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Im sorry if this thread has alreadly been posted, i wouldnt be surprised if it was because it is SUCH an important issue these days! But i am new to the forums so im not sure.

Anyway i just wanted to know peoples thoughts on vaccines. My children are not vaccinated and i would never vaccinate them. Vaccines cause all kinds of horrible things like allergies and autism and poisoning! And the fact that the government requires vaccinations is even morre reason to be suspicious of them! This is just one more reason for me to homeschool my children! This is my point of view on vaccines. What do other people hear think?
 
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Dr. Mercola has a well-balanced view on this I think, there is a lot of debate and new work on medical research because of the growing number of people involved and because some key instruments to assess body chemicals and activities have only recently become available,

and the internet has made it possible to hear opinions from sources big pharma can't easily silence.

I think you should take each vaccination on an individual basis.

I would think seriously about a tetanus vaccination because it is against a bacterium not a virus, and if there is any risk of contact with horses, sheep, cattle, dogs, cats, rats, guinea pigs, or chickens.

As always some kind of cost/benefit analysis is needed.
 
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thank you for the input! i dont like the ideas of vaccines at all, but i see the benefits of soemthing like tetanus! but the more dangerous vaccines seem to be for things that are easliy treatable or dont even get these days in the united states, it seems like a no brainer not to give these vaccines! thank you for the inforation i will def look into that!
 
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I just wanted to know peoples thoughts on vaccines. My children are not vaccinated and i would never vaccinate them. Vaccines cause all kinds of horrible things like allergies and autism and poisoning! And the fact that the government requires vaccinations is even morre reason to be suspicious of them! This is just one more reason for me to homeschool my children!

Since these conspiracy theories sprung up in the UK, Yellow Fever, Malaria, and other vaccinated diseases have appeared in an increasing number of outbreaks in public schools. However, autism in the UK is increasing at the same rate as it was before this autism paranoia set in.

You are endangering your children.

The government requires these vaccinations because it doesn't want to waste money cleaning up after outbreaks and hospitalizations due to your ignorance. Being afraid of your government is useless. Do NOT pass this fear on to your children, or they will make similarly dangerous decisions.

Also, how can you teach if you know nothing?
 
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Also, how can you teach if you know nothing?


that is very insulting. There is a lot of controversy surrounding vaccines, but the big pharmaceutical companies don't want people to question them, so it is difficult to get/spread information on the subject. Just because I have different views on vaccinations and their effects then you, it doesn't mean i know nothing.
 
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but the more dangerous vaccines seem to be for things that are easliy treatable or dont even get these days in the united states, it seems like a no brainer not to give these vaccines!

We don't get them because of these vaccines. I am a naturalist, take NO medication, and recover extremely quickly from colds and other sickness, but I insisted my daughter be vaccinated, even though her mother is the same way. I'm not letting a philosophical belief I have get in the way of her health.

There is a lot of controversy surrounding vaccines

From which scientists?

And I am sorry for insulting you. Stressful day.
 
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We don't get them because of these vaccines. I am a naturalist, take NO medication, and recover extremely quickly from colds and other sickness, but I insisted my daughter be vaccinated, even though her mother is the same way. I'm not letting a philosophical belief I have get in the way of her health.



From which scientists?

And I am sorry for insulting you. Stressful day.

its ok. thank you for your input, I'm always open to researching and learning more about this type of thing, and reading different points of view is helpful for this learning process of mine.
 
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I think you really should familiarise with the consensus view instead of taking what the opposition says at face value. I don't know a lot about the subject, but I had to read a (the?) paper that suggested a link between MMR vaccine and autism for one of my courses. It was three years ago, so I don't recall a lot of details, but I remember that the study was done on a very small and biased sample - poor scientific practice. If that paper is in any way representative of the evidence on your side, then I'd say you have no reason to worry about vaccines.
 
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Im sorry if this thread has alreadly been posted, i wouldnt be surprised if it was because it is SUCH an important issue these days! But i am new to the forums so im not sure.

Anyway i just wanted to know peoples thoughts on vaccines. My children are not vaccinated and i would never vaccinate them. Vaccines cause all kinds of horrible things like allergies and autism and poisoning! And the fact that the government requires vaccinations is even morre reason to be suspicious of them! This is just one more reason for me to homeschool my children! This is my point of view on vaccines. What do other people hear think?

There is no correlation between vaccination use and the incidence or risk of allergies, autism or poisoning. This is, however, a negative correlation between vaccination and the risk of your child coming down with diseases that we know can cause them both illness and death. The reason why the government requires vaccination is because it reduces the incidence of these diseases, and the larger the pool of those who are not vaccinationed, the greater the risk to the whole population.

There was a time in this country, not long ago, when Polio fear struck the country every summer, especially in big cities. Children were killed, paralyzed and entombed in lung machines in order to keep them alive. If you think those days cannot return if vaccinations are discontinued, you are very wrong.

If you have any fears about preservatives in vaccines, ensure your doctor only administers single-dose vaccines.
 
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I think you really should familiarise with the consensus view instead of taking what the opposition says at face value. I don't know a lot about the subject, but I had to read a (the?) paper that suggested a link between MMR vaccine and autism for one of my courses. It was three years ago, so I don't recall a lot of details, but I remember that the study was done on a very small and biased sample - poor scientific practice. If that paper is in any way representative of the evidence on your side, then I'd say you have no reason to worry about vaccines.

There are more recent papers which make use of hundreds or even thousands of subjects and they all show showing no correlation between autism and the MMR vaccine.
 
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its ok. thank you for your input, I'm always open to researching and learning more about this type of thing, and reading different points of view is helpful for this learning process of mine.

You might want to look up Polio. Also research just how the vast majority of vaccines work. They basically stimulate the immune system by giving weakened or dead disease organisms. That can mean some people should not be vacinated, those who are so weak already that even the weakened version could be deadly.

Sorry but I grew up when there are a dozen diseases that were common that are now all but unknown, at least in gut level my neighbor or friend had it terms. Most were usually not fatal or debilitating. But only not usually. Some of the common childhood diseases of my youth were veruy dangerous if caught by an adult. Polio was an exception, it was often crippling or fatal. Mumps could lead to sterility. And any of the rest could get serious complications.

Go back one more generation and smallpox was a real threat.
 
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Honestly, the anti-vaccination movement has to be (in my opinion) one of the dumbest and quite possibly most dangerous anti-whatever movements out there.

I’d like to address a few points and then bring up a few things for you to look into.

And the fact that the government requires vaccinations is even morre reason to be suspicious of them!
I’ve NEVER gotten this line of logic. NEVER. I mean, the government also requires schooling and health/cleanliness codes on water and food. Should you ignore or go to restaurants exclusively with health code violations just BECAUSE the government enforces said health codes? Should you drink dirty river water BECAUSE water companies and whatnot are required to deliver clean water? So why does the logic work on vaccines of all things?

this next one is from MorkandMindy

and the internet has made it possible to hear opinions from sources big pharma can't easily silence.
Big (X) is another thing I don’t get. I mean, the fact is, measles, mumps, diphtheria, polio, smallpox, etc are all gone or nearly completely gone. Isn’t that evidence enough on its own?

This ties in with
There is a lot of controversy surrounding vaccines, but the big pharmaceutical companies don't want people to question them, so it is difficult to get/spread information on the subject.
On the other hand, with all the people who like to promote fear of things and conspiracy, it’s so easy to simulate official controversy where there really isn’t any. Case in point, evolution and vaccines. The only recent resurgences of measles and a few others have come ONLY in places where parents didn’t vaccinate their kids! Unless you wish to think Big Pharma is also covering up all the normal cases of diseases nearly wiped out by vaccines. I mean, if you’re buying into big pharma conspiracy, why not go the whole 9 yards?

but the more dangerous vaccines seem to be for things that are easliy treatable or dont even get these days in the united states, it seems like a no brainer not to give these vaccines!
Which ones are you concerned about being ‘more dangerous’? And have you thought that maybe the reason people don’t get them is because the vast majority of people ARE vaccinated?

There are also several things you should look up:

the term “Herd Immunity”
http://press.thelancet.com/wakefieldretraction.pdf
(the paper they are referring to is pretty much THE primary austim/vaccine connection paper)


And normally, I don’t like to link to obviously biased sites like this one because it makes people a lot less likely to listen, but this one in particular at least lists every single source it uses along with a link at the bottom of the page (almost all go back to the CDC, so unless big pharma has them wrapped around their finger or something...)
Jenny McCarthy Body Count

Please pay specific attention to HIB, measles, rubella, and meningococcal disease (the trends on the rest do not seem to correlate to the dates they show particularly well).
Again, a word about the bias of that site: That site states that when actress Jenny McCarthy made her anti-vaccine position known, it got a lot of publicity, and encouraged many parents to stop vaccinating, and she is thus at least indirectly responsible for a great number of diseases and deaths that are preventable by vaccines that were unadministered. Hence the name of the site. But, surprisingly enough, the numbers on the diseases I mentioned do add up.

Metherion
 
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Im sorry if this thread has alreadly been posted, i wouldnt be surprised if it was because it is SUCH an important issue these days! But i am new to the forums so im not sure.

Anyway i just wanted to know peoples thoughts on vaccines. My children are not vaccinated and i would never vaccinate them. Vaccines cause all kinds of horrible things like allergies and autism and poisoning! And the fact that the government requires vaccinations is even morre reason to be suspicious of them! This is just one more reason for me to homeschool my children! This is my point of view on vaccines. What do other people hear think?
many of the sources that claim autism and poisoning have been proven to be fraudulent or wrong.

edit here is an article:http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62B41820100312
 
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Vaccines are not only medically useless but they are actually counterproductive and harmful.

All vaccines do is make viruses worse and more powerful and at the same time weaken your immune system by putting it out of commission.

See Red Queen Theory.

"In history and in evolution, progress is always a futile Sisyphean struggle...." -- Matt Ridley, zoologist, 1993

I would sooner seek medical treatment in the Temple of Apollo than take the government's corporate drugs.
 
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It is a myth that vaccinations are safe. Why did Japan ban the MMR jab? Government health chief revealed that a four year experiment with it has had serious financial (claims for damages) and human costs. Most of the claims for damages involve the MMR jab. In Japan a record number of children developed non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions after MMR.

Alternative health campaigner Jock Doubleday offered a $20,000 challenge to the head of any pharmaceutical company if they would "publicly drink a mixture of standard vaccine additive ingredients in the same amount as a six year old child is recommended to receive." To date, no Chief Executive of any pharmaceutical company has taken him up on the chance to claim the cash. Don't poison your child with mercury laced vaccines!
 
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Vaccines are not only medically useless but they are actually counterproductive and harmful.

All vaccines do is make viruses worse and more powerful and at the same time weaken your immune system by putting it out of commission.

See Red Queen Theory.

"In history and in evolution, progress is always a futile Sisyphean struggle...." -- Matt Ridley, zoologist, 1993

I would sooner seek medical treatment in the Temple of Apollo than take the government's corporate drugs.
okay so we now know you <staff edit> think that vaccines don't work, yeah thats why no one in the last 50 years has got polio or small pox.

you wanna try ask the folks with the last vials of small pox if you can have one? you want to test your theory?
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or do you feel good for bashing my fathers humanitarian effort to rid the bloody world of polio!

"In history and in evolution, progress is always a futile Sisyphean struggle...." -- Matt Ridley, zoologist, 1993
he is right it is a sisyphean struggle, it isn't as much as one as the struggle of you keep your head out of your <staff edit>.
 
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Im sorry if this thread has alreadly been posted, i wouldnt be surprised if it was because it is SUCH an important issue these days! But i am new to the forums so im not sure.

Anyway i just wanted to know peoples thoughts on vaccines. My children are not vaccinated and i would never vaccinate them. Vaccines cause all kinds of horrible things like allergies and autism and poisoning! And the fact that the government requires vaccinations is even morre reason to be suspicious of them! This is just one more reason for me to homeschool my children! This is my point of view on vaccines. What do other people hear think?

Wrong, and idiotic!

The vaccines /autism link has been disproven countless times. However the diseases that vaccines prevent cause brain damage, blindness, deafness, and all kinds of lovely things.

I've never yet met a normal home-schooler, but I'm not discounting the possibility taht they can exist.

Basically, failing to vaccinate is foolish and selfish.
 
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