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using one another/contraception
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Cromulent
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You have been told before that:
1- Divorce, with no kids involved, is perfectly fine, much better than two people who don't love each other staying together anyway.
2- NFP is less effective than contraception. Therefore it leads to more kids. Therefore it leads to more parents "staying together for the kids", quite possibly very unhappy with the situation.
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Whoah honey we had a fight time to bust out the divorce papers! Till death do us part or when you want me to rake the leaves! Tell me, would you play a game of golf with your mother?
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Cromulent
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I said "fights", not "a fight". If a couple are constantly throwing plates and roaring their heads off at each other, it's probably not a happy marriage.
Tell me, would you play a game of golf with your mother?
Yes, I do, regularly. She's quite good. Is there a point to this?
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what is the correlation between this sort of attitude of non-committment/divorce and depression?
it sounds like we agree that NFP decreases the divorce rate. (the Lerner survey found a .2% divorce rate)
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I don't know
do you mean loveless of lustless?
(I am not meaning to depreciate in any way the vast importance of sex, sexual desire, or related in marriage)
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Cromulent
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I meant loveless.
My point was that if a couple use contraception don't have kids, then fall out of love, they're free to divorce and move on, no harm done.
If a couple forego contraception, do have kids, then fall out of love, they're left either raising a kid in two broken homes, or else being trapped with somebody they no longer love on account of the child. Neither of them is ideal, for anybody concerned.
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truthHurts77
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the CatholicChurch did not "give in" - it has always been the Church's position that sex is for procreation AND intimacy. this shows your ignorance of history of the Church but i am not suprised... most non CAtholics and even many catholics are uninformed about that
for another thing, artif contraception is NOT safe... condoms are defective from the factory... have microscopic holes in them... and sometimes they break.
all the other methods that i can think of cause early abortion
The Church speaks for God - and condemns artif b control...
too bad few listen... even those inside the Church
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I see. You are worried that in the absence of contraception marriage may become a grave matter?
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Many people do in fact feel that way. I totally disagree with that sentiment, though.
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The whole religious idea of marriage is completely set up for failure today. Back when the wife was property, it worked out alright. You didn't want a used wife, so you could be sure any kids she had were your own, they tended to be expensive with the dowry, and the familial ties it created matter more than anyone's happiness.
Nowadays, people expect you to not ever live with your fiance before hand (making it impossible to really get to know them, and to know if you can really stand living with them for the rest of your life) not to know if you're sexually compatible, and on top of that, make it where you can't split apart once you discover those incompatibilities, and to further complicate things, take away contraception to ensure that even if you can't stand each other, you need to stay together so the kids don't suffer.
It's pretty ludicrous.
Nowadays, people expect you to not ever live with your fiance before hand (making it impossible to really get to know them, and to know if you can really stand living with them for the rest of your life) not to know if you're sexually compatible, and on top of that, make it where you can't split apart once you discover those incompatibilities, and to further complicate things, take away contraception to ensure that even if you can't stand each other, you need to stay together so the kids don't suffer.
It's pretty ludicrous.
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