Update on Fr. John Corapi

[heavenschild]

How sad that Father Corapi is giving up the fight. He needs much prayers. In God's eyes, he is still a priest

 

[Michie]

How sad that Father Corapi is giving up the fight. He needs much prayers. In God's eyes, he is still a priest

Yes he is. But does he consider himself a priest still?

 

[sneezingleopard]

This is very confusing. I read the blog post then listened to the video. I tsound slike his words and what I'm hearing sounds as though he is accepting the outcome. Yet the video doesn't have his picture nor the website. I did see on the site it says the video was released on hsi facebook page as well as other places so it seems i tmust really be him. It's strange to hear him read from a piece of paper adn stumble at various parts as that isn't typical of his preaching style. I tdoes sound like his voice though. Anyway, as I said it was abit confusing but I do think it's him.

It just seems he isn't interested in waiting around to find out the outcome rather he intends to go out into the world in a new way and spread the Good news. It's really tough to say exactly what his intentions are but I know I got goosebumps reading his statement. It's sad that he is leaving the priesthood but it seems he's not about to let some lies hold him back from preaching the Good news to the world. I pray that he is doing all things in good faith and prayer and that he truly does have good intentions in mind. He may be able to reach more folks in this new manner than he could on EWTN or atleast folks that need to hear his message more than Catholics.

The thing that really bothers me as an artist though is his whole website theme. To me and I'm sure to many others it just seems so dark and menacing. I'm also not sure i entirely grasp the concept of "the Black Sheep Dog" I get the role of a sheppdog adn I understand why folks might thinkof him as the black sheep but the theme seems to have too much negative connotations attached to it. The theme of his site and the idea fo a black sheep dog remind me too much of a wolf and the whole idea of a wolf dressed in sheeps clothing. ANyway. I think it's clever and I do hope he is able to bring lots of good out of abad situation. Just my rambeling thoughts.
-Matthew

 

[Michie]

This is very confusing. I read the blog post then listened to the video. I tsound slike his words and what I'm hearing sounds as though he is accepting the outcome. Yet the video doesn't have his picture nor the website. I did see on the site it says the video was released on hsi facebook page as well as other places so it seems i tmust really be him. It's strange to hear him read from a piece of paper adn stumble at various parts as that isn't typical of his preaching style. I tdoes sound like his voice though. Anyway, as I said it was abit confusing but I do think it's him.

It just seems he isn't interested in waiting around to find out the outcome rather he intends to go out into the world in a new way and spread the Good news. It's really tough to say exactly what his intentions are but I know I got goosebumps reading his statement. It's sad that he is leaving the priesthood but it seems he's not about to let some lies hold him back from preaching the Good news to the world. I pray that he is doing all things in good faith and prayer and that he truly does have good intentions in mind. He may be able to reach more folks in this new manner than he could on EWTN or atleast folks that need to hear his message more than Catholics.

The thing that really bothers me as an artist though is his whole website theme. To me and I'm sure to many others it just seems so dark and menacing. I'm also not sure i entirely grasp the concept of "the Black Sheep Dog" I get the role of a sheppdog adn I understand why folks might thinkof him as the black sheep but the theme seems to have too much negative connotations attached to it. The theme of his site and the idea fo a black sheep dog remind me too much of a wolf and the whole idea of a wolf dressed in sheeps clothing. ANyway. I think it's clever and I do hope he is able to bring lots of good out of abad situation. Just my rambeling thoughts.
-Matthew

I don't like the Black Sheep Dog moniker. It makes him sound a bit crazy imo.

I just read at another site that according to penal law in the Church he has opportunity to have recourse to the Holy See and he could win his case. It was also stated that there is a huge gray area in the Church now regarding priests & administrative leave. It cannot be permanant but only last till the trial ends.

 

[JoabAnias]

He eludes to what I said in a thread when this all started. It does not sound like they have investigators investigating

Yea, I noticed that too. I am surprised. I never would have never pegged him to be one to over react and I now think thats exactly what he has done.

There seems to be a lot of people stuck in cycles of relapsing in and out of their mental instablity. There but for the grace of God go I.

 

[JoabAnias]

I don't like the Black Sheep Dog moniker. It makes him sound a bit crazy imo.

I just read at another site that according to penal law in the Church he has opportunity to have recourse to the Holy See and he could win his case. It was also stated that there is a huge gray area in the Church now regarding priests & administrative leave. It cannot be permanant but only last till the trial ends.

He seems to state that there is no "fair" recourse according to his counsel. I think this is a modern day trial of obedience unfolding right before our eyes.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

I'm just saddened by the whole situation. Corapi being Corapi does not affect me faithwise at all. I just find it all very sad. I don't know the story so I'm trying to remain neutral.

He has done a lot of good when he was a priest. There is no denying that. I'm just wondering what his plan is now exactly.... will he still preach Catholicism or is he going to go all political on us with a dash of religion thrown in?

What bothers me Michie, is that many Catholics looked up to him as a role model and that he has not lived up to that. I tend to hold those that are in leadership to a higher level.

 

[JoabAnias]

How sad that Father Corapi is giving up the fight. He needs much prayers. In God's eyes, he is still a priest

Sometimes giving up - submission is exactly whats needed for a proper perspective.

 

[Michie]

What bothers me Michie, is that many Catholics looked up to him as a role model and that he has not lived up to that. I tend to hold those that are in leadership to a higher level.

Well I don't think anyone can say with certainty that he is guilty or did not live accordingly as a priest. Nothing has been proven either way.

It seems to me he has grown frustrated by the process & lost patience. This is the first thing I have seen from him where he seems to be actually doing something wrong that we know of.

As far as Catholics looking up to him to the point of leaving the Faith for him... it happens in all Churches & it's sad. But it is disordered.

 

[JoabAnias]

I actually think he sounds more depressed in his announcement than "arrogant" or anything like it.

I'm surprised he wasn't in for putting up a huge fight, really.

My thoughts too, though I don't really see how he can fight. He just has to obey and pray.

 

[JoabAnias]

He has done a lot of good when he was a priest. There is no denying that. I'm just wondering what his plan is now exactly.... will he still preach Catholicism or is he going to go all political on us with a dash of religion thrown in?

I had that thought too reading his statement. Wondering if he was going to become a Libaugh or something. God forbid. I hope he comes to his senses.

 

[Michie]

I had that thought too reading his statement. Wondering if he was going to become a Libaugh or something. God forbid. I hope he comes to his senses.

Yeah... I'm glad it was not just me. I thought I might be reading too much into it but it seemed vaguely implied.

I hope he isn't jumping on the Cutie bandwagon hoping for a platform.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Well I don't think anyone can say with certainty that he is guilty or did not live accordingly as a priest. Nothing has been proven either way.

It seems to me he has grown frustrated by the process & lost patience. This is the first thing I have seen from him where he seems to be actually doing something wrong that we know of.

As far as Catholics looking up to him to the point of leaving the Faith for him... it happens in all Churches & it's sad. But it is disordered.

Michie I grew up on the streets and though I have many many short comings, being naive is not one of them. This guy is an operator. The reason he is quitting, is because it is getting in the way of him making money.

If he was such a pious and holy Catholic, then he would obey the magisterium and do the right thing.

I await the usual (rad trad) suspects who are noticeably absent.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

having read his website, it seems in reality that he understands that the outcome is not going to be good for him. So he is moving on. He must k now what is transpiring behind the scenes and he is taking the offense against the ultimate outcome, which is that he is probably guilty.

 

[Michie]

Michie I grew up on the streets and though I have many many short comings, being naive is not one of them. This guy is an operator. The reason he is quitting, is because it is getting in the way of him making money.

If he was such a pious and holy Catholic, then he would obey the magisterium and do the right thing.

I await the usual (rad trad) suspects who are noticeably absent.

It could be. But I'm still reserving judgement until I see what unfolds. This is a strange time in the RCC. It's pretty disappointing for a convert to be honest.

 

[JoabAnias]

Yeah... I'm glad it was not just me. I thought I might be reading too much into it but it seemed vaguely implied.

I hope he isn't jumping on the Cutie bandwagon hoping for a platform.

Or worse. I really don't expect him to schism and am trying to understand his despondency but I never would have expected this either. I expected him to rise above or either the accuser to be proven false or him to repent. He is just as human as anyone. I hope it doesn't get any worse for him. As one aware of how PTSD operates, I can see this pressure causing a relapse of his past woundedness. God will move in His time so there is always hope. Its just hard to hold on to sometimes.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

It could be. But I'm still reserving judgement until I see what unfolds. This is a strange time in the RCC. It's pretty disappointing for a convert to be honest.

Well I am going to back off. I don't want to damage anyone's faith. Just remember, that Man is fallible and your faith is in Christ Jesus. We all fall short.

 

[JoabAnias]

Michie I grew up on the streets and though I have many many short comings, being naive is not one of them. This guy is an operator. The reason he is quitting, is because it is getting in the way of him making money.

If he was such a pious and holy Catholic, then he would obey the magisterium and do the right thing.

I await the usual (rad trad) suspects who are noticeably absent.

I moved into a boarding house when I was 15 and never went back home. I figure that made me one of the most stupid people around.

I think your second sentence is obvious too. He definitely seems to be giving up. Lots of us do, guilty or not. For example, I give into abusers by cutting myself off from them. Bullies aren't as bad because usually they are cowards anyway so its best to stand up to them.

Who are the rad trads not here? I'm right here. Nice to know it wasn't me, so who are they; just those who disagree with you on this?

Its getting harder and harder to find a Catholic who is pious enough to be respectful in general, let alone of a despondent priest. If they were really pious they would do the right thing huh?

Maybe thats why he took the name 'dog'. He expects to be kicked while hes down.

 

[Michie]

Well I am going to back off. I don't want to damage anyone's faith. Just remember, that Man is fallible and your faith is in Christ Jesus. We all fall short.

I agree 100%. I stated this earlier in the thread. I just don't think we have any evidence to go on concerning the original allegation. So I withold judgement.

The guy has had a past, he's had issues & his reaction to me, seems more out of depression & feeling under appreciated by the Church He served.

I could be totally wrong. I admit, his reaction with his new name for himself does not look good.

 

[JoabAnias]

I agree 100%. I stated this earlier in the thread. I just don't think we have any evidence to go on concerning the original allegation. So I withold judgement.

The guy has had a past, he's had issues & his reaction to me, seems more out of depression & feeling under appreciated by the Church He served.

I could be totally wrong. I admit, his reaction with his new name for himself does not look good.

Some of the comments on the Shea article were quite insightful. One in particularly from a Deacon.