is why I get along with many the VCs here on CF, particularly Epiphanygirl. We disagree, but we do so respectfully and knowledgefully.

I would hope that you would actually stop and learn first before you continue. As you admitted, you were wrong about St. Mary being the Mother of God. Is it then possible that you could have been wrong then about other things?

Thank you!
I can respectfully disagree with those who speak truthfully.......I admit, its hard not to get miffed at those who spout untruths over and over again even when you point out the truth to them, they refuse to believe it.....scales on the eyes I tell ya!!

 

[livingword26]

The HS concieved Jesus in Mary's womb. Jesus's divinity was a product of the HS and Jesus humanity was a product of Mary. Mary then carried Jesus both divine and human until birth. Mary gave birth to both. However, Mary was JUST a human who could not have given Jesus his divinity. How can a sinful person give divinity to God?

This is the truth of the matter.

 

[SeraphimSarov]

We're running around in circles here... I've said what I wanted to say and have overstepped my boundaries once, Lord have mercy. I'll let the others carry on; I'm going to bed.

God bless you all.

 

[PaladinValer]

The HS concieved Jesus in Mary's womb. Jesus's divinity was a product of the HS and Jesus humanity was a product of Mary. Mary then carried Jesus both divine and human until birth. Mary gave birth to both. However, Mary was JUST a human who could not have given Jesus his divinity. How can a sinful person give divinity to God?

Do you honestly think that Apostolic Christianity teaches that St. Mary gave Jesus His Divinity?

Wow...

Nestorians said that Mary gave birth to ONLY the human nature of Christ. That is a far cry from what I am saying.

Your words do say that when you deny that she is the Mother of God.

It amazes me that just because someone does not agree with you, that you put them in some subgroup or label them something. That is just pathetic.

No, it is pure, simple, rational logic.

Get this straight, I do not agree with you and think that your view is unbiblical. Lets see, what subgroup do I put that in?

Nestorianism is what you say, even though you state otherwise.

 

[livingword26]

God bless you all.

God bless you as well.

 

[Epiphanygirl]

The HS concieved Jesus in Mary's womb. Jesus's divinity was a product of the HS and Jesus humanity was a product of Mary. Mary then carried Jesus both divine and human until birth. Mary gave birth to both. However, Mary was JUST a human who could not have given Jesus his divinity. How can a sinful person give divinity to God?
Nestorians said that Mary gave birth to ONLY the human nature of Christ. That is a far cry from what I am saying. It amazes me that just because someone does not agree with you, that you put them in some subgroup or label them something. That is just pathetic.
Get this straight, I do not agree with you and think that your view is unbiblical. Lets see, what subgroup do I put that in?

But she wasn't sinful, she was full of grace
Riddle me this batman..........did your mother give you your soul or did God? She's still your mom right?

 

[Epiphanygirl]

We're running around in circles here... I've said what I wanted to say and have overstepped my boundaries once, Lord have mercy. I'll let the others carry on; I'm going to bed.

God bless you all.

Sleep well........I think I'll go read myself......Just got the Catholic Register newspaper today.....

 

[Hentenza]

No, I am not. If that's the only response you can conjure up, I wonder if you've got any arguments left to stand on at all...





Your question has been answered a number of times, a number of ways. I am not going to repeat myself just because you refuse to contribute anything else to this discussion.

And would I be talking about the Nicene Creed if I didn't know it? I know it by heart. I say the Nicene Creed nearly every day. And it seems to me that you have to affirm the Nicene Creed to even be considered a Christian for the purposes of this forum. Why are you insulting me?

So, where in the Nicene Creed doed it say that in order to be a christian you have to venerate Mary or that Mary GAVE Jesus his divinity? Why are you questioning my christianity because I don't agree with your unbiblical views?
And, where did I insult you?

 

[livingword26]

But she wasn't sinful, she was full of grace

"Grace"

G5487
χαριτόω
charitoō
Thayer Definition:
1) to make graceful
1a) charming, lovely, agreeable
2) to peruse with grace, compass with favour
3) to honour with blessings
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G5485
Citing in TDNT: 9:372, 1298

G5487
χαριτόω
charitoō
khar-ee-to'-o
From G5485; to grace, that is, indue with special honor: - make accepted, be highly favoured.

Says nothing about being sin free.

Rom 3:23
(23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

 

[Hentenza]

But she wasn't sinful, she was full of grace
Riddle me this batman..........did your mother give you your soul or did God? She's still your mom right?

God gave me my soul, my momma just loved me.
.

 

[Hentenza]

Do you honestly think that Apostolic Christianity teaches that St. Mary gave Jesus His Divinity?

Wow...

Really, duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your words do say that when you deny that she is the Mother of God.

Your opinion. Mary is NOT the literal mother of God. You believe what you want.

Nestorianism is what you say, even though you state otherwise.

Your label. Unbiblical is what you say, even though you state otherwise.

 

[PaladinValer]

Rom 3:23
(23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

That includes Jesus too, right? He's part of all, because He is 100% human, don't forget.

All therefore doesn't mean a literal all. It is a hyperbole: Jesus and His Mother are exceptions.

 

[CathNancy]

Genesis Chapter 3:15
I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel."

Who is the woman that God is referring to when He says that He will put enmity between Satan and the woman? It can't be Eve, because she sinned, there can be no enmity between Satan and Eve.

Peace,
Nancy

 

[Hentenza]

That includes Jesus too, right? He's part of all, because He is 100% human, don't forget.

All therefore doesn't mean a literal all. It is a hyperbole: Jesus and His Mother are exceptions.

No, just Jesus.

 

[PaladinValer]

No, Him and His Mother.

Where does it specifically say she ever sinned?

 

[PaladinValer]

Your opinion. Mary is NOT the literal mother of God. You believe what you want.

Then Jesus is a false messiah.

Your label.[/quote]

The label of the Holy Spirit.

 

[livingword26]

That includes Jesus too, right? He's part of all, because He is 100% human, don't forget.

All therefore doesn't mean a literal all. It is a hyperbole: Jesus and His Mother are exceptions.

Actually there is only one exception,

Heb 4:15
(15) For we have not a high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

 

[livingword26]

No, Him and His Mother.

Where does it specifically say she ever sinned?

Rom 3:23
(23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

 

[livingword26]

Bump

Ever prayed for someone? Ever asked someone to pray for you? That's mediation.

1Ti 2:5
(5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

As for co-redeemer, there is no formal doctrine or dogma in the Vatican Catholic Church. In addition, while that language is used, it doesn't mean what you are erronously implying it does.

I have many times on this thread something doesn't mean what I believe it does, but with no explanation of what it means. Care to enlighten me on what a Co-redeemer is?