Vaccinations

[jazzbird]

I just bumped it for you.

 

[sara elizabeth]

Just a note on the info regarding the ingredients in vaccinations. If you will call directly to Merck, one of the major drug companies, they will give you this information. Under the right to information act they are required by law to send it to anyone who requests it. We got a manilla evelope full of information.

There are three cell lines developed from aborted fetal tissue. Two have been used in developing vaccinations, the third has not been used at this time.

Another interesting thing I found out from Merk's info. is that most of these immunizations have not been tested or are not recommended for use in children under 1 yr.

The number for Merck can be found here.
http://www.merck.com/contact/

 

[Leanna]

The only reason some parents can NOT vaccinate their children are because everyone else around them has had it and are protecting that child. I think every child should be vaccinated and not put my child or any other child at risk.

 

[Katydid]

You know, I was just thinking about this. By not vaccinating you are limiting the career choices your child will have in the future. Military, nursing, medical professions, all these NEED to have vaccines and are required. Does anyone do research on the effects of massive amounts of vaccines as an adult, as some of these children may need to "catch up" on these vaccinations in the future.

 

[Cool CD]

A lot of vaccines require booster shots so if you wait until an adult you catch up easily and just missed the stuff entering your system as a kid.

 

[jazzbird]

The only reason some parents can NOT vaccinate their children are because everyone else around them has had it and are protecting that child. I think every child should be vaccinated and not put my child or any other child at risk.

But what if one believes that they are putting their own child at risk by vaccinating? Honestly, at this point, we do not know where we stand on vaccinations. There are possible negative outcomes whether you vaccinate or not. I guess you just have to determine what you believe the lesser of two evils to be.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

You know, I was just thinking about this. By not vaccinating you are limiting the career choices your child will have in the future. Military, nursing, medical professions, all these NEED to have vaccines and are required. Does anyone do research on the effects of massive amounts of vaccines as an adult, as some of these children may need to "catch up" on these vaccinations in the future.

Vaccines were actually not created to be given to babies....

In Japan, where children are not vaccinated until age two, there are far fewer complications.

A baby's immune system is so immature! The idea of slamming a 24 hour old witha vaccination for a disease they can only get through fluid to fluid transmission (Hep B)-- just seems outrageous to me. My understanding is that the current US schedule for vaccines is set up the way it is because there is a steep fall off rate for parents taking their children to the doctor--and so the idea is "to get 'em while we got 'em". That ensures the largest number of vaccinated, but wouldn't it also have the same assurance if children need to be vaccinated before school, anyway.

We must recognize that the politics of vaccines are not solely centered around children's well being-- but also around financial concerns. (Chicken pox is vaccinated against mainly so parents do not have to miss work). This is one of those unfortunate areas of health where there are many, many people who profit from widespread vaccinating (and vaccinating is very probably the right and responsible thing to do)- but we must not mistake their powerful lobbying interest for a true interest in public health.

 

[MERCY@GRACE]

I don't have a link, but kids today are getting twice(not sure on the accurate #'s) as many shots as we did in the 70's. It is being suggested this is one of the reasons for some reactions, such as seizures and death! I am not "anti-vax" I think each parent needs to research and prayerfully make the decision! Here's an interesting link for immunization "myths"


http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/18/vaccine_myths.htm

 

[Cool CD]

You know, I was just thinking about this. By not vaccinating you are limiting the career choices your child will have in the future. Military, nursing, medical professions, all these NEED to have vaccines and are required. Does anyone do research on the effects of massive amounts of vaccines as an adult, as some of these children may need to "catch up" on these vaccinations in the future.

Your child can get any vaccine needed as an adult if it is required for a job. It is true the military requires many vaccines. There have been some complications too.

 

[MERCY@GRACE]

We are also military(dad was AF and now married to an Army man,) and there are ways around it. I once heard of a couple who was moving overseas and were told that their kids couldn't go unless vax'd! Once they started showing them their rights (as parents) and threatened to get "others" involved, they backed off! Many ppl don't know about the exemptions,and get told false info, or bullied into making decions against their wishes! Whether the general public thinks it's crazy not to get vax'd or not,ppl still have a right to accept or decline medical procedures!

 

[Katydid]

We are also military(dad was AF and now married to an Army man,) and there are ways around it. I once heard of a couple who was moving overseas and were told that their kids couldn't go unless vax'd! Once they started showing them their rights (as parents) and threatened to get "others" involved, they backed off! Many ppl don't know about the exemptions,and get told false info, or bullied into making decions against their wishes! Whether the general public thinks it's crazy not to get vax'd or not,ppl still have a right to accept or decline medical procedures!

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! But, that is not what I meant when I was speaking of the military.

THE CHILDREN of soldiers CAN get exemptions. THE SOLDIERS THEMSELVES CANNOT.

When I mentioned the military, it was as a career option that would not be available to a child who was not immunized. But, you are right, that even children of soldiers CAN get exemptions, but I would be leary of using it considering all the things my husband could possibly be bringing back from all those strange places that he goes to.

 

[newcreature]

http://www.healthy.net/vaccine/

I found this site to be very helpful. It covers everything from possible long term effects to homeopathic options for vaccinations.

 

[Punkymom]

I have not read all the posts here...however, as a parent who does not vaccinate, I thought I would share my view point. I have 2 children. A daughter, 3 and a son, 1. Both are in daycare, neither have had their vaccinations. I read the book Immunization Theory VS Reality. The main thing I want to comment on is this. IF the vaccinations that so many have grown to trust in have done their job, then parents who have had their children vaccinated have nothing to worry about when they play with children who have not been vaccinated.

 

[selune]

I have not read all the posts here...however, as a parent who does not vaccinate, I thought I would share my view point. I have 2 children. A daughter, 3 and a son, 1. Both are in daycare, neither have had their vaccinations. I read the book Immunization Theory VS Reality. The main thing I want to comment on is this. IF the vaccinations that so many have grown to trust in have done their job, then parents who have had their children vaccinated have nothing to worry about when they play with children who have not been vaccinated.

No vaccination is 100%. Even the smallpox one wasn't, BUT if everyone does get vaccinated then there is no chance for anyone to get the disease. Smallpox is gone now because EVERYONE at the time was immunized. So very sad when people are willing to put other people at risk because of their choice. This to me is far worse than the whole second hand smoke issue which so many people find intolerable.

 

[Punkymom]

Actually, smallpox dissapeared because people STOPPED letting their children get the shot:


Ten year period ending % of babies vax small pox deaths (per mil)
1881-----------------------96.5------------------3708
1891-----------------------82.1------------------933
1901-----------------------67.9------------------437
1911-----------------------67.6------------------395
1921-----------------------42.3------------------12
1931-----------------------43.1------------------25
1941-----------------------39.9------------------1

The government is using our children as guinea pigs. They are testing them on our children and as they get reports of reactions and deaths (which they keep secret, BTW) they adjust it as needed. However, here is something else you may not know: in order to lower the toxicity of the vaccine to make it into a "safe" dose for humans, the vaccine is ran through animal tissue including the tissue of aborted fetuses. Now, as a christian I do not agree with abortion...even if it means making a vaccine.

 

[newcreature]

So very sad when people are willing to put other people at risk because of their choice. This to me is far worse than the whole second hand smoke issue which so many people find intolerable.

You know what is even sadder, the fact that one would make such a comment about anothers choices! Most of the people that choose to not vaccinate their children, do so after thoroughly educating themselves. Granted both sides are biased to some degree, but one must truly weigh the pros and cons of each before making a decision of this nature.

 

[Katydid]

the vaccine is ran through animal tissue including the tissue of aborted fetuses. Now, as a christian I do not agree with abortion...even if it means making a vaccine.

Could you please post a link that shows this?

 

[newcreature]

Katydid, I found this for you. Tell me what you think after reading some of these links.

http://web.ask.com/web?q=Is+aborted+fetal+tissue+used+to+make+vaccinations&qsrc=0&o=0

Elaine

 

[Katydid]

wow, well, I am definately going to have to read more of that. It will also depend on how it is aborted though. A miscarriage, in medical terms is a form of abortion. I don't know though. Give me some time and I will come back.

 

[selune]

For what it's worth, the tissue that is used is from about 30 or more years ago. The cell lines are several generations removed from the original tissue.