Valentine's Day

[Socktastic]

You demand truth, but add insignificant little rules like "no website," while your on the INTERNET. Creating a paradox, because in your mind there will never be enough evidence, because posting links somehow does not qualify as evidence.

those "cards" are what the women of Rome would write their names on, and then would be put into collection with other names. When called that women would be a sex slave for the man that whole year. thus how you get asking people to be your valentine.

You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Simply, v-day is NOT OF GOD, and should not be celebrated by default. The meaning does not matter, and how you justify it does not matter.

hey, if you have issues with it you can take it up with the Big man, i didn't make the rules.

Demand? Oh no. I am interested in how you arrived at your conclusion, it was not a prohibition of such sources but the request that you make a post that did not rely on quotes from such places but your own conclusion based upon them. I want to see your words, your own thoughts, those that have come from the information you used to develop this particular opinion.

Yes, we've been over the ritual of Rome, we've been over the sexual antics. But that was then, I wish to know more of your thoughts on why the past has influenced your opinion towards the present - do you know any Christian who worships anyone other than God on any of the days set aside for certain things? Am I, on the day where we are all given time off to celebrate the wedding of a royal, worshiping the Queen? When people get all merry at St. Patricks day, when they are celebrating anything other than what made St.Patrick a Saint, is that idolatry? Although, that's probably the wrong comparison as I do not know your stance on Saints in general.

With Stravinsk I feel informed, it's a background in how others view it that is quite detailed in comparison to what you presented.

I'm going to post this and then go to sleepy land.

This is the card I received from a friend. I didn't even know I was going to get it. For the past two weeks I've been very sick and getting this card helped me feel better that day.
It was meant with love, nothing less.

Beautiful, really beautiful.

I can show you how none of the Roman Holidays that are celebrated are approved of. Valentines day, as it's celebrated, is not even that big of a deal. The bigger deals are Christmas and Easter.

But are you absolutely sure you want to know?

But I can not show you - that is - you must seek, and you will find.

Because if I were to show you - you would be greatly offended. I have tried this, and found that by sharing it such hatred and vehemence against me that I am convinced it is a highly spiritual matter. It was for me when I researched - and continue to do so.

If you seek, and ask and obey - you WILL be shown truth - and not just about Valentines day. But all of them. For one man sits behind the approval of all of them.

But ... does the offence it cause matter if this is what you believe to be the truth? I'm intrigued as to what could offend someone so greatly. Was it based in the ancient texts, modern translations, historical information?

Why should it cause hatred? Is it the knowledge that the majority of professed Christians will be found wanting at the end of it all? That modern Christianity is a faint whimper that has absorbed far too much of the world in an attempt to stay alive as a religion? That we should strip everything down to the bare bones and polish them?

With Christmas and Easter - Make the biggest noise, make it special for your beliefs, make people know that whatever they believed before was nothing compared to the truth.

Perhaps I am dense, perhaps I look at them and do not see false gods and displeasing actions, but I do sit and wonder about how one can come to the conclusion that not only should they not celebrate such days but others should not either. How does one come to the conclusion that how individuals celebrate is not important, but the fact they are celebrating is?

One should be convicted in their own heart. I do not see it as a matter of seeking truth so much as finding out whether you are able to take something and change the meaning for yourself. If you can not take an event and change it from pagan rituals of the past then it should not be celebrated, for those thoughts will always invade your mind. If you celebrate and use it as opportunity to worship God, a way of reaching out to people in a culturally relevant manner where you can show your faith to others and remind yourselves of His importance then there is nothing to prohibit the continuation of such celebrations.

I see no offerings to false gods, no sacrifices, no understanding of how to truly celebrate in the manner of old (or new for that matter). I see early attempts at making Christianity accessible and understandable, I see a continuation of that and I see commercialization.

Or maybe I am pushing the old and the new too far apart. Who knows.

 

[Tink]

First off, im not flaming anyone. Thats just how you perceive it, but my intent was nothing of the sort.

I just posted scripture. Its really really simple, if you seek the truth, only pain and confusion you will find. But freedom you will gain. ima let you do the research if you really want truth.

You demand truth, but add insignificant little rules like "no website," while your on the INTERNET. Creating a paradox, because in your mind there will never be enough evidence, because posting links somehow does not qualify as evidence.

those "cards" are what the women of Rome would write their names on, and then would be put into collection with other names. When called that women would be a sex slave for the man that whole year. thus how you get asking people to be your valentine.

You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Simply, vday is NOT OF GOD, and should not be celibated by default. The meaning does not matter, and how you justify it does not matter.

hey, if you have issues with it you can take it up with the Big man, i didnt make the rules.

I don't see Valentine's day as "not of God." You posted a few random Scriptures (which I read) that did not have anything to do with a day. They had to do with idols. Giving people a card/candy/flowers does not constitute worship, IMO.

I can show you how none of the Roman Holidays that are celebrated are approved of. Valentines day, as it's celebrated, is not even that big of a deal. The bigger deals are Christmas and Easter.

But are you absolutely sure you want to know?

But I can not show you - that is - you must seek, and you will find.

Because if I were to show you - you would be greatly offended. I have tried this, and found that by sharing it such hatred and vehemence against me that I am convinced it is a highly spiritual matter. It was for me when I researched - and continue to do so.

If you seek, and ask and obey - you WILL be shown truth - and not just about Valentines day. But all of them. For one man sits behind the approval of all of them.

You said you can show me, but then turned around and said you can't show me, that I have to seek it. If I have sought to know the Truth of God's Word and He has not revealed anything about Valentine's day to me...well, something is happening there.

Also, I'm not one to be "greatly offended" about anything except people taking the Lord's name in vain. So, if you please you can PM me the information you are talking about since I'm obviously not righteous or holy enough (hahaha. ) to learn it on my own. I promise not to hate you or anything!

Thanks!

 

[Stravinsk]

I don't see Valentine's day as "not of God." You posted a few random Scriptures (which I read) that did not have anything to do with a day. They had to do with idols. Giving people a card/candy/flowers does not constitute worship, IMO.




You said you can show me, but then turned around and said you can't show me, that I have to seek it. If I have sought to know the Truth of God's Word and He has not revealed anything about Valentine's day to me...well, something is happening there.

Also, I'm not one to be "greatly offended" about anything except people taking the Lord's name in vain. So, if you please you can PM me the information you are talking about since I'm obviously not righteous or holy enough (hahaha. ) to learn it on my own. I promise not to hate you or anything!

Thanks!

There is no need for PM. I will tell you plainly in public.

There is a simple test for Christ and for AntiChrist. According to John's epistles, what is it?

 

[Inkachu]

Way to turn a happy, upbeat thread into yet another hateful, cynical, bitter debate. Go fellow Christians With "brethren" like some people here, who needs enemies?

People who are violently legalistic are frightening. There is danger in becoming so emotional that you stop using your brain, but there is a much greater danger is becoming so intellectual that you stop using your heart. Some of the attitudes I see here remind me of those who have killed and slaughtered and tortured in the name of "enlightenment".



Happy Valentine's Day. <3

 

[explodingboy]

I can't say I didn't anything that specially for valentines day, my partner however did clean the oven.

 

[Rhye]

Way to turn a happy, upbeat thread into yet another hateful, cynical, bitter debate. Go fellow Christians With "brethren" like some people here, who needs enemies?

People who are violently legalistic are frightening. There is danger in becoming so emotional that you stop using your brain, but there is a much greater danger is becoming so intellectual that you stop using your heart. Some of the attitudes I see here remind me of those who have killed and slaughtered and tortured in the name of "enlightenment".



Happy Valentine's Day. <3

I agree Vicky, people truly do lose heart. I bet you in three years time when he finds a girlfriend that he is head over heels in love with, a simple card and flowers will make him feel silly for overblowing everything!

Anyways, Socky, I'm glad you liked the card, it was indeed beautiful!

 

[JohnDB]

I think that somewhere the bible says that God will write the particulars of this New Covenant on our hearts. The Generalities He already wrote down for everyone. Such things as "have faith in Jesus" "Love your neighbor almost as much as you love God". God is Love.

So how showing love is heathen is beyond me.

However the Bible is clear about those having a bunch of rules & condemning those who don't follow them. God says that those are the wolves, goats, bad fish, or hypocrites.

Faith like a little child. Complete & worry free. *sigh*

 

[crishmael]

I got an offer of marriage on a video game and some Girl Scout Cookies. Best. Valentine's. Ever.

 

[kittysbecute]

I got an offer of marriage on a video game and some Girl Scout Cookies. Best. Valentine's. Ever.

What video game? What flavor cookies?

 

[crishmael]

What video game? What flavor cookies?

Elder Scrolls: Skyrim and thin mints.

 

[Stravinsk]

But ... does the offence it cause matter if this is what you believe to be the truth? I'm intrigued as to what could offend someone so greatly. Was it based in the ancient texts, modern translations, historical information?

Why should it cause hatred? Is it the knowledge that the majority of professed Christians will be found wanting at the end of it all?

The judgement of others is not my call. If I am called, I can obey or not obey.

The reason it is hated:

The blind guide. A ravenous wolf. He defiled the temple by taking a false oath that was a gigantic lie.

The basket of the bread is lifted up. It is leavened - that is - it contains yeast. It is risen. In his OWN IMAGE - HE HAS RISEN.

This yeast is his teachings and doctrines.

His teachings have not come from the Messiah while Messiah was in the flesh. The teachings are from private revelation. And many eat his bread.

He claims to be the master builder and foundation layer - and in this he denies the Most Holy Elohym. And the people eat his bread.

He is not meek - His mouth is full of his boasts. And the people eat his bread.

He is a master deceiver - mixing lies with truth - to flatter those who cling to his words. And the people eat his bread.

He was delivered in a basket.

He consents to the death of the saints - beginning with crowned.

He consents to the death of the saints through his doctrine.

He is a rich young ruler who asked a question and turned away at the answer. The answer Messiah gave to him omitted a command. That command was "do not covet". He admits he cannot follow this command.

He claims he was blind and now sees.

He was given shelter by Rome.

 

[Stirleyyy]

I agree Vicky, people truly do lose heart. I bet you in three years time when he finds a girlfriend that he is head over heels in love with, a simple card and flowers will make him feel silly for overblowing everything!

Anyways, Socky, I'm glad you liked the card, it was indeed beautiful!

Shows what you know. I have a girlfriend, and i love her very much. We are planning on getting married, and we both know we dont need some pagan day to show our love, because we already do it at random. We both agreed not to celibate it, and we didnt. Its not about heart, its about your emotions and feelings attached to the act. You try and justify your defiance of God with logic, when following God is the exact opposite. God asks you to have faith, while the devil promotes logic. With logic, anything can be justified, and with logic even lies make sense. The principal of Gods rules is whats important, not how you THINK they arn't today.

I can show you how none of the Roman Holidays that are celebrated are approved of. Valentines day, as it's celebrated, is not even that big of a deal. The bigger deals are Christmas and Easter.

But are you absolutely sure you want to know?

But I can not show you - that is - you must seek, and you will find.

Because if I were to show you - you would be greatly offended. I have tried this, and found that by sharing it such hatred and vehemence against me that I am convinced it is a highly spiritual matter. It was for me when I researched - and continue to do so.

If you seek, and ask and obey - you WILL be shown truth - and not just about Valentines day. But all of them. For one man sits behind the approval of all of them.

I like you, and your style. We should be friends.

 

[Stravinsk]

Shows what you know. I have a girlfriend, and i love her very much. We are planning on getting married, and we both know we dont need some pagan day to show our love, because we already do it at random. Its not about heart, its about your emotions. You try and justify your defiance of God with logic, when following God is the exact opposite. God ask you to have faith, while the devil promotes logic. With logic, anything can be justified, and with logic even lies make sense. The principal of Gods rules is whats important, not how you THINK they arn't today.

Careful with knowledge. Do not use it to judge. If you have been given something - acknowledge the giver and do it with kindness, as it will not be heard with boasting.

 

[Stirleyyy]

Careful with knowledge. Do not use it to judge. If you have been given something - acknowledge the giver and do it with kindness, as it will not be heard with boasting.

I try. Part of me wants to help, another wants to not care, and another wants to defend myself from insults of others. I dont do it intentionally, but it is frustrating.

 

[Verve]

Its a joke of sorts.
My wife & I are mods on another popular Christian forum. A guy came along telling how he asked his wife for oral sex every day especially after he did something for her that he thought she would like. Since then it has degenerated into a joke in our house.

Ok... inside jokes are totally one of the fun parts of relationships for sure.

 

[JohnDB]

The judgement of others is not my call. If I am called, I can obey or not obey.

The reason it is hated:

The blind guide. A ravenous wolf. He defiled the temple by taking a false oath that was a gigantic lie.

The basket of the bread is lifted up. It is leavened - that is - it contains yeast. It is risen. In his OWN IMAGE - HE HAS RISEN.

This yeast is his teachings and doctrines.

His teachings have not come from the Messiah while Messiah was in the flesh. The teachings are from private revelation. And many eat his bread.

He claims to be the master builder and foundation layer - and in this he denies the Most Holy Elohym. And the people eat his bread.

He is not meek - His mouth is full of his boasts. And the people eat his bread.

He is a master deceiver - mixing lies with truth - to flatter those who cling to his words. And the people eat his bread.

He was delivered in a basket.

He consents to the death of the saints - beginning with crowned.

He consents to the death of the saints through his doctrine.

He is a rich young ruler who asked a question and turned away at the answer. The answer Messiah gave to him omitted a command. That command was "do not covet". He admits he cannot follow this command.

He claims he was blind and now sees.

He was given shelter by Rome.

None of what you have said is scripture.
None of what you have said has anything at all to do with me telling my wife that I love her by giving candy & flowers

 

[Stravinsk]

None of what you have said has anything at all to do with me telling my wife that I love her by giving candy & flowers

That's correct. I wasn't speaking of Valentines day in particular. I was answering a different question in this thread about the man who stands behind all the Roman Holidays and the Roman calendar.

None of what you have said is scripture.

What I wrote was meant for people to look at the scriptures themselves. One such Scripture is Genesis chapter 40. Another would be Acts chapter 6 through 8. And another, Zechariah chapter 5.

Satan always apposes Joshua, standing next to him. Zechariah 3. The problem is - because he is such a crafty liar - people do not recognize him.

 

[JohnDB]

OK. But this thread is about Valentines Day. There is another forum for preaching sermons. If we wanted to we would go to that forum to hear sermons about Valentines day. As it is you are being disrespectful & rude. Those participating in this thread haven't promoted anything sinful or even close to sinful. They were happy and celebrating the romantic unions that God has ordained. But then you came preaching....

 

[thomhughes]

So no one else got drunk and bitterly commented on other people's celebration of love?

Because I certainly didn't...

 

[Cute Tink]

Elder Scrolls: Skyrim and thin mints.

Awesome pairing.