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Update on Fr. John Corapi

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isshinwhat

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I agree 100%. I stated this earlier in the thread. I just don't think we have any evidence to go on concerning the original allegation. So I withold judgement.

The guy has had a past, he's had issues & his reaction to me, seems more out of depression & feeling under appreciated by the Church He served.

I could be totally wrong. I admit, his reaction with his new name for himself does not look good.

The name is a combination of two visions of himself. The first is that of a black sheep, which we all understand conceptually. The other is that of a sheepdog, and that comes from an essay by Lt Col Dave Grossman:

Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin’s egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.
“Then there are the wolves,” the old war veteran said, “and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy.” Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

“Then there are sheepdogs,” he went on, “and I’m a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf.” Or, as a sign in one California law enforcement agency put it, “We intimidate those who intimidate others.”

If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen: a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath--a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? Then you are a sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero’s path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.

On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs

My wish is that he would have stayed and fought it out... but i'm trying to avoid arm chair quarterbacking in general... I pray that he keeps fighting, and never gives up using his weapon of choice: the Holy Rosary. It's also interesting to hear Lt Col Grossman's further comments about the Sheepdog...

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn’t tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, “Baa.”

Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.
 
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The name is a combination of two visions of himself. The first is that of a black sheep, which we all understand conceptually. The other is that of a sheepdog, and that comes from an essay by Lt Col Dave Grossman:



On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs

My wish is that he would have stayed and fought it out... but i'm trying to avoid arm chair quarterbacking in general... I pray that he keeps fighting, and never gives up using his weapon of choice: the Holy Rosary. It's also interesting to hear Lt Col Grossman's further comments about the Sheepdog...
Interesting! Thanks for posting that.
 
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Some of the comments on the Shea article were quite insightful. One in particularly from a Deacon.
Are you talking about this comment from Dcn. Kandra?

Is the Black Sheepdog asking the Black Sheep to follow him? I get that impression.
 
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Are you talking about this comment from Dcn. Kandra?

No. Let me go back and look.

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The whole thing is sad, and disturbing, on so many levels. There are a lot of people who continue to insist he's a martyr and a saint. Having heard that statement, I need a lot more evidence. I didn't hear a lot of saintliness there. Nor obedience. Nor piety. Nor humility. One or two passing mentions of God. Nothing about Mary or the saints. Nothing about prayer. Nothing about what the last 20 years have really meant to him spiritually. Nothing about the difficulty of this decision, what it means to walk away from the priesthood of his own accord.

He's confused and angry and probably depressed.
 
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I'm not going to judge him... but I find this sad and unfortunate. I was hoping it would turn out more like how it turned out with St Padre Pio or (I think) St John Bosco, who were temporarily suspended or accused of things also. (they both submitted to the Church).
 
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I am disappointed. He who taught to never give up, to pray, pray the Rosary, to stand up and be counted etc. has folded like a deck of cards. I don't know what has went on behind those closed doors. But I do know a fold when I see/read one. Prayers for John Corapi, the black sheep dog - may God be with him.
 
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I am disappointed. He who taught to never give up, to pray, pray the Rosary, to stand up and be counted etc. has folded like a deck of cards. I don't know what has went on behind those closed doors. But I do know a fold when I see/read one. Prayers for John Corapi, the black sheep dog - may God be with him.

I'm disappointed too. What happened to 'fighting the good fight' like it says in 2 Timothy 4:7-8?
But ultimately, the decision is (ex) Father Corapi's. If he chooses to walk away, that's up to him. All we can do is pray for him.

In my opinion, the video of his announcement is kinda scary looking to me. It looks like a wolf's eyes. And one of the eyes has wolves in them, the other has lambs in them. Maybe I'm missing something, but it's more scary than reassuring to me. Was that video created by his new organization?

YouTube - ‪John Corapi: Special Announcement. June 17, 2011‬‏
 
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The name is a combination of two visions of himself. The first is that of a black sheep, which we all understand conceptually. The other is that of a sheepdog, and that comes from an essay by Lt Col Dave Grossman

sounds like grossman suffers/ed from a messiah complex
 
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I'm disappointed too. What happened to 'fighting the good fight' like it says in 2 Timothy 4:7-8?
But ultimately, the decision is (ex) Father Corapi's. If he chooses to walk away, that's up to him. All we can do is pray for him.

In my opinion, the video of his announcement is kinda scary looking to me. It looks like a wolf's eyes. And one of the eyes has wolves in them, the other has lambs in them. Maybe I'm missing something, but it's more scary than reassuring to me. Was that video created by his new organization?

YouTube - ‪John Corapi: Special Announcement. June 17, 2011‬‏

A link in post #41 gives a little background.
 
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I agree 100%. I stated this earlier in the thread. I just don't think we have any evidence to go on concerning the original allegation. So I withold judgement.

The guy has had a past, he's had issues & his reaction to me, seems more out of depression & feeling under appreciated by the Church He served.

I could be totally wrong. I admit, his reaction with his new name for himself does not look good.

given the scrutiny and risk evaluations given to people seeking a vocation to the priesthood now (thanks to bishops covering up pedophile abuse)

they never would have touched corapi with a ten foot pole if he sought a vocation today and what happened here illustrates why

he will leave the clergy more than a couple million dollars richer than when he went in- and we are left with scandal once again

sounds to me like corapi won
 
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I never had a high opinion of him, he struck me as a fraud from day 1. The first time I heard him preach I thought "Dude, why the funny voice? Talk normal, if what you're saying has merit, it will come through." Popes JP2 and Benedict16 have weak voices, gentle and full of humility - but they command my attention better than Corapi ever did.
 
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I never had a high opinion of him, he struck me as a fraud from day 1. The first time I heard him preach I thought "Dude, why the funny voice? Talk normal, if what you're saying has merit, it will come through." Popes JP2 and Benedict16 have weak voices, gentle and full of humility - but they command my attention better than Corapi ever did.

i dont care for corapi- but there i some things that i did admire about him and his ministry

but i could listen to him for maybe 3 1/2 minutes before feeling very agitated and wondering why admin did not realize they were losing listeners and sponsorships
 
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i dont care for corapi- but there i some things that i did admire about him and his ministry

but i could listen to him for maybe 3 1/2 minutes before feeling very agitated and wondering why admin did not realize they were losing listeners and sponsorships

I liked him and agreed with what he had to say, but I always worry when people get a following... I have hardly ever seen it end well... We are all so prone to pride that it must be hell to fight against, let alone the number of enemies one who preaches the truth builds up against him. May God guide him.
 
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A link in post #41 gives a little background.

Yes, I get the idea of "sheep dog" guarding the sheep. But, does the dog image have to look so foreboding and scary? It comes across as angry to me, not reassuring in God's love.
 
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I never had a high opinion of him, he struck me as a fraud from day 1. The first time I heard him preach I thought "Dude, why the funny voice? Talk normal, if what you're saying has merit, it will come through." Popes JP2 and Benedict16 have weak voices, gentle and full of humility - but they command my attention better than Corapi ever did.


I honestly thought that was his real speaking voice. Didn't he serve the military or something?

Anyway he reminded me of Captain Jean Luc Picard with that head and that voice.
 
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I've always been a fan of Fr. Corapi. His teaching on the rosary opened me up to the Catholic view of the prayer and helped me see past my bias & misunderstanding. His lectures on the catechism are fantastic as well as many, many other subjects. He's really a dynamic speaker as well.

All that said, I'm disappointed he's stepping away from the priesthood and this black sheep dog bit just comes off as weird. I would prefer that he stayed in the priesthood and fought the good fight.
 
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