Update: Accuser Of Ted Haggard Fails Lie Detector!

[soblessed53]

I just heard this on Fox news,will post link as soon as it's updated.

Here Ya go!
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5115625,00.html

 

[imind]

given that he has already resigned (

), and has admitted to 'some' of the allegations, its a pretty safe bet that this is irrelevant.

also, the man who administered the polygraph has offered reasons as to the deceptive nature of his answers. i would also bet that further tests reveal him as truthful.

 

[soblessed53]

given that he has already resigned (

), and has admitted to 'some' of the allegations, its a pretty safe bet that this is irrelevant.

also, the man who administered the polygraph has offered reasons as to the deceptive nature of his answers. i would also bet that further tests reveal him as truthful.[/quote

As usual you are overly anxious to hang another Christian!
If you BOTHERED to read any of the stories, you would know that all the voice mails implicate him in are getting Meth!

"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true,” Ross Parsley, the acting senior pastor at New Life Church stated. Haggard on Thursday also stepped aside as leader of the 14,000-member New Life Church, based in Colorado Springs.
Haggard, a married father of five who has been called one of the most influential evangelical Christians in the nation, denied the allegations, telling Denver's KUSA-TV late Wednesday: “I've never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife. So I don't know if this is election year politics ... or what it is.”
His accuser, Denver resident Mike Jones, refused to share with The Associated Press voice mails that he said backed up his allegation, stating that he is having them reviewed by a voice analyst. Jones further claimed that Haggard paid him for methamphetamines.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/

 

[MoodyBlue]

Update: Haggard admits to buying meth, massage from his accuser: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html

 

[imind]

If you BOTHERED to read any of the stories, you would know that all the voice mails implicate him in are getting Meth!

i did read it. this is how i found out that he admitted to some of the charges. you need to learn to be less presumptuous.

As usual you are overly anxious to hang another Christian!

as usual you are willing to overlook his many transgressions simply becuase he is a christian.

his chirstianity is of no relevance to me. this man is a criminal and a hypocrite and needs to be exposed as such.

 

[jane1]

Doesn't matter who says what. I cannot defend this man (forgive yes, eventually) because he has already admitted, reluctantly, (only because he got caught) to a portion of the allegations.
And fact is Haggard resigned. No one would resign if any allegation of wrong doing were false.

Furthurmore,any person would fight back -- especially with such a huge community of Christians that would've stood behind him. Unless of course the publicity/fight will expose too many skeletons !!

Yes we all fall from grace. We all fail in ways big and small. Yes God is the only judge that matters. But we must also keep our ministers accountable or our church body will become ill .

This man has used and abused his congregation, his family, and the Lord's name to hide his covert actions.

He is an embarassement, a liability and a phony. Good riddance. May we never see his face nor hear his name again. May he repent in obscurity.

 

[Voegelin]

Haggard accuser admits to timing allegations to influence elections

His lawyers says he wanted him to get more evidence and to wait. Yeah sure.

Guess everyone who did anything wrong, especially those who are gay better register Democrat. If they don't, people are going to dig up whatever they can on them in the deluded belief it will win them elections. Fact is, Christians know people sin. Not shocking news that someone who says not to do this or that might do it themselves.

Sure is better than the alternative which Democrats seem to want: Commit the offense and tell everyone it isn't a sin and they should "celebrate" what they do.

We are seeing the Clinton effect in American politics more and more every day.

 

[imind]

and your typical responses turning this around on the democrats.

it seems many republicans want to talk that conservative talk, and get voters to vote based on that talk, yet are going home and living the lives and lies they preach against. hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[Mandrake]

Preaching weekly against homosexuality and then heading home to call a gay hooker is the sort of thing that would be pretty galling for a gay person who's comfortable with their sexuality and believes that they deserve equal rights. I don't blame him for trying to expose the conservative campaign against homosexuals for the sham it is.

 

[soblessed53]

i did read it. this is how i found out that he admitted to some of the charges. you need to learn to be less presumptuous.

as usual you are willing to overlook his many transgressions simply becuase he is a christian.

his chirstianity is of no relevance to me. this man is a criminal and a hypocrite and needs to be exposed as such.

You say I'm the one being presumptious?

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Funny how the only thing it appears he is guilty of so far,MAY be buying Meth,but radical Islamic terrorists are NEVER guilty of ANY WRONG DOING in your eyes!

 

[Voegelin]

I don't blame him for trying to expose the conservative campaign against homosexuals for the sham it is.

The campaign isn't against homosexuals anymore than opposing Affirmative Action is against blacks. Nor is it a sham. There is a case to be made that creating special rights for homosexuals, passing "gay marriage" legislation, allowing the teaching of homosexual material in schools under the guise of promoting "tolerance" is destructive to a free and moral society. Don't see how "sham" applies at all. Both sides are very open in what they want. In the case of gay activists they go way over the line of honest political debate when they "out" people who want their private lives to remain private. Those who are gays have a right to have a political opinion which does not conform to gay activist ideology.

This isn't about Haggard anymore than Foley was about Foley. It is about putting gays who don't toe the line on ideology on notice: They might be next. This is about attempting to chill free speech. We have seen the same thing done to blacks. Look at the hate speech directed at Clarence Thomas over a decade after his appointment to the Supreme Court. He can't even give speeches without "activists" disrupting his comments. That isn't designed to change Thomas' mind on anything, he has a lifetime appointment. It is designed to let others know what is in store for them if they dare leave the liberal fold.

 

[imind]

Funny how the only thing it appears he is guilty of so far,MAY be buying Meth,but radical Islamic terrorists are NEVER guilty of ANY WRONG DOING in your eyes!

not that islam has anything to do with this thread, but don't ever mis-quote me again.

you've made wild unsubstantiated claims against islam, and i've disproven them using quranic scripture, a book you refuse to even read, yet are the first to begin threads claiming 'islam says this' and 'islam says that'.

btw, he is guilty of buying meth. he has admitted it, after denying it, of course.

This isn't about Haggard anymore than Foley was about Foley. It is about putting gays who don't toe the line on ideology on notice:

absolute nonsense. this man preached from the pulpit of the evils of homosexuality and drugs, then went home in the evenings apparently to do what he preached against.

 

[Voegelin]

As usual you are overly anxious to hang another Christian!

A regular feature on Christian forums, isn't it?

One explaination is those who do jump all over on a Protestant today and a Catholic tommorow who fails to live up to the faith and portrays the sin as a systematic problem is they are very vigorous in their faith.

The other explaination is they are not.

 

[RiverSalado]

And here comes the conservative Christian bashers again.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=96083

 

[Voegelin]

And here comes the conservative Christian bashers again.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/t96083

Link seems to have gone *poof*.

Something we have to use "conservative" now as an adjective to "Christian".

Until 1972 there was no distinction except theologically. Politically, the parties, Democrat and Republican, subscribed to or at least paid homage to our shared heritage. But at the DNC convention that year, over a quarter of the delegates described themselves as secularists. That convention was the great divide in American politics and culture. It made the Democratic Party, eventually, a party not of the heartland, not of the guy on the loading dock, not of the men and women who with their kids go to church on a regular basis but a party of the cultural elites, of the very wealthy and of the very poor.

 

[imind]

i think it was rather a distinction made by the so called 'moral majority', which only ever existed in name, as it seems those members are the biggest hypocrites and pharisees.

hence, haggard and the rest of them who used and use their supposed moral superiority to gain money or power or both.

 

[messenjah]

Doesn't matter who says what. I cannot defend this man (forgive yes, eventually) because he has already admitted, reluctantly, (only because he got caught) to a portion of the allegations.
And fact is Haggard resigned. No one would resign if any allegation of wrong doing were false.

Furthurmore,any person would fight back -- especially with such a huge community of Christians that would've stood behind him. Unless of course the publicity/fight will expose too many skeletons !!

Yes we all fall from grace. We all fail in ways big and small. Yes God is the only judge that matters. But we must also keep our ministers accountable or our church body will become ill .

This man has used and abused his congregation, his family, and the Lord's name to hide his covert actions.

He is an embarassement, a liability and a phony. Good riddance. May we never see his face nor hear his name again. May he repent in obscurity.

So... where does grace come into this whole equation? I seem to remember a guy named Onesimus in the Bible who ran away from his master, stole money and tired to high tail it out of there, and yet Paul sends him back, and begs Philemon to restore him. Not only restore him, to treat him the same way he would treat Paul. Now you're saying that you can "forgive" him, but you expect him to go into hiding and be shamed for the rest of his life. People make mistakes, and what he did was horrible, but if he comes out of this repentant (which I'm not saying I'm sure he has yet), but if he does, we as the church need to accept him back, without the authority that he had, but still, if he's repentant, he's a part of the body and is a brother to you. You can't disassociate with the foot just because you're a hand, we're all part of the same body.

Haggard accuser admits to timing allegations to influence elections

His lawyers says he wanted him to get more evidence and to wait. Yeah sure.

Guess everyone who did anything wrong, especially those who are gay better register Democrat. If they don't, people are going to dig up whatever they can on them in the deluded belief it will win them elections. Fact is, Christians know people sin. Not shocking news that someone who says not to do this or that might do it themselves.

Sure is better than the alternative which Democrats seem to want: Commit the offense and tell everyone it isn't a sin and they should "celebrate" what they do.

We are seeing the Clinton effect in American politics more and more every day.

Wow, congratulations on being as ignorant and partisan as you can. You're probably one of those people who consider democrats as "evil" and Repbulicans as "Christians". Don't your realize that both parties are fallen and need Jesus. You can either have the part that spews hateful propoganda and claims Christianity as their safeguard, or you can have the party that spews evil propoganda and doesn't use Christianity as it's safeguard. Republicans are no patron saints and for you to blindly make blanketed statements like that just shows how ridiculous the system has become.

 

[soblessed53]

A regular feature on Christian forums, isn't it?

One explaination is those who do jump all over on a Protestant today and a Catholic tommorow who fails to live up to the faith and portrays the sin as a systematic problem is they are very vigorous in their faith.

The other explaination is they are not.

So very,very true,and so obvious. "You can fool some of the people some of the time,but you cannot fool all the people,all of the time". Some are so arrogant that they forget this.

 

[soblessed53]

This sad story, since Ted Haggard now admits he is a liar and a deciever,is just another example of why we cannot put our faith in man,because they will always fail you.This will definately hurt the church,and hardened the lost's hearts even more against Christians,all we can do is pray God's will be done, and for God to help each of us to show Christ by example of our lives.

 

[Voegelin]

The reaction is quite a contrast to when Clinton harassed women, tried to fix a civil rights case, suborned perjury and perjured himself.

Then the cry was "Innocent until proven guilty" When his actions could no longer be defended, the cry was, "The American people are sick and tired of this and want to move on..."

When Ward Chuchill compared those murdered on 9/11 to Adolf Eichmann, the defense was, "academic freedom" and "freedom of speech".

When a Christian does anything, there is zero tolerance from the left. Considering the standards they hold members of their own ideology to, it is rather hypocritical.

Gets old fast. And it is more than a little nauseating to see the absolute glee with which some pounce on every transgression of Christian morality if the trangressor is not a liberal.