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Not always. In Gen 1:2, in see that water is where God was dwelling. But I think that's more of a reflection of the Pagan beliefs from which the Biblical creation story originated. That's because in many ancient Pagan beliefs, God does dwell in or over water. That's why water in many ancient religions is seen as very sacred.When you look through the Bible at the stories where water is the focus feature, you see chaos and death. Noah and the ark. Jesus walking on the water in the storm, Jesus in the boat during the storm. It is the water motif that runs from the beginning to the end of the Bible. And it always means chaos and death.
When you look through the Bible at the stories where water is the focus feature, you see chaos and death. Noah and the ark. Jesus walking on the water in the storm, Jesus in the boat during the storm. It is the water motif that runs from the beginning to the end of the Bible. And it always means chaos and death.
Paul stated that we are baptized after the manner of Christ's death. It is a symbolism for the death of the old man and the resurrection into new life.
There are a lot of places in the Bible where a symbolism is drawn, and then Christ changes it and says He is the new ......... whatever. Leaven represents sin, but Christ in one place calls himself the leaven. While I think that Christ is trying to make a point in those specific incidents, the general overriding theme is that water represents chaos and death (and leaven represents sin).
Ok.. This is what I figured but wanted to be sure I was on the same page. I disagree but I can understand how you could think this especially seeing as how it is commonly taught.
Two things. One what do you think about the fact that your understanding of these verses if correct show a direct contradiction to what Jesus himself is recorded as saying in John.
Two here is a section of an article realted to the part about the king of tyrus
link to complete article.. L. Ray Smith - The Lake of Fire - Part 9
Not to me but oh well.I wasn't taught it, it's obvious...
The verse I quoted very plainly and directly says that he [the devil,satan, serpent] was a liar and murderer from the begining. If we are to believe the verses from the OT are talking about satan as once being a perfect cherub then that directly contradicts what Jesus is saying in the verse from John. When we consider that the OT verse does not actually mention satan at all and does explicity address itself to the king of tyrus whereas Jesus directly says that satan was always bad from the begining. It is even more clear that the verses from the OT should not be interpreted as refering to satan.I'm not sure what you mean here, could you explain?
Fair enoughI don't agree with it, so I guess we're at an empass on that subject...
The restoration of Sodom and other such citiesWhat were we talking about again?
Or storms might be a symbol of chaos....
Or cleansing...
The scriptures use things of the earth to speak to us spiritual truths, so you're right that they don't have to mean exactly the same thing everytime. But that does't help the case for universalism much either....
Interesting view. One that I have never considered before.I would like to point out that, according to Revelation, there will be no seas in the new heaven and new earth. To me, that pretty much says that water represents death and chaos.
Can you provide a reference where Paul states that baptism is a cleansing? Thanks.
I would like to point out that, according to Revelation, there will be no seas in the new heaven and new earth. To me, that pretty much says that water represents death and chaos.
When you look through the Bible at the stories where water is the focus feature, you see chaos and death. Noah and the ark. Jesus walking on the water in the storm, Jesus in the boat during the storm. It is the water motif that runs from the beginning to the end of the Bible. And it always means chaos and death.
Paul stated that we are baptized after the manner of Christ's death. It is a symbolism for the death of the old man and the resurrection into new life.
The perfect picture of death and chaos.
There are a lot of places in the Bible where a symbolism is drawn, and then Christ changes it and says He is the new ......... whatever. Leaven represents sin, but Christ in one place calls himself the leaven. While I think that Christ is trying to make a point in those specific incidents, the general overriding theme is that water represents chaos and death (and leaven represents sin).
If you read it as regret, well, I can't stop you, but it looks like sorrow to me. That doesn't mean that he 1. wished he hadn't created man, or 2. That He isn't all knowing. That is just your conjecture. Nowhere does it say either of those things. Since He prepared a way to redeem man from the fall, I'd say that God could see the future and even prepared a way for the elect to return to Him.
Sounds like Open Theism....That is to say, if you are applying that God to the God written in the Bible. If so,A God need not require the ability to see into the future to act when the future becomes present. God could have felt the time was now for Jesus to redeem man...This has nothing to do with the ability to see the future.
Three dog, you ask some great questions, but you have stopped expecting to get answers. Hold God accountable, He's big enough to handle it!I wonder what happened after Noah for God to suddenly find favor with us? For God to want this special relationship. Remember, God was not interested in that relationship in the time of Noah (the Flood). What did we do for God to suddenly have all this special love for us? What changed in the father to want to spare mankind and not murder us like in the days of Noah.
Did God have a change of heart as he took more responsiblity for what he created. Realizing that it not all our fault why we do the things we do. God realizing he created inside of us the capacity for great love and great hate. And that we never asked to be born at the risk of our own inevitable fate and best interest.
Three dog, you ask some great questions, but you have stopped expecting to get answers. Hold God accountable, He's big enough to handle it!
Most times when I have a tough question about God's ways I find the answer in life. God set up things so we can see Him in life. He didn't have to create the family unit, and why the fifth commandment, honor thy father and mother? No point in that after you leave home is there? But there is, and you can tell a genuine difference in people raised with a biblical family unit.
One thing I have done as a father that might help shed some light is to let my children fight it out. Sometimes they need to push things too far to understand the error of their ways. So I let them fight until it is so rediculous that I can't stand it and I blow my stack. And sometimes when you have a child that isn't listening you have got yo let them fall. Let them go off in their arrogance and pride, like the prodigal son, until they come back smilling like pigs, then they will listen.
If God just said "I know you are going to screw it up so I'll avoid the rush and destroy you now, on the day of judgment, where is the evidence? We would say, "You never gave us a chance!" So God's purpose would seem to be to let all men make their choice, earn their treasure or compound their punishment, so on the day of judgment we know exactly why we are there, and exactly why we diserve what we got.
This is a broken world, and we (man) broke it. But find a good father-son relationship, and you will get a glimps of what God intended for us and Himself.
Sounds like Open Theism....That is to say, if you are applying that God to the God written in the Bible. If so,
If God is ignorant of certain things, then He does not know all things and His understanding is not infinite. Of course the Bible is against such false teaching.
"in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart, and knows all things,"- 1 John 3:20
"Great is our Lord, and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite,"- Psalm 147:5
Otherwise you did a pretty good job in refuting 'A New Dawn'
He regretted creating us because He felt bad for US? Are you saying God knew HE blew it?There were some Good questions there three dog. I personally think that God knows the end from the beginning , but in the case of Noah He felt sad about how evil and flawed man was. Perhaps he even regretted creation for our sake, after all what hope did we have then our now. Outside of the sacrafice of Jesus there is nothing, I however rejoice in the beleif that all men will be brought into Christ eventually.
Blessings In Christ
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