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[Kgreg]

I am one of those people who believe that 'love' is caring about what happens to someone, that they are safe, comfortable and happy. It means I don't want you to get hurt or be sad.

It doesn't mean that I want you to change who you are because I see it as wrong (I don't) and I need to guide you on a path that is less hellbound (I don't believe you are on a hellbound path by being gay).

The point being, you will always get love from me-what I consider to be love and caring. Never any hurtful comments. Those who say hurtful things, well that's their defficiency, not yours. They're easily ignored (I say that, but it upsets me all the time too). Be happy, there are many people who will truly love and care about you.

All have sinned, Jacob. Everyone is hellbound. It's truly caring to tell people that there is better way of living that leads to eternal life. In this regard, we are all in the same boat, and it's sinking, but Jesus has given us a way to escape. It's our responsibility, if we really care about others to tell them that there is hope.

We also have a reponsibility to correct our brothers and sisters when their theology is un-Biblical. Not witht the intention of hurting them, but to guide them back to the right path that leads to eternal life.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

Lilly, you tell us how some guy you see somewhere is cute. Personally, I don't think that's lust. It's a pretty normal thing. If a guy has those same sorts of feelings to another guy, I don't think that's lust either.

Eventually I'd expect you to fall in love with a guy and marry him. I don't think that's lust. I'm not sure what your meaning by gay life style is, but is it any more lust than what you might have if like you, a guy falls in love with another guy and wants to marry him?

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I'm not talking about attraction. Lust, as in heavy desire for something/someone is what I'm speaking of. Now w/ the marriage thing, I choose to go w/ how God has set that up and what pleases Him....forget man's opinion. God has made his opinion w/ that quite clear.

 

[Kgreg]

You as a Christian, maybe, but don't speak for all Christians. As far as the Anglican Church goes, it really seems to depend on where you go. Besides, I go to church for the community. I don't let anything any church or any fallible human being will say supercede what Jesus said.

Jacob, please don't make the mistake of concluding that because Jesus never mentioned homosexual sex, that He approves of it. He doesn't.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

Searching for love and companionship is in fact a choice. It's not always about lust.

Well, I see very few married couples or people (couples) that may not be married that live together that don't engage in some type of sexual activity.

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

All have sinned, Jacob. Everyone is hellbound. It's truly caring to tell people that there is better way of living that leads to eternal life. In this regard, we are all in the same boat, and it's sinking, but Jesus has given us a way to escape. It's our responsibility, if we really care about others to tell them that there is hope.

We also have a reponsibility to correct our brothers and sisters when their theology is un-Biblical. Not witht the intention of hurting them, but to guide them back to the right path that leads to eternal life.

I understand that. Everyone has sinned, and everyone continues to sin no matter what. I don't believe I contradicted that.

However, I don't feel you corrected me in any way, because I don't believe I am wrong.

God Bless.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

Please do not use terms like "lifestyle" which trivialize others' loves.

What is there to call it. Everyone has a lifestyle that they choose to follow. A lifestyle is a way in which you live. I see no trivialization occuring here.

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

Jacob, please don't make the mistake of concluding that because Jesus never mentioned homosexual sex, that He approves of it. He doesn't.

You have no basis for saying that. Have you sat down and had a one on one conversation with him? Was he visibly there and answered that? I have a personal relationship with Jesus just as you do, and for some reason we come to different conclusions based on that.

You have as much proof for saying that Jesus does not approve of it as I do for saying that he would.

And before anyone jumps in and says anything about the Old Testament or anything beyond the Gospels, I am speaking soley off the words of Jesus himself. It seemed to me he was more concerned about judging people than gay people.

 

[Kgreg]

I understand that. Everyone has sinned, and everyone continues to sin no matter what. I don't believe I contradicted that.

However, I don't feel you corrected me in any way, because I don't believe I am wrong.

God Bless.

God bless!

 

[MethodMan]

well, if nothing else, archie, you are predictable!!! always have the pedophile card at the ready when you are talking about the completely unrelated phenomenon of a victimless activity. i am reminded of a hymn:


sung to the tune of "let the circle be unbroken"

let your record, be unbroken,
play it over and over again.
let your record, be unbroken
and we will know how all your posts will begin.

when we talk of, two men sharing
a love that you think they should have to hide,
then you see them abusing children,
perhaps it's not them that keep this hidden deep inside.

It is quite fair to compair when you talk about giving into unnatural urges. Never did I equate them.

Nice try Jughead!

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

Kgreg, obviously we won't agree on this. So, I'll let you have the last word and say thank you for being civil in the debate. You don't get that very often.

God Bless.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

If two heterosexuals live in a loving romantic relationship and want to get married, then it's good. Why would it turn into "not being able to control your lusts" when exactly the same thing happens between two homosexuals?

For one, God is for marriage of opposite genders. That's seen all in the Bible. Two, who said marriage is lust...I'm talking about making out, kissing a lot, sexual things...etc...and that stuff is wrong for all folks no matter what type relationship if outside of marriage and involving lust.

 

[chalice_thunder]

Well, I see very few married couples or people (couples) that may not be married that live together that don't engage in some type of sexual activity.

Perhaps, but whence comes your preoccupation with it???

 

[CCGirl]

For one, God is for marriage of opposite genders. That's seen all in the Bible. Two, who said marriage is lust...I'm talking about making out, kissing a lot, sexual things...etc...and that stuff is wrong for all folks no matter what type relationship if outside of marriage and involving lust.

There can and should be lust in marriage.....and what you think God "said" is irrelevant!

Tell, us, why are you, and many others, so concerned about other people's sex lives?

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

There can be lust in marriage.....and what you think God "said" is irrelevant!

Tell, us, why are you, and many others, so concerned about other people's sex lives?

With the sorry state of tv and movies, what else is there to be concerned about?

 

[Kgreg]

Kgreg, obviously we won't agree on this. So, I'll let you have the last word and say thank you for being civil in the debate. You don't get that very often.

God Bless.

OK. Peace between us and no hard feelings!

 

[crazyfingers]

Jacob, please don't make the mistake of concluding that because Jesus never mentioned homosexual sex, that He approves of it. He doesn't.

Assuming that he exists, how would you know?

 

[crazyfingers]

It is quite fair to compair when you talk about giving into unnatural urges. Never did I equate them.

Nice try Jughead!

I believe that you need to actually provide evidence that it's "unnatural"

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

Perhaps, but whence comes your preoccupation with it???

What? I'm replying to someone's comment. This is a debate section. Responding doesn't equal preoccupation.

 

[CCGirl]

What? I'm replying to someone's comment. This is a debate section. Responding doesn't equal preoccupation.

What we are wondering is why you are thinking about what other consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes! It leads to the assumption that some people are preoccupied with sex!

 

[crazyfingers]

Tell, us, why are you, and many others, so concerned about other people's sex lives?

That's a question that I'd love to see answered.

It doesn't seem healthy for some people to be so obsessed with how other people have sex.

I think that if that obsession could be focused on something productive, like helping the poor or working on world peace, much better things would come about and social justice might actually be served.

As it is, all this religion based obsession about how others have sex works against social justice.