Uses of Creationist Science

[Nathan Poe]

I don't know what would have happened, but I know what wouldn't have happened --- death.

Poor bunny.

 

[TheBellman]

Still waiting to hear how it is that trees have rings showing up to 11,000 years of age, when they were created without rings 6,000 years ago.

 

[dawiyd]

Still waiting to hear how it is that trees have rings showing up to 11,000 years of age, when they were created without rings 6,000 years ago.

Embedded age.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Embedded age.

A pointless deception.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you cite some scholars who would back up this 'interesting' claim?

I believe that came from The Signature of God/The Handwriting of God by Grant R. Jeffrey.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible is a valuable historical record of what people were thinking and what life was like back in the bronze age though.

I cringe when I see that word in another translation. Not once does the word 'bronze' appear in the King James.

 

[nvxplorer]

I don't know what would have happened, but I know what wouldn't have happened --- death.

When a rabbit is decapitated, it dies. When a rose bush is burned, it is turned into ash. Pretty basic stuff.

No he didn't --- he didn't have the ability to do something that didn't exist. He couldn't fly, he couldn't time travel, and he couldn't kill.

Killing is a willful act, the ability of which humans possess. Killing isn't something that "exists." It's somethig that is done. But I guess Adam didn't have free will afterall. Thanks for clearing that up.

I know people are so gung-ho to interpret things scientifically (darkness = absence of light, death = absence of life, sin = absence of obedience, etc.), but it leads to an incorrect interpretation of Scripture.

That's not science. That's language. Indeed, it appears language has to be mangled for certain interpretations to be made.

 

[JohnR7]

Still waiting to hear how it is that trees have rings showing up to 11,000 years of age, when they were created without rings 6,000 years ago.

Simple tree rings are a indication of wet and dry seasons. So you can have two or three rings a year in very dry places.
Even in a wet climate if there is a drought you will have two rings for that year.

"11,000" year old trees grow in very dry areas where you can get more then one ring per year.
So the number of rings is not always a indication of the exact age of the tree.

 

[AV1611VET]

curious claim.
the main message of Genesis 1 is the Sabbath Week. Yet there is no discussion of Adam or any of the patriarches keeping the Sabbath.

God works on a timetable. There evidently was no need for the sabbath as a law until they received it in Exodus 20.

The flip side of that is the death penalty. It was not done away with when the Dispensation of Law ended, because it was instituted outside of the Law - (in Genesis 9 - not Exodus 20).

When Cain killed his brother, God did not call for the death penalty on him, as there was never an injunction against murder given by God yet.

Paul says it best:

[bible]Romans 5:13[/bible]

 

[AV1611VET]

Say what?

It is believed by some scholars, including myself, that Adam wrote Genesis 1 - 3; Seth (?) wrote Genesis 4-5; Noah wrote Genesis 6-10; Peleg (?) wrote Genesis 11; Abraham wrote Genesis 12-25; etc.; with Moses compiling, not authoring, the entire book.

The various authors' writings were separated by colophons - (literary devices that link writings together) - in the form of genealogies.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can either you or the originator of the claim support it at all?

q.v. Post 145

 

[AV1611VET]

Poor bunny.

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[bible]Luke 22:50-51[/bible]

 

[AV1611VET]

Still waiting to hear how it is that trees have rings showing up to 11,000 years of age, when they were created without rings 6,000 years ago.

Enjoy the wait --- and while you're waiting --- you tell me how it was done if this universe has only been in operation for 6000 years; and if it hasn't, which verse(s) in the Bible am I misinterpreting?

 

[AV1611VET]

A pointless deception.

I get the feeling that you consider much more than just Genesis 1 to be "pointless deception"; but that's another thread, I guess.

 

[Chalnoth]

Enjoy the wait --- and while you're waiting --- you tell me how it was done if this universe has only been in operation for 6000 years; and if it hasn't, which verse(s) in the Bible am I misinterpreting?

Why are you asking others to explain your beliefs?

 

[AV1611VET]

When a rabbit is decapitated, it dies. When a rose bush is burned, it is turned into ash. Pretty basic stuff.

I'd say so --- today.

Killing is a willful act, the ability of which humans possess. Killing isn't something that "exists." It's somethig that is done. But I guess Adam didn't have free will afterall. Thanks for clearing that up.

As I said, that "ability" you speak of didn't exist prior to the Fall. This is what you get when you interpret cause-and-effect events prior to the fall, by cause-and-effect events after the Fall - confusion.

In Genesis 1-3, cause-and-effect operated by another set of [divine] laws.

In fact, if you study the Bible all through, whenever God was physically in the area, cause-and-effect didn't operate quite like it did in His absence.

 

[Herman Hedning]

I cringe when I see that word in another translation. Not once does the word 'bronze' appear in the King James.

So, do you think bronze doesn't exist since it is not mentioned in KJV? It does mention brass and brasen a number of times, though. But that isn't good enough?

 

[AV1611VET]

Simple tree rings are a indication of wet and dry seasons. So you can have two or three rings a year in very dry places.
Even in a wet climate if there is a drought you will have two rings for that year.

"11,000" year old trees grow in very dry areas where you can get more then one ring per year.
So the number of rings is not always a indication of the exact age of the tree.

I'd bless you for that one, John, but you've got enough already.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why are you asking others to explain your beliefs?

Because he's gonna have a lot of time on his hands, and I'd hate to see anyone waste it frivolously.

(Actually, John was kind enough to help him out, so I'll withdraw my question to him.)

 

[AV1611VET]

So, do you think bronze doesn't exist since it is not mentioned in KJV?

No --- just because it isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It does mention brass and brasen a number of times, though. But that isn't good enough?

Brass is copper and zinc; bronze is copper and tin.