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And the same word is used for eternal life, so either there are both, eternal life and eternal damnation, or neither are true.the word originally used was aionios which does not exclusively imply eternity.
αἰώνιος , ον, also α, ον Pl. Ti.37d, Ep.Heb.9.12:*A. [select] lasting for an age (αἰών 11), perpetual, eternal (but dist. fr. ἀΐδιος, Plot.3.7.3), μέθη Pl.R. 363d; ἀνώλεθρον . . ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ αἰώνιον Id.Lg.904a, cf. Epicur. Sent.28; αἰ. κατὰ ψυχὴν ὄχλησις Id.Nat.131 G.; κακά, δεινά, Phld.Herc. 1251.18, D.1.13; αἰ. ἀμοιβαῖς βασανισθησόμενοι ib.19; τοῦ αἰ. θεοῦ Ep.Rom. 16.26, Ti.Locr.96c; οὐ χρονίη μοῦνον . . ἀλλ᾽ αἰωνίη Aret.CA1.5; αἰ. διαθήκη, νόμιμον, πρόσταγμα, LXX Ge.9.16, Ex.27.21, To.1.6; ζωή Ev.Matt.25.46, Porph.Abst.4.20; κόλασις Ev.Matt. l.c., Olymp. in Grg.p.278J.; πρὸ χρόνων αἰ. 2 Ep.Tim. 1.9: opp. πρόσκαιρος, 2 Ep.Cor. 4.18.
2. [select] holding an office or title for life, perpetual, γυμνασίαρχος CPHerm.62.
3. [select] = Lat. saecularis, Phleg.Macr.4.
4. [select] Adv. -ίως eternally, νοῦς ἀκίνητος αἰ. πάντα ὤν Procl.Inst.172, cf. Simp. in Epict.p.77D.; perpetually, μισεῖν Sch.E.Alc.338.
αἰώνιος
[select] lasting for an age (αἰών 3), Plat.: ever-lasting, eternal, id=Plat.
so that you can verify the source here is the link...
Matthew, verse 1, chapter 25, verse 46
Even if Scripture had been originally penned in English andAnd the same word is used for eternal life, so either there are both, eternal life and eternal damnation, or neither are true.
I think that there's a certain negative ego-boost the sinful natureOh, and where do you get the notion that God doesn't punish from?! Is the only thing that warrants the description unending torment in your view?
And the same word is used for eternal life, so either there are both, eternal life and eternal damnation, or neither are true.
If Jesus took away all peoples sin there would be NO punishment, no sin to punish for. He took the punishment for all sin, but most will not accept that and so will take the punishment on their own.Even if Scripture had been originally penned in English and
"eternal"/"everlasting"/"forever" were the words God originally chose
to put there, you have to remember that the adjective is impacted by
the noun it's referring to, not the other way around.
Again, lots of things in Scripture were labeled "everlasting" that
were not everlasting. I'm sure you're familiar with the verses I'm
talking about. If not, I'll be more than happy to share them here.
I would be no more inclined to consider that eternal punishment is
equal in duration to eternal life than I would that a long business
meeting would be equal in duration to a long summer. The adjective
"long" varies depending on the thing it's referring to.
Scripture is clear that Jesus takes away the sin of the world, so any
punishment associated with it would also be finite.
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10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
The Lake of Fire IS the second death, recieved only by Satan, his angels, and those who are still in their sin at the Great White Throne judgment. In revelation chapter 21 we get a word that is "faithful and true" that God dwells with us in the new city, except those who have recieved the second death." But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
If Jesus took away all peoples sin there would be NO punishment, no sin to punish for. He took the punishment for all sin, but most will not accept that and so will take the punishment on their own.
LOL, youre making a generic, blanket statement about myYou made a genaric, blanket statement about all the places words are used that translat eternal, ect.
There are different words available, if the author wanted to convey a different meaning:
Matthew speaks of an eternal fire, eternal punishment, eternal life,
and of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit as eternal sin.
Mark added eternal salvation(what is that if there is no eternal damnation?),
and Luke adds information about eternal dwellings. Corinthians tells of eternal things not seen in the heavens. Ephesians of eternal purpose and Thessalonians speaks of eternal comfort. Hebrews speaks again of eternal salvation and throws in eternal redemption. Hebrews also speaks of eternal judgment for some and eternal inheritance for others and reminds us that we have an eternal covenant with Jesus Christ. Peter tells of eternal glory and eternal kingdom and jude speaks of the eternal bonds of the fallen angels.
It doesnt take a word master to know that they didnt speakTell me oh word master, which are really eternal and which are only temporary?
Different prophecy show us that things are eternal with out using the word: 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
" But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
The Lake of Fire IS the second death, recieved only by Satan, his angels, and those who are still in their sin at the Great White Throne judgment. In revelation chapter 21 we get a word that is "faithful and true" that God dwells with us in the new city, except those who have recieved the second death.
It doesn't make sense on any level. From the outset God sets up the parameters where most or much of His own creation will be lost for ever? God wills all men to be safe but it could never happen? But yet God works all things in accordance with the purpose of His will, except apparently being able to reconcile everything into Himself?!
But then all things be they in Heaven or Earth are reconciled. God will be All in all. God is the saviour of ALL men especially of those who believe. Jesus died as a ranson for ALL to be testified in due time. God will not cast off forever.
However, if we ascribe to the "orthodox" line then God, the source of all light and love, couldn't find any other way of creating a world with sentient creatures that wouldn't result in eternal pain. Apparently it was impossible to take any such variable as 'free will' into the equation without still being able to avoid the same unending pain of those He creates. As usual with this type of dogma it places so many restraints on what God can and can't achieve.
Prior to Augustine, Constantine and the early RCC it didn't seem to be what the early church founders haed garnered from the original greek and hebrew texts. Origen predates the orthodox message we have today. Still, what better way to keep people in line than through the fear of pain....
Dogma is more aboutin line to a set theology than it is about good news IMO....
Are a tall building and a tall man necessarily the same size?And the same word is used for eternal life, so either there are both, eternal life and eternal damnation, or neither are true.
Well said in revelations we are left with kings and nations....The Lake of Fire IS the second death, recieved only by Satan, his angels, and those who are still in their sin at the Great White Throne judgment. In revelation chapter 21 we get a word that is "faithful and true" that God dwells with us in the new city, except those who have recieved the second death.
I hope I have given you something to ponder. I will be gone and not able to respond for a couple days.
Blessings and truth to you all,
Tim
I don't get your pointWell said in revelations we are left with kings and nations....
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Now look at this.......
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Seems like there is still rule and authority in Revelations .......Blessings In Christ Jesus
all rulle and authority are put away In 1 Corinthians but Revelations ends with rule and authority and power in place.I don't get your point
Why don't you actually quote the verse instead of giving us the Gospel according to chaela.
LOL, LOL, and your doing a genaric avoidance of the issue.
You are talking through your snout. You cannot say what would have been used.
WOW, your smrat
You are a liar and a false teacher. this is not in scripture.
31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
As noted above, you teach falsely. only two ages are mentioned, the one they are in and the one to come. The Eternal one.
I would if you said something worth hearing
And if you studied your bible you would know there is no time after this age, so the next one IS eternal, it is the LAST age.
But you can't answer my question.
You forgot to quote this from the bible.
Mis-quotes and fabrications, every one of them. You twist the word of God and add to it which is strictly forbidden.
the last age IS eternal
this is a lie:oYou keep quoting things that don't show up in scripture the way you quote them
I'll agree with that.
This has nothing to do with the eternal.
There is so much FALSE teaching and mis quoting and all manor of Bible hacking in this ...The Bible warns about guys like you: 1 Timothy 4:1
Your examples don't work because the two things you used could not possibley be the same size. In the physical, torment and life are both temporary. In the spiritual, both can be eteranl and both are intended as eternal. There is this age and the last age to come. If you tack on more ages then even eteral life is not what is promised, and you add to scripture.the argument (mine) makes perfect sense because you are using one descriptive word to describe two different things and saying that since the same descriptive word is used the two different things are the same size. I have given three examples as to how this logic does not function.
Please post each verse you say was "hacked and twisted" andTake that list of versed chaela quoted, they are hacked and twisted and in no way represent truth. Check for yourself.
Depends on when you think judgment takes place. Paul clearlyProve to me the next age after judgement has an end and you may have an arguement but that takes away eternal salvation too, scarry though.
Earthly rule and authority will end, Christ rule will be handed over to the Father, but God reigns "forever, eternally". read in context!all rulle and authority are put away In 1 Corinthians but Revelations ends with rule and authority and power in place.
No, I get angry when I see scripture hacked and abused for false teachingWow, very defensive post! If anything I've said so far were
truly false in your estimation, it wouldn't be bothering you so much.
People tend to get angry when they suspect they could be wrong
about concepts they've held near and dear to their hearts for so
long.
Let the Son shine in!
And you will have to take it up with Jesus why you mis-quote and add to HIS word. And I actually feel sorry for you in that!Depends on when you think judgment takes place. Paul clearly
indicated that there was more than one age to come. If you don't
agree with that, you'll have to take it up with him.
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why don't you quote scripture unstead of mis-interpreting it for us!Depends on when you think judgment takes place. Paul clearly
indicated that there was more than one age to come. If you don't
agree with that, you'll have to take it up with him.
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