Uses of Creationist Science

[MrGoodBytes]

http://en.KJV.Psalm14:1

A broken link to a doubtlessly completely unrelated bible quote? Count me convinced!

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would they have died of exposure if the world was a paradise? And wouldn't their parents have taken care of them?

Um --- parents?

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Um --- parents?

Make that a singular, and he has quite a point.

 

[JohnR7]

A broken link to a doubtlessly completely unrelated bible quote? Count me convinced!

I would not say that Bible passage is unrelated to what goes on here.

Psalm 14:1-7
For the choir director.
A Psalm of David.
The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds;
There is no one who does good.
[2] The Lord has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men,
To see if there are any who understand,
Who seek after God.
[3] They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt;
There is no one who does good, not even one.

[4] Do all the workers of wickedness not know,
Who eat up my people as they eat bread,
And do not call upon the Lord?
[5] There they are in great dread,
For God is with the righteous generation.
[6] You would put to shame the counsel of the afflicted,
But the Lord is his refuge.

[7] Oh, that the salvation of Israel would come out of Zion!
When the Lord restores His captive people,
Jacob will rejoice, Israel will be glad.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

I would not say that Bible passage is unrelated to what goes on here.

Psalm 14:1-7
The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."
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And the wise men obviously say "No matter what you show me, I will stick to my self-contradicting interpretation of bronze age folklore as a means to understand the world."

 

[Abongil]

And this is a major point of disagreement with me. I don't believe in a history beyond 6000 years. Age, yes. History, no.

dont you think it is an amazing coincidence that written language started appearing 6000 years ago? Imagine how long you would have to have spoken language before you had written language.

 

[AV1611VET]

And the wise men obviously say "No matter what you show me, I will stick to my self-contradicting interpretation of bronze age folklore as a means to understand the world."

No --- wise men still seek Him.

[bible]Matthew 2:1-2[/bible]

 

[cerad]

Um --- parents?

You know, mother fathers that sort of thing. Surely God would not have created orphans?

 

[AV1611VET]

You know, mother fathers that sort of thing. Surely God would not have created orphans?

I'm sorry --- I'm totally lost here --- are you a Mormon? I think they believe that Adam and Eve had parents - (albeit on another planet). I'm not sure.

 

[nvxplorer]

Do you believe death is a big part of natural selection, and do you believe that prior to the Fall there was no death?

Whether anything died before the Fall is irrelevant to my point.

What would have happened to a rabbit if Adam cut off its head? Would it have continued to live? Adam may have never killed a rabbit, but because of free will, he had the ability to do so. Note the italicized word. It is key to the point I'm making.

You mentioned fruit earlier (as does the Bible), therefore, plants flowered and produced seed prior to the Fall. Do you believe reproduction is a part of natural selection? What happened when different plant species competed for resources? Better yet, what would have happened if Adam uprooted and burned an entire species of plant?

What I'm pointing out is that there was no theoretical barrier to natural selection before the Fall. You can claim devine intervention in negating Adam's potential actions, but that would be the only way to counteract natural selection. As I stated before, this would pose a problem for free will. If Adam decided he didn't like rose bushes, and decided to burn them all, God would be violating Adam's will if He simply recreated roses. If God acted in such a manner, it becomes problematic to explain why God would intervene againt the will of a human in saving roses, but did nothing to save the human himself.

 

[cerad]

I'm sorry --- I'm totally lost here --- are you a Mormon? I think they believe that Adam and Eve had parents - (albeit on another planet). I'm not sure.

Well of course they would have had embedded parents. Is that not your whole point? Though it is kind of strange that while you agree that A&E had parents, you seem to insist that A&E had no belly buttons.

 

[Herman Hedning]

Well of course they would have had embedded parents. Is that not your whole point? Though it is kind of strange that while you agree that A&E had parents, you seem to insist that A&E had no belly buttons.

Maybe they had embedded belly buttons?

 

[AV1611VET]

dont you think it is an amazing coincidence that written language started appearing 6000 years ago? Imagine how long you would have to have spoken language before you had written language.

No --- in view of the fact that Adam wrote the first three chapters of Genesis.

 

[theFijian]

No --- in view of the fact that Adam wrote the first three chapters of Genesis.

Can you cite some scholars who would back up this 'interesting' claim?

 

[JohnR7]

bronze age folklore

The Bible is neolithic (agriculture revolution) the bronze age came later. Although if your looking at something like England, we can assume the people who went to England to mine the tin and copper were the same people who brought farming to England.

The Bible is a valuable historical record of what people were thinking and what life was like back in the bronze age though. We learn a lot more from the Bible then we learn from looking at the little peices of pottery that they find on archeology digs.

 

[JohnR7]

Can you cite some scholars who would back up this 'interesting' claim?

Why don't you interview the snake. He was there in the garden, so perhaps you can get a inside line of things from him

 

[rmwilliamsll]

No --- in view of the fact that Adam wrote the first three chapters of Genesis.

curious claim.
the main message of Genesis 1 is the Sabbath Week. Yet there is no discussion of Adam or any of the patriarches keeping the Sabbath. Not until Exodus is the Sabbath mentioned again. The best literary explanation is that Genesis 1 was written at nearly the same time as Exodus 6 and is a projecton back in time of the crucial Sabbath doctrine. If Adam had written Gen 1 he would have used his keeping of the sabbath and Cain's breaking of it as major motifs as occurs in the prophets crying out against Israel in the divine lawsuit that they did not keep the Sabbath. There is just silence, a deafening silence given the important of the Sabbath, even Jesus is deeply tied to the Sabbath of Sabbath, the Jubilee, both his first sermon and his geneologies point to that point.

 

[AV1611VET]

What would have happened to a rabbit if Adam cut off its head?

I don't know what would have happened, but I know what wouldn't have happened --- death.

Look at it this way: in the New Heaven and the New Earth, when death is completely done away with, what would happen then?

Again we have no idea.

Even in the Tribulation, we read this:

[bible]Revelation 9:6[/bible]

Would it have continued to live? Adam may have never killed a rabbit, but because of free will, he had the ability to do so. Note the italicized word. It is key to the point I'm making.

No he didn't --- he didn't have the ability to do something that didn't exist. He couldn't fly, he couldn't time travel, and he couldn't kill.

I know people are so gung-ho to interpret things scientifically (darkness = absence of light, death = absence of life, sin = absence of obedience, etc.), but it leads to an incorrect interpretation of Scripture.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No --- in view of the fact that Adam wrote the first three chapters of Genesis.

Say what?

 

[Hydra009]

Why don't you interview the snake. He was there in the garden, so perhaps you can get a inside line of things from him

Hmmm...asking a talking snake about whether or not "Man" or "Earth" wrote the first part of the Bible - that's not exaclty the methodology for supporting assertions I had in mind.

Can either you or the originator of the claim support it at all?