Veggies may not be that good for you

timewerx said:

My great grandmother who is a vegetarian from birth....The toxins killed her at the age of 95.

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I know of people drinking alcohol and heavy smokers, who lived to 100. So what.

FireDragon76 said:

This is a strange argument. Many of those plowed fields, at least in the US, are being used to grow livestock feed, not food for human consumption.

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In that case let us make those fields meadows and pastures for livestock to be fed naturally, instead of growing corn, soy beans and other nonsense there, destroying the land and ecosystems, making them basically dead and depleted because of these monocultures.
The natural food of cow is grass anyway, not corn, soy or grains.

FireDragon76 said:

The majority of those calories are lost as body heat from the livestock; they never become meat or milk. That means more crops must be grown to feed the livestock, resulting in even more animal deaths, not less, when more meat and dairy is consumed, vs. plant foods.

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I do not understand this argument. Cows eat grass on pastures and, in the other end, make the land fertile with the waste. Its a natural cycle.

It takes about 1.5 acre of land to feed a cow for a year. Such a cow can then feed a man for 1-2 years.

I do not know what is producing more heat, if a cow or all the activities needed for a field, but these calculations will be wildly guessed and dependent on many local conditions, IMO. And it cannot stand alone, if farming is destroying the ecosystem and poisoning air and waters and if its unhealthy diet for humans, then it does not matter if it produces less heat.

In any case, one of the problems is overpopulation of Earth. There are too many people and those people consume too many things because of the consumer society and move from place to place too much.

timewerx said:

She also did it with zero access to modern medicine and she did smoked home-made cigar regularly.

Do you know that scientists love to do studies on biologically exceptional individuals.

To find out what makes them unique. Learn how it can benefit everybody else. So what?

The only thing unique about her is she's the only one in our family who is a vegetarian who ate home-grown, organic, GMO-free vegetables.

My uncle's father is also 95 years old. Omnivore but still do bicycle rides the same distance as I do. What's unique about him is the lifelong lifestyle of very long cardio activities. He used to be a professional cyclist. Also used to be poor and no access to modern medicine most of his life.

Only one in the family who does long bike rides and now I'm doing it as well. Major positive changes in my body.

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So, do you argue also for regular smoking and zero access to modern medicine? Because some vegans did not smoke and did not live to 95. So smoking is one of the differences.

If not, I do not see any relevance in your associative examples.

FireDragon76 said:

On average, those eating a plant-based diet tend to have more favorable biomarkers for lower risks of major disease, even accounting for smoking.

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When smoking, alcohol, junk food and similar things are accounted for, there is no better health in plant-based diets. Actually the opposite is true.

timewerx said:

Feel free to report my post if you think I'm recommending people to smoke or even implying that smoking is good.

You seem to assume the worst out of my posts, yet you're not reporting any of them.

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It was a demonstration of your wrong logic, for you to realize that, your posts where you argue using your family members and deliberately point out specific things you favor as the reasons, are not useful.

Those are just your guesses, its not a controlled trial. I prefer what I found out while experimenting with my own diet and health, before your examples that work neither for me nor for many other people.