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It relates to the self control bit.
how so? surely we all agree that Christians are given a power to control themselves. i
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The Church merely has a different future time orientation than you do. The world ends when you die; the Church must abide until the final judgment. And the modern sexual fashions of today will seem just as ridiculous tomorrow, as the peculiarities of the Victorians seem to us. Chemical barreness and the Divine Sisterhood of Career Orientated Spinsters is not a viable way to sustain a people.
Although this is not the reason for the Church's position: it merely the historical setting that will vindicate it.
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Also, as far as this 'full gift of self' goes, when I get married I would prefer to marry someone who had at least a few partners in the past this way she would know fun techniques, now approaches, and just in general good experience of sex. In addition it would ensure she would know what sex is like and not have regrets or thoughts of what it would be like with another that she would not be able to fulfill.
Since she is not actually ruined by sex, but having two or three partners only makes her better, the full gift of self should include some sex history.
Since she is not actually ruined by sex, but having two or three partners only makes her better, the full gift of self should include some sex history.
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what do you think?
I think that it means not holding anything back, but sharing one's whole self and natural state of fertility or infertility
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I don't agree that Christians are given any 'special powers', if that's what you mean.
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Sounds like a romanticised theory. Its ok as far as it goes, perhaps it enhances some relationships like a love song. But I wouldn't treat it as axiomatic or sacred in all cases, expecially when we need to lighten up and laugh at ourselves.
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Self-control involves a purpose. There is something one wants to accomplish that requires self-control, otherwise one might fail in one's purpose.
It may be that those Christians no longer view the purpose of sex in the same way that you do. Perhaps they differ with you on the subject of what a "full gift of self" entails, or they may find other purposes for sex.
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That's not what I would have thought. The "sharing one's whole self" sounds at least reasonable, but I can't imagine why you would include one's "natural state of fertility or infertility".
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I think this concept touches on a fundamental difference between persons in this thread. Some believe that fertility and the making of children is an essential part of who we are. That its one of our purposes in life. I happen to disagree. I feel that having children is just one of many choices we have throughout our lives. I choose to be an artist. I choose to have rescued greyhounds. I choose not to have children. Ditto the hermit, the nun, the priest. They all choose not to have children too. And although each of us has different reasons for our choices, the end result is that there are a bunch of us who don't feel that fertility has anything to do with our lives, or with our "natural self."
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There are many purposes of sex, but I would say the most simple of them all would be to satisfy an urge.
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"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
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