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Vaccines

Split Rock

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Thanks for your suggestion, but I guarantee that my children will be disease-free as a result of their cleanliness, better food and safe drinking water. ;)
I agree that these were important factors in reducing the incidence of many diseases. However, to deny that vaccines share in this result, is frankly to deny both history and our basic understanding of the immune system.
 
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Im sorry if this thread has alreadly been posted, i wouldnt be surprised if it was because it is SUCH an important issue these days! But i am new to the forums so im not sure.

Anyway i just wanted to know peoples thoughts on vaccines. My children are not vaccinated and i would never vaccinate them. Vaccines cause all kinds of horrible things like allergies and autism and poisoning! And the fact that the government requires vaccinations is even morre reason to be suspicious of them! This is just one more reason for me to homeschool my children! This is my point of view on vaccines. What do other people hear think?
Better allergies than death.
 
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Alternative health campaigner Jock Doubleday offered a $20,000 challenge to the head of any pharmaceutical company if they would "publicly drink a mixture of standard vaccine additive ingredients in the same amount as a six year old child is recommended to receive." To date, no Chief Executive of any pharmaceutical company has taken him up on the chance to claim the cash. Don't poison your child with mercury laced vaccines!

Looks like his challenge is as bogus as Kent Hovinds.
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Measles Resurgence Tied To Parents' Vaccine Fears : NPR

The first recognized infections — in two Canadians and a visiting American — occurred around the Olympic closing ceremonies. "Downtown Vancouver was shoulder-to-shoulder on many days of that period," notes Dr. Monika Naus of the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control.

So far, measles has spread to 16 people in Vancouver, Naus says. Half of them are in one large unvaccinated household. The parents reject vaccination.

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In the end, the San Diego outbreak was confined to a dozen children. No big deal, you might think — except that it upended a lot of lives, and the county spent $10,000 for each of those cases in order to keep the virus from spreading more widely. That, and the fact that more than 95 percent of the general population was immune, kept the outbreak far more limited than the previous San Diego measles outbreak in 1991, when there were 1,000 cases and three deaths.

Afterward, Waters and her colleagues looked into who the vaccine refusers were and what their attitudes toward vaccination were.

They're college educated, higher-income and believers in the power of a "natural" lifestyle — things like organic food and prolonged breast-feeding — to keep their children's immunity strong enough to ward off vaccine-preventable diseases.

And they just don't believe it when government officials like Karen Waters say vaccines don't cause autism.

"It is wrapped up in their attitudes about government," Waters says. "I don't think they think I'm the enemy. I think they think I'm well-intended but misinformed."

Many communities have pockets of vaccine refusers. So the United States and other countries with growing numbers of "intentionally unvaccinated" people are likely to see more outbreaks.
 
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Bill Gates know something about an ulterior motive behind the vaccination push.. Using good goals for hidden agenda?
 
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Bill Gates know something about an ulterior motive behind the vaccination push.. Using good goals for hidden agenda?

At first, the video did throw me off with Bill Gates' comments until I find out more about demographic transition. Basically, as population death rates decrease through better vaccines, better pre and post-natal child care, better drugs, cleaner water, etc, birth rates decrease. What seems to happen is that when death rates, particularly child death rates, are high, people overcompensate by having more children, MANY more children, in fact. This seems like an evolutionary trait to assure survival of your genes by making sure you always have "spare" progeny to pass them on.

Thanks for the video. I ended up learning something new and interesting that unsurprisingly in sociology and biology seems to tie back to evolution.
 
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The article is very interesting as it suggests a possible link between some mitochondrial disorders, autism, and vaccines. Maybe a test for mt disorders would be advisable before giving your kid vaccines, just to lower the risk of possible complications.

I hope there's very thorough testing as an incorrect or alarmist verdict could bring back some of the worst diseases in human history.

Edit: Wait a second... this is from 2008. What happened to the case??
 
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He sounds like real impartial reporter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kirby_(journalist)

What, no coverage from Jenny McCarthy on this case?

=sandwiches]Edit: Wait a second... this is from 2008. What happened to the case??

I'm guessing nothing. But I would like to see what these supposed findings were.

eta - AP story from 2008. Analysis: Vaccine-autsim link unproven.
Analysis: Vaccine-autism link unproven - Boston.com

Hannah Poling on Wikipedia redirects to Vaccine Court.
Vaccine court - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"On March 13, 2010, the court ruled in three test cases that thiomersal-containing vaccines do not cause autism. The test cases were among the strongest for this theory. Special Master Hastings concluded, "The overall weight of the evidence is overwhelmingly contrary to the petitioners' causation theories.""
 
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Great A long list of PRATTS. Here are some of the more onerous ones:

"There is no scientific study to determine whether vaccines have really prevented diseases"
Really? I thought such studies went back to Jenner's work with cowpox vaccines back in 1796.

"ALL THE VACCINE INGREDIENTS ARE EXTREMELY TOXIC IN NATURE"
Really? I guess we must all be dead then.

"The mercury, aluminum and live viruses in vaccines is behind the huge epidemic of autism (1 in 10 worldwide as per doctors in the USA), a fact that has been admitted by the US Vaccine Court. "
Really? The truth is there is NO causal link between anything in vaccines and autism.

"Nearly all children become fully autistic after the MMR shot."
This is just a load of bull.

"Many doctors argue that diseases during childhood are due to the body exercising its immune system."
Really? I guess we can just throw the Germ Theory of Medicine out along with all those other pesky scientific theories like the heliocentrism, gravity and evolution.

"It has been scientifically proven that vaccines cannot prevent disease"
Really? I would love to see the peer-reviewed literature that shows this gem.

I guess any idiot can put garbage up on a website and someone will site it.
 
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