US swaps 5 Gitmo prisoners for US soldiers release, but many questions remain

[JustOneWay]

How about if the Mexican had a small arsenal?

He'd be arrested and you'd blame Obama.

In this case, they are already blaming Obama for not getting this soldier returned.

He faces lose/lose situations from his opposition every day.

 

[MachZer0]

He drove through a border crossing with an arsenal of weapons....which is illegal.

You call undocumented border crossers illegal without giving them the benefit of a trial.

Yes, a double standard it will remain.

I find it interesting that you know his intent. You must have exceptional mind reading skills.

He crossed unintentionally and made that clear

 

[MachZer0]

How about if the Mexican had a small arsenal?

He'd be arrested and you'd blame Obama.

So now there was an arsenal

 

[JustOneWay]

He crossed unintentionally and made that clear

In case you missed the details of the issue, he was not arrested for only crossing, he was arrested for the arsenal of weapons in his car. It is your contention that you don't know if that was illegal. I posted the Mexican laws and now you've been educated on the topic.

Let's hope he can soon come home, so we can investigate him further to see which American laws he may have broken by transporting weapons across our borders.

 

[JustOneWay]

So now there was an arsenal

The word is accurate.

ar·se·nal

noun \ˈärs-nəl, ˈär-sə-\


: a collection of weapons

 

[PreachersWife2004]

The country of Mexico disagrees with you.

While I don't necessarily believe the police of Mexico, it certainly seems as though the story surrounding Tahmooressi is more than just simply getting lost.

Mexican authorities claim he has crossed there several times before. They also claim he was violent and attempted to escape. Now...can't really blame him for trying to escape. Mexican prisons, especially the one where he was initially held, are notorious for their violence.

Tahmooressi's situation is still different from Bergdahl's. He is not being held as a hostage or a POW. He is being held on criminal charges that seem like they are accurate. However, Mexico is also not known for expediting trials, so...it could be awhile before we really know anything.

Bergdah's team leader and most of the soldiers he was serving with have been very forthcoming and vocal about how they feel about Bergdahl and what his actions were. Of course, this is not proof really of desertion, but I would certainly hope that the words "honor" and "distinction" weren't thrown around when describing this guy again.

Regardless of any situation Bergdahl was in, I think the trade was bad.

ETA: Tahmooressi had 3 guns and ammo in his truck. Not really an 'arsenal' in the real world application of the word.

 

[JustOneWay]

While I don't necessarily believe the police of Mexico, it certainly seems as though the story surrounding Tahmooressi is more than just simply getting lost.

Mexican authorities claim he has crossed there several times before. They also claim he was violent and attempted to escape. Now...can't really blame him for trying to escape. Mexican prisons, especially the one where he was initially held, are notorious for their violence.

I have friends who work in prisons, and there is continuous violence even here. I would prefer to not be in any prison.

Tahmooressi's situation is still different from Bergdahl's. He is not being held as a hostage or a POW. He is being held on criminal charges that seem like they are accurate. However, Mexico is also not known for expediting trials, so...it could be awhile before we really know anything.

Bergdah's team leader and most of the soldiers he was serving with have been very forthcoming and vocal about how they feel about Bergdahl and what his actions were. Of course, this is not proof really of desertion, but I would certainly hope that the words "honor" and "distinction" weren't thrown around when describing this guy again.

Yes, these two are not comparable an almost all levels.

Regardless of any situation Bergdahl was in, I think the trade was bad.

We need to close down Gitmo, and we can't kill the people. If they were scheduled to be released then release them. If they suspect them guilty, then try them and sentence them.

ETA: Tahmooressi had 3 guns and ammo in his truck. Not really an 'arsenal' in the real world application of the word.

You can argue 'small' or 'large' arsenal, but nonetheless it is an arsenal.

Gonzalez said on average, customs inspectors find contraband weapons about once or twice a week. But in more than a year in that office, he said he has never seen “an arsenal of this size.

New details muddy Marine vet's story? | UTSanDiego.com

 

[MachZer0]

In case you missed the details of the issue, he was not arrested for only crossing, he was arrested for the arsenal of weapons in his car. It is your contention that you don't know if that was illegal. I posted the Mexican laws and now you've been educated on the topic.

Let's hope he can soon come home, so we can investigate him further to see which American laws he may have broken by transporting weapons across our borders.

And his intent as to not cross the border and he so indicated

 

[MachZer0]

The word is accurate.

 

[MachZer0]

Those posts don't support your false assertion. Please do not tell lies about me.

When will you address the Bergdahl situation?

Crickets

 

[JustOneWay]

And his intent as to not cross the border and he so indicated

Why continue to push this irrelevant point?

Facts in this case mean nothing to you, do they?

He crossed the border with an arsenal of weapons, and is now being held on illegally bringing weapons into Mexico. We know this is illegal because I already provided the laws showing his illegal actions.

I can tell when you've surrendered your point when you start with hand waving and trying to sidestep the discussion.

 

[MachZer0]

Why continue to push this irrelevant point?

Facts in this case mean nothing to you, do they?

He crossed the border with an arsenal of weapons, and is now being held on illegally bringing weapons into Mexico. We know this is illegal because I already provided the laws showing his illegal actions.

I can tell when you've surrendered your point when you start with hand waving and trying to sidestep the discussion.

And his intent was to neither cross the border nor bring weapons across. That is hardly irrelevant to his case. By the way, when will you address the topic here which is Bergdahl

 

[JustOneWay]

And his intent was to neither cross the border nor bring weapons across. That is hardly irrelevant to his case.

Yet, there he is sitting in jail for doing both.

Your continued attempt to demonstrate his intent as failed because you have not provided any proof of his intent, and you do not have enough facts to tell us of his intent.

You are losing this argument big time, and it is demonstrated in you desire to change the subject. You opened this door on this man in Mexico, and you do not have the ability to shut it.

 

[GondwanaLand]

Seriously, if the Obama administration honestly thought that, then the Marine that is in a Mexican Prison right now for making a wrong turn on a highway would be back in the United States.

Let's be honest about this, Obama wanted to release these 5 high-ranked terrorists, and he thought this would give him political cover.

I must have missed where the Marine in the mexican prison was taken as a POW. When was this? Last I checked an off-duty guy got arrested in another country, on weapon charges.

As to him making the wrong turn, that's a bit suspect, considering he crossed the same border crossing three other times (which frankly considering the weapons and ammo in his truck looks a bit suspicious). As well, he admits it himself (and apparently walked across the border the day before his arrest).

So yes, let's be honest about this, there is nothing remotely comparable between the two, and the Mexico case has nothing to do with "leaving a man behind".

 

[MachZer0]

Yet, there he is sitting in jail for doing both.

Without a trial

Your continued attempt to demonstrate his intent as failed because you have not provided any proof of his intent, and you do not have enough facts to tell us of his intent.

You are losing this argument big time, and it is demonstrated in you desire to change the subject. You opened this door on this man in Mexico, and you do not have the ability to shut it.

Your refusal to address the Bergdahl situation suggests that I am not the one losing this argument

 

[The Outlier]

Its hard to say what I think about GITMO. Normally anyone there would be there for a reason. That doesn't mean there aren't people they are unsure about there. As for the idea that whatever they remembered being driven out of them, that's hard to say. Its possible. If they were really terrorists, it depends on if they were in it for religion or politics. I have met muslims before that were very docile and friendly. The muslims in Java were pretty friendly. There is politics behind Al Quaeda too though. If they have religion mixed into their politics, they would be hard to de-indoctrinate. Either way, they are glad to be out and mad at the people who kept them there all this time. They have reason to get revenge. I'd say it was a stupid decision either way. Its pacifism in a world that eats pacifism for lunch. Pacifism is a good philosophy when you don't have enemies, or when the last president didn't make so many enemies. His enemies won't just run up and hug you just because you want to be their friend.

 

[theophilus777]

Not only have you said it, you've probably said it dozens of times. I have posted two of the times you've accused border crossers of being illegal simply for crossing the border.

The double standard is now documented for all to see.

The quotes provided aren't even close to what you pretend they are.


Pffft. Not surprising, but still ...

 

[theophilus777]

We need to close down Gitmo, and we can't kill the people.

Yes we can. Maybe we shouldn't, but your statement is factually in error.

If they were scheduled to be released then release them. If they suspect them guilty, then try them and sentence them.

By all means, if we've been holding people that were just set up by their enemies but never harmful, set them free. We owe none of them a trial.

 

[theophilus777]

So yes, let's be honest about this, there is nothing remotely comparable between the two, and the Mexico case has nothing to do with "leaving a man behind".

He's a vet of the front in Afghanistan and seeking treatment for PTSD from that. We owe this man what help we can, even though its not really equivalent to a POW situation. I realize you think we should have left AF alone. You should realize I'd like to see us do a Rambo / Iron Eagle move here. Fortunately for everyone reality is somewhere between those extremes

but US is not above using diplomatic pressure. And as far as morality goes, you don't refuse a turnaround at the border crossing, geez

 

[TLK Valentine]

We need to close down Gitmo, and we can't kill the people.

Yes we can. Maybe we shouldn't, but your statement is factually in error.

Hmmm... round up a whole lot of people in a camp, and then kill them all... sounds vaguely familiar. And you think maybe we shouldn't do that?

If we were going to kill them, it should've been on the battlefield.