• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
  • We hope the site problems here are now solved, however, if you still have any issues, please start a ticket in Contact Us

Vegetarianism

angelnstix

Believer
Jun 9, 2004
934
83
Colorado
✟1,519.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
It's all simply a matter of opinion. My opinion is if I do not have meat in at least one of my 2-3 meals a day I don't feel good at all. I was raised on meat and love every kind. I love veggies, some fruits and lots of other foods. I am healthy and happy and that is all that matters. To each his own.

Vedicklings the site you mentioned is against all I believe in, we are beef producers. But like I said to each his own. I did not download the video, I have dial up and I am guessing it's not much different than the old fashioned way of putting a bullet in the head and butchering, but PETA goes all out and can be extreme if you ask me. That is my opinion.

I guess it's what a persons taste preferences are, if you are satisfied with a vegetarian diet can do for your body and well being then great, if you are like me and feel your body needs meats to survive than that's great too! In our profession however the more meat people eat the better we make our living. So of course I am going to promote beef and all the other meats. ;)
 
Upvote 0

jameseb

Smite me, O Mighty Smiter!
Mar 3, 2004
14,869
2,022
North Little Rock, AR
✟136,819.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
RMB62 said:
I just got done reading the entire thread. I cannot understand why some on this thread feel the need to make the remarks they do. If you do not agree, then present your case with respect to the other persons point of view. Each side has those that are going to maintain their choice no matter what evidence is presented. Read, post your side, but do it politely. At times this thread sounds like an argument one would hear on an elementary school playground.


He makes a fine point here.


People, whether you--or the person you are addressing--is a meat-eater or not, please do not taunt or ridicule another for their choices. Also, if your particularly impassioned about one side of the argument, don't introduce contentious posts that will attract such taunts. In short, just respect one another's dietary habits. :)

I've actually read articles (one from the New England Journal of Medicine comes to mind) that point to the advantages of a vegetarian diet. It seems its probably the healthiest choice in eating habits. Having said that, I like having my medium rare steaks and hamburgers on the run. Its just my choice... it may not be the healthiest choice (though I'm in terrific health), but it suits my personal tastes.
 
Upvote 0

angelnstix

Believer
Jun 9, 2004
934
83
Colorado
✟1,519.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Jameseb, I have read more good about vegetarianism than I have read good about eating meat. There is a lot more info out there on vegetarianism than meat diets. I think the bottom line is how the meat is processed. For instance, if you buy it in the store, are you buying organic? Now how bout' them veggies, are they organic? Or are they full of pesticides and waxed down and passed through chemicals. Now when it comes to veggies, I would much rather eat straight from an organic garden just as I would my beef straight from the pasture to the table with no middle market ruining it with preservatives..etc...I think no matter what diet you chose the best you can do is make sure it's free of all the garbage. It's very tough to do that and can be very expensive as well.
My advice if anyone wants to eat really GOOD beef, chicken or pork, go straight to the ranchers/farmers and support them, ask them what vaccinations are used, ask them what they are eating and get your meats from them.
We use both store bought meat and our own, to be honest I like both. But I am sure our own is healthiest, but as far as taste, from store to store you will find different taste in like ground beef. I am picky when I buy my ground beef, I have 2 grocery stores I will purchase my meat from and I won't mention them here, one of the biggest grocery chains I know of has the absolute worst tasting ground beef I have ever ate, again won't mention store names. ;)
 
Upvote 0

Christ Aficionado

Active Member
Jun 19, 2004
200
10
Florida
✟390.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
:wave:

To the original poster, I don't believe you'll find anything against being a vegetarian. Like many have already stated in this thread, according to the Bible, this is the way it was meant to be in the beginning. As to the threads about B-12 deficiency (or any other deficiency that may come up), why not try a multivitamin?


I just find that being a meat eater is much more interesting because you have many more types of foods to enjoy. Also, let's not forget that Jesus ate meat and fed the multitudes fish from the baskets. In honor of that miracle, tomorrow I will chow down on some good sushi. :thumbsup:


Have a happy new year!
 
Upvote 0

jameseb

Smite me, O Mighty Smiter!
Mar 3, 2004
14,869
2,022
North Little Rock, AR
✟136,819.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Christ Aficionado said:
let's not forget that Jesus ate meat and fed the multitudes fish from the baskets. In honor of that miracle, tomorrow I will chow down on some good sushi. :thumbsup:


Sushi?!? :sick:


I've tried to acquire a taste for it, but it just hasn't taken yet. ;)

By the way, for those still seeking an answer to the OP, there are some hazards (and some have been addressed here already) to a vegetarian diet:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/18/1063625125709.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true
 
Upvote 0

angelnstix

Believer
Jun 9, 2004
934
83
Colorado
✟1,519.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
VegitarianKitty said:
Now after reading this thread I'm even happier about my opinion.... never in my life have I asked the guy at the food stand what vaccination he gives his vegitables.
LOL
You may want to inquire about the pesticides if your worried about chemicals. Many pesticides that are used are just as dangerous as vaccinations, they penetrate through to the core of your veggies/fruits. The preservatives to keep the color on fruits and veggies may be of concern to you as well if you wanna reach that deep. ;)
 
Upvote 0

angelnstix

Believer
Jun 9, 2004
934
83
Colorado
✟1,519.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Christ Aficionado said:
:wave:

To the original poster, I don't believe you'll find anything against being a vegetarian. Like many have already stated in this thread, according to the Bible, this is the way it was meant to be in the beginning. As to the threads about B-12 deficiency (or any other deficiency that may come up), why not try a multivitamin?


I just find that being a meat eater is much more interesting because you have many more types of foods to enjoy. Also, let's not forget that Jesus ate meat and fed the multitudes fish from the baskets. In honor of that miracle, tomorrow I will chow down on some good sushi. :thumbsup:


Have a happy new year!
I have never tried sushi! I agree with you, I cannot imagine not being a meat eater, we have meat in every meal! Even in a salad I add ham! We had prime rib and ham for Christmas dinner yesterday. It was so yummy!;)
 
Upvote 0

Christ Aficionado

Active Member
Jun 19, 2004
200
10
Florida
✟390.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
fallen^sparrow said:
Sushi is kinda a "non-event" in my mind... I mean its good but the flavour is so muted ... like eating straight shrimp or sole. The only reason I head for the sushi plate is as a "protein supplement" for all the steamed vegetable dishes. :yum:

raw^fish :)
That's why I'm a fan of the rolls. Salmon Skin rolls, Eel Rolls, Spicy Tuna Rolls, Spider Rolls, JB Rolls w/ cream cheese & avacado....

oh geez, I can't wait for tonight....:clap:
 
Upvote 0

crossrunner

Serving the Lord joyfully since 1981!
Aug 8, 2004
7,311
315
63
Raleigh, North Carolina
✟39,117.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
I'm happy being a vegetarian...and unlike my faith in Christ, I don't feel the need to encourage others to become a vegetarian. Its a very personal choice. I don't tell others what they can and cannot eat...so I ask that others don't try to tell me what I can and cannot eat. So there. :D
 
Upvote 0

Beastt

Legend
Mar 12, 2004
12,966
1,019
Arizona
✟40,898.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
D-Lisch said:
For real, I have nothing against it... but how could you live w/o meat?! It's delicious!
Certainly people have a taste for fat and meat contains plenty of fat. So it isn't at all surprising that many the taste of meat. In some parts of the world it's large spiders that are so highly prized as food. In other places fried parasites are a delacy. Even cold snake blood is a delight to some.

But people can also develop a taste for a variety of sexual partners. Would this then be sufficient reason to commit adultery? Granted, adultery kills no one and nothing except trust, sometimes love and usually damages self-esteem. Meat kills.
 
Upvote 0

crossrunner

Serving the Lord joyfully since 1981!
Aug 8, 2004
7,311
315
63
Raleigh, North Carolina
✟39,117.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
D-Lisch said:
For real, I have nothing against it... but how could you live w/o meat?! It's delicious!
If I could I would cook you such a great meal...you would never miss the meat!
 
Upvote 0

angelnstix

Believer
Jun 9, 2004
934
83
Colorado
✟1,519.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Beastt said:
Certainly people have a taste for fat and meat contains plenty of fat. So it isn't at all surprising that many the taste of meat. In some parts of the world it's large spiders that are so highly prized as food. In other places fried parasites are a delacy. Even cold snake blood is a delight to some.

But people can also develop a taste for a variety of sexual partners. Would this then be sufficient reason to commit adultery? Granted, adultery kills no one and nothing except trust, sometimes love and usually damages self-esteem. Meat kills.
:sigh:Why.....why??? Be so crude? I find your post to be distasteful in many ways. But I am not surprised in the least. I give up.:prayer:
 
  • Like
Reactions: ChrisWins
Upvote 0

PACKY

Contributor
Dec 24, 2004
6,733
374
✟39,735.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
:cry:

A dead cow or sheep lying in the pasture is recognized as carrion. The same sort
of carcass dressed and hung up in a butcher's stall passes as food.
-- J.H. Kellogg
A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he
eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his
appetite. And to act so is immoral.
-- Leo Tolstoy
And when I think of the suffering of the creatures in our factory farms,
laboratories, puppy mills, or of any animal neglected or mistreated by man, for
me there is no more powerful question than to ask: "What would the Good Shepherd
think of this?"
-- Matthew Scully
Animals are more than ever a test of our character, of mankind's capacity for
empathy and for decent, honorable conduct and faithful stewardship.... We are
called to treat them with kindness, not because they have rights or power or
some claim to equality, but in a sense because they don't; because they all
stand unequal and powerless before us.
-- Matthew Scully

"Calves are adorable," as columnist David Plotz expressed it in Slate magazine,
"but veal is delicious. God gave man dominion over the beasts of the Earth (and)
if any animal has economic utility, we should farm it." Actually, if we are
going to get pious about it, God gave us lots of things, and one of them is
conscience. Veal, no matter what seasonings cover it, or what sanctimony defends
it, does not carry the "taste of elegance." Veal carries, as Alice Walker
observes, "the taste of a bitter life."
-- Matthew Scully
Do we, as humans, having an ability to reason and to communicate abstract ideas
verbally and in writing, and to form ethical and moral judgments using the
accumulated knowledge of the ages, have the right to take the lives of other
sentient organisms, particularly when we are not forced to do so by hunger or
dietary need, but rather do so for the somewhat frivolous reason that we like
the taste of meat? In essence, should we know better?
-- Peter Cheeke
Flesh-eating is simply immoral, as it involves the performance of an act which
is contrary to moral feeling--killing.
-- Leo Tolstoy
I do not want to make my stomach a graveyard of dead animals.
-- George Bernard Shaw
I don`t hold animals superior or even equal to humans. The whole case for
behaving decently to animals rests on the fact that we are the superior species.
We are the species uniquely capable of imagination, rationality, and moral
choice - and that is precisely why we are under an obligation to recognize and
respect the rights of animals.
-- Brigid Brophy

If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian. We feel better
about ourselves and better about the animals, knowing we're not contributing to
their pain.
-- Paul and Linda McCartney
If you declare that you are naturally designed for such a diet, then first kill
for yourself what you want to eat. Do it, however, only through your own
resources, unaided by cleaver or cudgel or any kind of ax.
-- Plutarch
I know a "crime against nature" when I see one. It is usually a sign of crimes
against nature that we cannot bear to see them at all, that we recoil and hide
our eyes, and no one has cringed at the sight of a soybean factory.
-- Matthew Scully
I know, in my soul, that to eat a creature who is raised to be eaten, and who
never has a chance to be a real being, is unhealthy. It's like...you're just
eating misery. You're eating a bitter life.
-- Alice Walker
I look my age. It is the other people who look older than they are. What can you
expect from people who eat corpses?
-- George Bernard Shaw
In all the round world of Utopia there is no meat. There used to be. But now we
cannot stand the thought of slaughterhouses. And, in a population that is all
educated, and at about the same level of physical refinement, it is practically
impossible to find anyone who will hew a dead ox or pig... I can still remember
as a boy the rejoicings over the closing of the last slaughterhouse.
-- H.G. Wells

In protecting animals, it is always just one step from the mainstream to the
fringe. To condemn the wrong is obvious, to suggest its abolition radical.
-- Matthew Scully
I think there will come a time, and this is down the road a great many years,
when civilized people will look back in horror on our generation and the ones
that have preceded it: the idea that we should eat other living things running
around on four legs, that we should raise them just for the purpose of killing
them! The people of the future will say, 'meat-eaters!' in disgust and regard us
in the same way that we regard cannibals and cannibalism.
-- Dennis Weaver
It's also worth recalling that people can agree on the same objectives for
different reasons: A secular philosopher like Peter Singer can oppose factory
farming because it's unethical by his theories of justice. An environmentalist
can oppose factory farming because it's reckless stewardship. A conservative can
oppose factory farming because it is destructive to small farmers and to the
decent ethic of husbandry those farmers live by. A religious person can oppose
factory farming because it is degrading to both man and animal -- an offense to
God.
-- Matthew Scully

My mother thought it would make us feel better to know animals had no souls and
thus their deaths were not to be taken seriously. But it didn't help and when I
think of some of the animals I've known, I wonder. The only really "soulful"
eyes in the world belong to the dog or cat who sits on your lap or at your feet
commiserating when you cry.
-- Liz Smith
My refusing to eat flesh occasioned an inconveniency, and I was frequently
chided for my singularity, but, with this lighter repast, I made the greater
progress, for greater clearness of head and quicker comprehension
-- Benjamin Franklin
Nonviolence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution.
Until we stop harming all living beings, we are all savages.
-- Thomas Edison
Nothing more strongly arouses our disgust than cannibalism, yet we make the same
impression on Buddhists and vegetarians, for we feed on babies, though not our
own.
-- Robert Louis Stevenson
People often say that humans have always eaten animals, as if this is a
justification for continuing the practice. According to this logic, we should
not try to prevent people from murdering other people, since this has also been
done since the earliest of times.
-- Isaac Bashevis Singer
Poor animals! How jealously they guard their pathetic bodies... that which to us
is merely an evening's meal, but to them is life itself.
-- T. Casey Brennan

Torturing animals to prolong human life has separated science from the most
important thing that life has produced - the human conscience.
-- John Cowper Powys
[T]he standard vegetarian argument that the average person eats meat, and yet
could not bear to see how it was produced, actually speaks well for the average
person. Imagine a world in which most people enjoyed hearing and seeing the
details.
-- Matthew Scully
Truly man is the king of beasts, for his brutality exceeds them. We live by the
death of others. We are burial places! I have since an early age abjured the use
of meat...
-- Leonardo da Vinci
Various philosophers and religious leaders tried to convince their disciples and
followers that animals are nothing more than machines without a soul, without
feelings. However, anyone who has ever lived with an animal--be it a dog, a
bird, or even a mouse--knows that this theory is a brazen lie, invented to
justify cruelty.
-- Isaac Bashevis Singer
We are all God's creatures--that we pray to God for mercy and justice while we
continue to eat the flesh of animals that are slaughtered on our account is not
consistent.
-- Isaac Bashevis Singer
We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs
with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear.
-- Robert Louis Stevenson
We have found ways never before imagined to torture and maim animals and make
their lives a misery, almost a living hell for many thousands locked in cages in
the multinational food industry, in government establishments devoted to finding
the newest and best weapons for humans to kill each other, and in laboratories
where often the most important thing being researched is the latest in lipstick
or face cream.
-- David Oderberg

We pray on Sundays that we may have light
To guide our footsteps on the path we tread;
We are sick of war, we don't want to fight,
And yet we gorge ourselves upon the dead.
-- George Bernard Shaw
When a man wantonly destroys one of the works of man, we call him a vandal. When
he wantonly destroys one of the works of God, we call him a sportsman.
-- Joseph Wood Krutch
You can't eat your friends and have them too.
-- Franz Kafka
You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed to
the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity.
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
You put a baby in a crib with an apple and a rabbit. If it eats the rabbit and
plays with the apple, I'll buy you a new car.
-- Harvey Diamond
 
Upvote 0