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How do you define your own value? I am struggling with this. It seems here that my value as a woman in this world...even among the Christian men here.... is based primarily on my physical looks...but how does one determine if the are "pretty enough" or "thin enough" to hope that someone could love me again?

I look in the mirror and see nothing of value anymore to attract men in that reflection. Then I look in the faces of my patients and see the compassion, caring, and empathy that I feel and try to convey on to each one of them reflected back. The laughter as I can find gentle humor even in some horrific situations..."thanks for making me laugh" is the best compliment many can offer me as I perform a painful or embarrassing procedure.

If I want to find love again, do I really need to spend my time focusing on ever ounce of food that enters my mouth...and my spare time, in the gym. Would my conversation really be better if it included the calorie count of my entree and all my stories were related to things that happened at the gym?

Will no man recognize the person that lives within the shell of my 49 year old body? People tend to usually guess that I am younger than I am, but I am still not young. I don't want to be young again. I like the knowledge that comes with the age and the freedom that menopause will bring. Does a woman of intelligence and substance not matter anymore?

Are "mature" men really that shallow that they don't recognize the value that age brings?
 
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I view my value as a reflection of the type of woman I am able to attract. I am wondering that if a guy reaches his 50's and he finds himself single he is simply just no longer interested anymore. Guys hit their peak at like 18 or 20 so by 50 its kind of the end of the road. Obviously not all guys but I think it is for the vast majority.

A lot of the older guys I know want to accomplish other things in their lives before they die, things they did not have the time or money for in the past. I had one 79 year old co-worker who went out and bought a sports car and just drove all around north America for an entire summer, granted 79 is a lot older than 50 but I wonder if its all the same past a certain point? I heard of another guy that bought a sail boat and just sails the west coast and does professional engineering consulting work when ever he gets the call he docks up and goes to work for a few months then back off sailing again. A co-worker in the office also does sailing. I know guys that have bought 6 figure planes and fly around north America. They have the time and money and are lucky enough that their bodys have not totally failed yet but I think sex is the last thing on their minds.

So it may not be an issue with you at all, you may look fine and be perfectly healthy but the guys are at the end of the road.

How do you define your own value? I am struggling with this. It seems here that my value as a woman in this world...even among the Christian men here.... is based primarily on my physical looks...but how does one determine if the are "pretty enough" or "thin enough" to hope that someone could love me again?

I look in the mirror and see nothing of value anymore to attract men in that reflection. Then I look in the faces of my patients and see the compassion, caring, and empathy that I feel and try to convey on to each one of them reflected back. The laughter as I can find gentle humor even in some horrific situations..."thanks for making me laugh" is the best compliment many can offer me as I perform a painful or embarrassing procedure.

If I want to find love again, do I really need to spend my time focusing on ever ounce of food that enters my mouth...and my spare time, in the gym. Would my conversation really be better if it included the calorie count of my entree and all my stories were related to things that happened at the gym?

Will no man recognize the person that lives within the shell of my 49 year old body? People tend to usually guess that I am younger than I am, but I am still not young. I don't want to be young again. I like the knowledge that comes with the age and the freedom that menopause will bring. Does a woman of intelligence and substance not matter anymore?

Are "mature" men really that shallow that they don't recognize the value that age brings?
 
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Im sure not all men. If a man was not able to have a pretty woman of his youth (which is also biblical) then why would he settle when he is older and is less compelled to be with a woman then when his hormones were raging and women treated him with contempt?

That's why people in the bible got married young and just stayed married, the woman was there for him in his peak and he was there for her in her peak and they both supported each other in old age. But this new age of feminism has made things really whack.

I understand you were widowed and that sucks but you are living in an era where men have got a pretty raw deal so they are not super happy about it. For the men with the money they are going to enjoy doing the things they want to do. For the guys that got chewed up so bad in divorces and child support that they will never recover I am not sure what is going through their minds. Maybe they think they can still rebuild a career and have some measure of enjoyment out of their lives.

I have heard of 50 and 60 year old guys going back to school and doing all kinds of things but why would they want to bungle things up with a woman if they lost decades of their lives to women past?

What about the men who will never have the funds or freedom to buy a sports car or travel all over the country?

So men place their value on what their money can buy...even female company?
 
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Why do you determine your value based on what men think? Why do you want to find a man so badly?

Men don't want to buy a pretty women, they want pretty women to want them. hiring sex workers for most men is an absolute last resort if a resort at all. But when a guy has been rejected all his life by women that he wanted or was left and financially abused by a woman and his sex drive is no longer motivating him why would he want to keep getting involved with women?

This day and time most single people are not widowed so if a guy is single at 40 or 50 there is likely something really bad that happened.

Maybe look for another widowed man?

Don't want one of those men. So that makes it easy.

Does buying a pretty woman really make a man feel like he has value? If so, then the how can they put down women who are only about money?
 
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Are "mature" men really that shallow that they don't recognize the value that age brings?


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Nah not in my experience! There are older men who enjoy the company of older women. They actually like and prefer older women. Some are even getting married. It's all about the individuals involved and what they really want. Some have been through life just like we have and have settled their past. They are open and available. I've met a lot of older single men since I've been in my 50's in my everyday life. It has surprised me how friendly so many of them are. So far I've only met one man (72) who had an abiding bitterness. Too bad, he and I could have enjoyed some laughter together. Other than that so far so good. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, serif]So yes there is a mixed bag but I would say don't put all mature men in the same shallow category. There's some healthy older men out there who really get “it” and they haven't given up on finding a mate either if that's what you want. I know because one was trying to get me to marry him when I was 50! It can happen. The world is full of men. Also some women are going younger. You never know. In the meantime don't believe the negative hype. Enjoy and embrace life which hopefully includes meeting some men along the way... [/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Years ago I bound Psalm 139 to my heart. It echoes my sentiments.[/FONT]

 
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Why do you determine your value based on what men think? Why do you want to find a man so badly?

Men don't want to buy a pretty women, they want pretty women to want them. hiring sex workers for most men is an absolute last resort if a resort at all. But when a guy has been rejected all his life by women that he wanted or was left and financially abused by a woman and his sex drive is no longer motivating him why would he want to keep getting involved with women?

This day and time most single people are not widowed so if a guy is single at 40 or 50 there is likely something really bad that happened.

Maybe look for another widowed man?

How badly do I want to find a man? I simply said I would like to find love and marry again. I don't like being alone but I can do it for the rest of my days and would do it willingly over this "good enough" version of almost love that you seem okay with. There are many things worst than being alone.

If a man attracts a woman because of his wealth or the things that money buys, he has "bought a woman" almost the same as if he paid her for her services....it is just a little more socially acceptable. A wealthy man will never really know why he is loved, will he?

I have dated widowed men....they come with their own unique damages....same as divorced men...or never married men. However, women don't tend to die young nearly as often as men do. We all have issues and no one makes it to 45 without being hurt. I don't "look" for any kind of man. I am open to dating but not actively searching. I don't have time to make "man-hunting" a priority because I am busy living my life. I have met every man I ever dated ... young or old ... while living my life so it could happen again.
 
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How do you define your own value? I am struggling with this. It seems here that my value as a woman in this world...even among the Christian men here.... is based primarily on my physical looks...but how does one determine if the are "pretty enough" or "thin enough" to hope that someone could love me again?

I look in the mirror and see nothing of value anymore to attract men in that reflection. Then I look in the faces of my patients and see the compassion, caring, and empathy that I feel and try to convey on to each one of them reflected back. The laughter as I can find gentle humor even in some horrific situations..."thanks for making me laugh" is the best compliment many can offer me as I perform a painful or embarrassing procedure.

If I want to find love again, do I really need to spend my time focusing on ever ounce of food that enters my mouth...and my spare time, in the gym. Would my conversation really be better if it included the calorie count of my entree and all my stories were related to things that happened at the gym?

Will no man recognize the person that lives within the shell of my 49 year old body? People tend to usually guess that I am younger than I am, but I am still not young. I don't want to be young again. I like the knowledge that comes with the age and the freedom that menopause will bring. Does a woman of intelligence and substance not matter anymore?

Are "mature" men really that shallow that they don't recognize the value that age brings?

My dear, dear friend,

My heart goes out to you and my pepper spray so wants a piece of the guys making you feel that way. (Do you have addresses. My pepper spray is willing to travel:p)

Here'ts the thing. I am 54. I look about 40. That's where I fall on the Real Age/Biological Age test result. Some even say I look younger. (but they haven't seen me when I just get up in the morning!) I'm just about the "perfect" weight and quite fit. I have nice hair, big brown eyes, and most folks say I have a pretty face. I'm a godly girl. I love the Lord and that is apparent. I have a huge sense of humor. I'm smart. I'm employed.

I workout and watch what I eat because I love healthful food and working out, and I'm a CNC and feel I want to practice what I preach. But up until a short time ago I did those things because I thought I could make make men notice me and maybe someday before Jesus comes I could have a date and a reason to wear that super cute little black lace (which is lined of course, modest without being stoggy, and I'd wear it with tights) skirt my firend gave me three or four years ago. The results were futile. No dates, but a few guys in the online game (which I don't recommend:doh:) responded. All the guys on line who could forgive me for my age (few and far between, how dare I be the age God made me, even if I look younger. Who do I think I am, anyway?) were only interested in my looks. Grotesquely so. One guy repeatedly asking gross questions like was I, no excuse me, was my body the athletic type or was "it" more "soft and feminine." Being reduced to an it is not much of a turn on, nor did I feel loved or like there was any potential for love in that anymore than there was from the guys who ignored me online or in real life. He was also very concerned about whether I liked to give massages.

While that particular guy was a grave dissapointment, I'm grateful for the experience, creepy as it was, because it was the final straw for me. The light came on. Charles Stanley says to "Do your best, look your best, and be your best," but he doesn't say to do so so I can get a man. As I see it he is essentially telling me to do those thing because they are part of who I am, but they aren't something I do for acceptance.

Somehow that whole media scam about "appearance can buy you love" broke off of me. I see it for what it is. A scam, a big one, and I believe from my experience that the majority of the men on this planet have fallen for it, sadly Christian men included. Nearly from birth the t.v. told them they had to have this and that in a woman. The t.v. won. But does that mean you and I lose. Well speaking personally, I am happy to lose those men. And I'm not just saying it. I find them no more appealing than guys who are disrespectful to their mothers and mean to their pets. I'm done, so done--so freeeeeee.

Does that mean oreos, soap operas and poor muscle tone. Noooooo. It means I am free to love my workouts and organic sweet potato custard, to develop my quads because I want good strong quads, to set a good, healthful example, to be healthy and feel good, feel strong, and free from the search, the heartache, the fear I might end up alone, to look in the mirror, smile at myself and say out loud, "silly men, they don't know what they're missing," and mean it.

In other words, I'm free to be me, appreciate the authentic me, with the assurance that if God wants me with a man, He can get guy's heart opens enough to Him that the guy realizes his own foolishness and stop worshiping the media. I am freed by the realization that there is nothing I can do to make someone love me, so I get to just be me, to live my life and enjoy it, realizing that that other thing was a lie from hell devised to keep my eyes off the truth. The truth is that I think still I would like to marry one day, but I now know that I know that I know I don't have to in order to have a happy full life. But until I stopped bowing to the lie and made it bow to me I couldn't see the truth or live it.

So dear daughter of God, here is the important thing regarding beauty: "Listen O daughter and hearken your ear....The King is enthrolled by your beauty." Ps 45:10,11. I know it sounds like a canned Christian line that all we need is Jesus' love. But it turns out to be true. And if jumping through all the hoops the media told me to jump through is what it took to learn the truth and live it, than it's true, God does cause all things, even media lies, to work together for good for those who love Him and are called. And maybe oneday you and I will meet a man that learned the truth and is living it. And for me personally, I have no interest in any other type. No matter how good I look (or don't), how great my quads, long my hair, nicely lined my eyes, if that's too important to a guy, I pass, and gladly.

The appearance scam is a lie, dear friend. It's great to be attracted to your future mate and him to you, but, no, don't workout so you can find him or to try to make someone love you. It won't be love you will find. It will be a weird dysfunction that you don't need. Workout to find the healthy you who can go jogging with her grand kids when she's eighty, who can work a 12-hour nursing shift and not hurt by the end of the day, and at the end of the day get on those knees and look back and thank God that He freed you from this lie.

Blessings and prayers,
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I Define my value by the Prize Jesus paid but must admit I'm so shallow That I felt better when some good looking guys with a good job were interested lol. Especially the 29 Year old one made me feel better.

Messy, I don't thnk that has to be shallow. I like when guys think I'm attractive. I think as long as we don't get carried away it's okay. And it is cool when the young one take notice!
 
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I haven't bought into the lie most of the time...sometimes when I am tired and lonely it does hang over my head. I just was wondering if the men here are really that shallow...and I guess I have my answer. I wonder what horrible creature they picture me to be (hint: nobody who literally walks 12 hours 3-4 days a week is a flabby mess).

I have lowered my hopes....both because I think it might take a while for that right someone to notice me since I am not out actively looking and there seem to be more men who want to be 30 again than want to grow old together with the joys and freedom that brings.
 
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I haven't bought into the lie most of the time...sometimes when I am tired and lonely it does hang over my head. I just was wondering if the men here are really that shallow...and I guess I have my answer. I wonder what horrible creature they picture me to be (hint: nobody who literally walks 12 hours 3-4 days a week is a flabby mess).

I have lowered my hopes....both because I think it might take a while for that right someone to notice me since I am not out actively looking and there seem to be more men who want to be 30 again than want to grow old together with the joys and freedom that brings.

Their just afraid you don't have your crew with you as in this video:

Just realized the first video I posted would not play. Here's another copy of it. dove evolution video - Bing Videos

This one is a different one on the same topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP31r70_QNM

How dare we walk around without having our pixels adjusted? Who do we think we are?
 
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I haven't bought into the lie most of the time...sometimes when I am tired and lonely it does hang over my head. I just was wondering if the men here are really that shallow...and I guess I have my answer. I wonder what horrible creature they picture me to be (hint: nobody who literally walks 12 hours 3-4 days a week is a flabby mess).

I have lowered my hopes....both because I think it might take a while for that right someone to notice me since I am not out actively looking and there seem to be more men who want to be 30 again than want to grow old together with the joys and freedom that brings.

Lol well I saw those men my age and older. Most of them aren't really athletic or looking great and young yet one put in his profile he wanted a slender feminine woman. Hahaha on his picture he was old and fat and eating. Go to the gym yourself if you want a young good looking thin woman.
 
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How do you define your own value? I am struggling with this. It seems here that my value as a woman in this world...even among the Christian men here.... is based primarily on my physical looks...but how does one determine if the are "pretty enough" or "thin enough" to hope that someone could love me again?

I can’t say it’s easy – but why not define your “value” on the things that are important to you?

There will always be someone who will look at you and say “not pretty enough” versus whatever criteria they have, but then again, assuming that you met their criteria, would you want a relationship with someone who was prepared to date or not date you based on that kind of measure?

Or would you prefer a relationship with someone that thinks “she might not be perfect in looks, but I don’t care because the things that matter to me are how she lives her Christian life, how caring she is to others etc”
 
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