Until the Third temple is built, Jesus return isn't any time soon?

[Douggg]

If you think Israel and the Church are two separate peoples of God, part of your claim above cannot be correct.

That's your argument against John Hagee, an oddity, in order to promote your the church has become Israel doctrine.

I state what I believe. You should do the same with your screen-name information.

 

[BABerean2]

That's your argument against John Hagee, an oddity, in order to promote your the church has become Israel doctrine.

I state what I believe. You should do the same with your screen-name information.

For some strange reason you keep repeating the claim that I have said the church has become Israel, when I have said no such thing.

The Church has not become Israel.

On the Day of Pentecost, part of Israel became the Church, based on Peter's words found below.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

This fact that part of Israel became the Church is confirmed by Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 9:27, and Romans 11:1-5.
One does not have become much of a Berean to see this fact.
Any unbiased witness can see what is plainly written in the text.

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[MarkRohfrietsch]

There is no reason to believe that a third temple will ever be built.

It already has been rebuilt:

John 2:18-20 New King James Version (NKJV)
18 So the Jews answered and said to Him, A)" data-cr="#cen-NKJV-26114A" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;">“What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?”

19 Jesus answered and said to them, B)" data-cr="#cen-NKJV-26115B" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;">“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
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Keeping this in mind as well:

Matthew 24:36 [ No One Knows the Day or Hour ] “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Matthew 24:50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,

Mark 13:32 [ No One Knows the Day or Hour ] “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Luke 12:46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. ​

 

[Douggg]

For some strange reason you keep repeating the claim that I have said the church has become Israel, when I have said no such thing.

The Church has not become Israel.

On the Day of Pentecost, part of Israel became the Church, based on Peter's words found below.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

This fact that part of Israel became the Church is confirmed by Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 9:27, and Romans 11:1-5.
One does not have become much of a Berean to see this fact.
Any unbiased witness can see what is plainly written in the text.

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Your argument is like saying part of China, or Canada, became the church because of Christian evangelizing. Therefore China and Canada don't exist as a nation.

So you are not a Jew nor an Israelite?

And apart from the portion of Israel - which you say became the church - who are the other portion of Israel? What is their religion?

 

[parousia70]

And apart from the portion of Israel - which you say became the church - who are the other porion of Israel? What it their religion?

Romans 2:25-26 testifies that true Jewishness is counted by an obedient circumcised heart, not one's physical lineage and physical circumcision. Verse 2:26 says that a natural gentile's uncircumcised status will be credited as true circumcision if that person follows Jesus. Meanwhile, a circumcised-but-disobedient natural Jew will be considered as an uncircumcised pagan by God (2:25). confitming what Moses said previously, namely that when The Prophet Jesus would come, those Hebrews who refused to hear him would be "cut off from among the people." (Acts 3:22-24)

Scripture further confirms that the Disobedient genetic sons of Abraham were always to be cut off from among the people (Acts 3:22-24; cf. Gen 17:14; Lev 18:29; Num 15:30; Ex 12:15).

Fast-Forward to Todays "Jewish" People, they are a multi-ethnic conglomeration of peoples who follow the Post Christian, man-made religion of the Talmud. They have no relationship to the pre desolation Hebrew people. Not Genetically, Not Politically and not Religiously.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

My pastor has helped me to make sense on the term of the cloud. That when the church is raptured up that there will be so many numbers in the heavens and the angels, that it will literally look like a cloud picture it. A entire sky filled with the saints!

That will most likely be the time of the harvest, as is shown with the rapture of the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11.......

Book - Sealed with 7 Seals

Luke 21:27 -
“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Revelation14:15 -
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud,
“Thrust in Your sickle! and reap! for the time has come for You[fn] to reap, for the harvest of the land is ripe.”

Revelation 11:12 -
And they heard a loud Voice from heaven saying to them, “ascend ye
here!.”
And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.

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[keras]

Your argument is like saying part of China, or Canada, became the church because of Christian evangelizing. Therefore China and Canada don't exist as a nation.

So you are not a Jew nor an Israelite?

And apart from the portion of Israel - which you say became the church - who are the other porion of Israel? What it their religion?

This post demonstrates confusion of belief, as well as basic English errors.

Douggg, we have been discussing these things for years now, your comments and questions above are just made to stir to pot and cause antagonism.
We all know and laugh at your 'anytime Lord; whisk me up', rapture notion. But this questioning of anyone here saying; Israel is the Church, is just nonsense.
The one and only true Israel, are the people who Overcome for God.
The people who call their nation Israel, who call themselves Jews, lost their chance nearly 2000 years ago and remain outside of the faithful church today. With the exception of about .05% of Messianic Jews.

 

[Douggg]

The people who call their nation Israel, who call themselves Jews, lost their chance nearly 2000 years ago and remain outside of the faithful church today. With the exception of about .05% of Messianic Jews.

None of the Jews alive today lived 2000 years ago. No-one is prevented from becoming a Christian based on who their parents are.

Russia, England, France, Italy, Canada, the US, New Zealand, these are all nations, just as Israel is a nation.

There are Christians in Russia, England, France, Italy, Canada, the US, New Zealand, Israel - who, those Christians, are the church.

 

[Joy]

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