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After over 30 years of research on these and HUNDREDS OF OTHER ABORTED FETAL CELL LINES, Hayflick concluded in another 1997 report that the effort to achieve immortality was futile. [19]
New Aborted Fetal Cell Lines Underway
So, what happens when the current cell lines expire? One might assume that the logical step would be to use an ethical source to replace them; however, that is not the case. Realizing that WI-38 was rapidly approaching its finite lifespan, the Coriell Institute for Medical Research signed an agreement with the National Institute on Aging to establish and bank new fetal cell lines for future replacement of existing fetal cell lines. It was the implicit intention of the researchers to establish this new fetal cell line for future vaccine production. Writes Dr. Christine Beiswanger, PhD, Assistant Director and Associate Professor for Coriell:
The cell line developed at Coriell, identified as IMR-90 was the first of several lines planned in support of NIA research programs...IMR-90 was developed and characterized in such a way as to parallel WI-38 as closely as possible to minimize the variables in replacing WI-38 within ongoing laboratory programs ... The IMR-90 cell line, like WI-38 was derived from the lung tissue of a human female embryo following therapeutic abortion ...Since the goal of establishing this cell line was a replacement for WI-38 in vaccine production, virus yields were compared for IMR-90, WI-38 and MRC-5 for a number of different viruses including varicella zoster, herpes simplex, vesicular stomatitits virus and cytomegalovirus. [20]
If you want to read more, here is the website:http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccinetruth.htm
New Aborted Fetal Cell Lines Underway
So, what happens when the current cell lines expire? One might assume that the logical step would be to use an ethical source to replace them; however, that is not the case. Realizing that WI-38 was rapidly approaching its finite lifespan, the Coriell Institute for Medical Research signed an agreement with the National Institute on Aging to establish and bank new fetal cell lines for future replacement of existing fetal cell lines. It was the implicit intention of the researchers to establish this new fetal cell line for future vaccine production. Writes Dr. Christine Beiswanger, PhD, Assistant Director and Associate Professor for Coriell:
The cell line developed at Coriell, identified as IMR-90 was the first of several lines planned in support of NIA research programs...IMR-90 was developed and characterized in such a way as to parallel WI-38 as closely as possible to minimize the variables in replacing WI-38 within ongoing laboratory programs ... The IMR-90 cell line, like WI-38 was derived from the lung tissue of a human female embryo following therapeutic abortion ...Since the goal of establishing this cell line was a replacement for WI-38 in vaccine production, virus yields were compared for IMR-90, WI-38 and MRC-5 for a number of different viruses including varicella zoster, herpes simplex, vesicular stomatitits virus and cytomegalovirus. [20]
If you want to read more, here is the website:http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccinetruth.htm
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Ok so we've broken some ground as to the aborted fetus thing. The next question is this: why would you want to put that in your child? I cannot fathom it. I don't remember what I was doing, or when this took place, but I remember God asking me one day, do you trust Me, or do you trust in the works of men? That right there made up my mind for me. Some people call me crazy, some people think I'm "endangering all of America." I look it as I am protecting my two precious gifts of God. Why fix it if it ain't broke? God gave us land to grow vegetables and what did we do? We toxified it with pestisides and fertilizers. For what it's worth, I don't trust the government. I would rather put the lives and health of my children into God's hands, then to put them into human hands. We've already screwed so much up, it's just going to get worse from here.
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to insinuate that I or others who vaccinate their children do not trust God is so...vile. I trust God fully and know that God expects me to do my part in taking care of my children.
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/MOD HAT ON
Let's keep this discussion free from insinuating those making the opposite choice from us are in anyway less holy or worse parents. We are all trying to discern what is best for our children and to fulfill the will of God in our lives!
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Let's keep this discussion free from insinuating those making the opposite choice from us are in anyway less holy or worse parents. We are all trying to discern what is best for our children and to fulfill the will of God in our lives!
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I apologize for the way I worded my last post. I in no way intended to make parents who vax feel like they've done something wrong. Shannon thank you for pointing out my rudeness. Please forgive me, but I feel that I deserve the same respect as the person who does vax. Also, I did not intend to reflect that anyone who vax doesn't trust God. I apologize for that assumption. My choice not to vaccinate was one made after much prayer and a lot of reading and research. Something any parent would want to do. I figured that if I was going to read 25 books on HAVING a baby, I should at least read some on vaccinations as well, because they are a big part of a child's life. Again I do apologize. I hope that there are no hard feelings. I will depart myself from this thread.
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I also apologize about the wording of my post. I've nearly lost some very important people in my life from their having contracted illnesses that we now have vaccines for, and it hurts to think that when we have the chance to get rid of these diseases, that we're not doing so.
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its interesting that there were many posts in this thread that condemned people who have not vax, but nobody asked them to stop judging us. I chose not to vacinate I researched it and believe strongly that I did the right thing for my child. In our state there is exemptions nobody can make you immunize your children and I would be very upset if they did.
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