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Universal Reconciliation

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The same way the Lord chose Israel, then later exiled them to Babel, then later, brought them back into the land of Israel. I guess you're not familiar with the idea of "reconciliation"?
Jer 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my mind could not be toward this people: cast them out of my sight, and let them go forth.
Eze 11:9 And I will bring you out of the midst thereof, and deliver you into the hands of strangers, and will execute judgments among you.
Ho 9:12 Though they bring up their children, yet will I bereave them, that there shall not be a man left: yea, woe also to them when I depart from them!
Jer 29:14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.
Mic 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
Please show me where God uses the word "never" in this passage as Jesus did in Matthew 7:23? And note in this proof text passage God first says "my mind could not be toward this people: cast them out of my sight, and let them go forth. vs. 1." Then in the same passage vs. 14 "I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive." I must be missing something I don't see where Jesus said "I never knew you but later on I will know you and welcome you into the kingdom."
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Ro 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Proof text theology, a verse here and a verse there but as I said there is no verse anywhere in the Bible where Jesus Himself says to those in Matthew 7:22-23 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" but later Jesus says "I will say to them I now know you welcome to my kingdom." I guess the word "never" in vs. 23 does not really mean never. Had Jesus said "I do not know you" that might allow for Jesus knowing them afterward but Jesus said "I never knew you."
 
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...I believe most people who believe "eternal suffering" doctrine are, no offense, but milk-fed babes in understanding; having done very little of their own study of these things, and fully relying on what they have been told, and doctrine derived from specious English translations of some few passages.
A gross, false generalization. Rather you will find that professors with multiple degrees who have taught Biblical languages and Bible history for years believe in the Biblical doctrine of "eternal, unending, everlasting punishment."
Universal reconciliation is based on verses that are simple: they use the word "all" which in any language is not a debated word. Meaning, no one debates the meaning of the word "kol/pan/pas" it is "all".
"Eternal suffering" doctrine is not only not in scripture, but the word "eternal/everlasrting" is being translated from "olam/aionos" which is a highly debated word. So the doctrine is not only non-existent in scripture, the foundational word being employed by its believers is highly questionable in translation.
So on the one hand we have universal reconciliation which is supported by scripture, which uses simple language, and no debated words; on the other hand we have eternal suffering which is unsupported by scripture, uses complex language, and is founded on a highly debated word. Also, let's not forget that the latter if wrong is the worst form of blasphemy against God. So, teach it at your own risk, because universal reconciliation doesn't mean, no punishment prior to reconciliation.
The only people who "highly" debate the meaning of aion/aionios and olam are people with little or no knowledge of Hebrew and Koine Greek.

Nine language sources cited. Fourteen total references! 1. NAS Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries, 2. Thayer’s Lexicon, 3. Vine’s Expository of Biblical Words, 3 references, 4. Louw-Nida Greek English Lexicon of the NT based on Semantic Domains, 2 references, 5. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, 6. Abridged Greek lexicon, Liddell-Scott, 7. Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon, 3 references, 8. Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich, Danker Greek English Lexicon of the NT and other Early Christian Literature, 9. Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the NT.
Aion, Aionios and the lexicons:
166. αιωνιος aionios; from 165; agelong, eternal:— eternal(66), eternity(1), forever(1).

Thomas, Robert L., Th.D., General Editor, New American Standard Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries,
166 aionios- αιωνιος
1) without beginning and end, what has always been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

---Thayers
2. αιωνιος aionios [166] "describes duration, either undefined but not endless, as in <Rom. 16:25; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 1:2>; or undefined because endless as in <Rom. 16:26>, and the other sixty-six places in the NT.
"The predominant meaning of αιωνιος , that in which it is used everywhere in the NT, save the places noted above, may be seen in <2 Cor. 4:18>, where it is set in contrast with proskairos, lit., `for a season,' and in <Philem. 15>, where only in the NT it is used without a noun. Moreover it is used of persons and things which are in their nature endless, as, e. g., of God, <Rom. 16:26>; of His power, <1 Tim. 6:16>, and of His glory, <1 Pet. 5:10>; of the Holy Spirit, <Heb. 9:14>; of the redemption effected by Christ, <Heb. 9:12>, and of the consequent salvation of men, <5:9>, as well as of His future rule, <2 Pet. 1:11>, which is elsewhere declared to be without end, <Luke 1:33>; of the life received by those who believe in Christ, <John 3:16>, concerning whom He said, `they shall never perish,' <10:28>, and of the resurrection body, <2 Cor. 5:1>, elsewhere said to be `immortal,' <1 Cor. 15:53>, in which that life will be finally realized, <Matt. 25:46; Titus 1:2>.
αιωνιος is also used of the sin that `hath never forgiveness,' <Mark 3:29>, and of the judgment of God, from which there is no appeal, <Heb. 6:2>, and of the fire, which is one of its instruments, <Matt. 18:8; 25:41; Jude 7>, and which is elsewhere said to be `unquenchable,' <Mark 9:43>.
"The use of αιωνιος here shows that the punishment referred to in <2 Thes. 1:9>, is not temporary, but final, and, accordingly, the phraseology shows that its purpose is not remedial but retributive."
From Notes on Thessalonians, by Hogg and Vine, pp 232, 233. (from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words) (Copyright (C) 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
67.96 αιωνιος aji>vdio", on; aijwvnio", on: pertaining to an unlimited duration of time - ‘eternal.’

aji>vdio"ò h{ te aji>vdio" aujtou` duvnami" kai; qeiovth" ‘his eternal power and divine nature’ Ro 1.20.
aijwvnio"ò blhqh`nai eij" to; pu`r to; aijwvnion ‘be thrown into the eternal fire’ Mt 18.8; tou` aijwnivou qeou` ‘of the eternal God’ Ro 16.26.
The most frequent use of αιωνιος in the NT is with zwhv ‘life,’ for example, i{na pa`" oJ pisteuvwn ejn aujtw/` e[ch/ zwh;n aijwvnion ‘so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life’ Jn 3.15. In combination with zwhv there is evidently not only a temporal element, but also a qualitative distinction. In such contexts, αιωνιος evidently carries certain implications associated with αιωνιος in relationship to divine and supernatural attributes. If one translates ‘eternal life’ as simply ‘never dying,’ there may be serious misunderstandings, since persons may assume that ‘never dying’ refers only to physical existence rather than to ‘spiritual death.’ Accordingly, some translators have rendered ‘eternal life’ as ‘unending real life,’ so as to introduce a qualitative distinction.

Louw, Johannes P. and Nida, Eugene A., Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament based on Semantic Domains, (New York: United Bible Societies) 1988, 1989.
αιωνιος aionios. An adjective meaning “eternal,” and found in the LXX in Pss. 24; 77:5; Gen. 21:33, aionios in the NT is used 1. of God (Rom. 16:26), 2. of divine possessions and gifts (2 Cor. 4:18; Heb. 9:14; 1 Pet. 5:10; 1 Tim. 6:16; 2 Th. 2:16, and 3. of the eternal kingdom (2 Pet. 1:11), inheritance (Heb. 9:15), body (2 Cor. 5:1), and even judgment (Heb. 6:2, though cf. Mt. 18:8; 2 Th. 1:9, where the sense is perhaps “unceasing”).
Kittel, Gerhard, and Friedrich, Gerhard, Editors, The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Abridged in One Volume, (Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company) 1985.
αιωνιος aionios ", ov and a, ov, lasting for an age (aion 3), Plat.: ever-lasting, eternal, Id.
Liddell, H. G., and Scott, Abridged Greek-English Lexicon, (Oxford: Oxford University Press) 1992.
166 aionios { ahee-o’-nee-os} αιωνιος from 165; TDNT - 1:208,31; adj
AV - eternal 42, everlasting 25, the world began + 5550 2, since the world began + 5550 1, for ever 1; 71
GK - 173 { aionios }
1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.) 1995.
CL The Gk. word αιων aion, which is probably derived from aei, … It thus appeared appropriate to later philosophers to use the word both for the dim and distant past, the beginning of the world, and for the far future, eternity (e.g. Plato, Tim. 37d).
Plato (Timoeus, ed. Steph. 3, 37, or ed. Baiter, Orell. et Winck. 712) says, speaking of the universe: …The nature therefore of the animal (living being) was eternal (aionios, before aidios), and this indeed it was impossible to adapt to what was produced (to genneto, to what had a beginning); he thinks to make a moveable image of eternity (aionos), and in adoring the heavens he makes of the eternity permanent in unity a certain eternal image moving in number, … And after unfolding this, he says (p. 38): "But these forms of time imitating eternity (aiona), and rolling round according to number, have had a beginning (gegonen).... For that pattern exists for all eternity (panta aiona estin on), but on the other hand, that which is perpetual (dia telous) throughout all time has had a beginning, and is, and will be." … Aion is what is properly eternal, in contrast with a divine imitation of it in ages of time, the result of the creative action of God which imitated the uncreate as nearly as He could in created ages.. ]
In Plato the term is developed so as to represent a timeless, immeasurable and transcendent super-time, an idea of time in itself. Plutarch and the earlier Stoics appropriate this understanding, and from it the Mysteries of Aion, the god of eternity, could be celebrated in Alexandria, and gnosticism could undertake its own speculations on time.
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NIDNTT Colin Brown
Aristotle peri ouranou, 1, 9 (ed. Bekker, 1, 279): "Time," he says, "is the number of movement, but there is no movement without a physical body. But outside heaven it has been shewn that there is not, nor possibly can come into existence, any body. It is evident then that there is neither place, nor void, nor time outside. Wherefore neither in place are things there formed by nature; nor does time cause them to grow old: neither is there any change of anything of those things which are arranged beyond the outermost orbit; but unchangeable, and subject to no influence, having the best and most independent life, they continue for all eternity (aiona). … According to the same word (logon) the completeness of the whole heaven, and the completeness which embraces all time and infinitude is aion, having received this name from existing for ever (apo tou aei einai), immortal (athanatos, undying), and divine." In 10 he goes on to shew that that beginning to be (genesthai) involves the not existing always, which I refer to as shewing what he means by aion. He is proving the unchangeable eternity of the visible universe. That is no business of mine; but it shews what he means by eternity (aion). It cannot be aidion and genesthai at the same time, when, as in Plato, aidios is used as equivalent to aionios
Philo, the sentence is in De Mundo, 7, en aioni de oute pareleluthen ouden, oute mellei, alla monon iphesteken. Such a definition needs no explanation: in eternity nothing is passed, nothing is about to be, but only subsists. This has the importance of being of the date and Hellenistic Greek of the New Testament, as the others give the regular, and at the same time philosophical force of the word, aion, aionios. Eternity, unchangeable, with no 'was' nor 'will be,' is its proper force, that it can be applied to the whole existence of a thing, so that nothing of its nature was before true or after is true, to telos to periechon. But its meaning is eternity, and eternal. … That is, things that are for a time are put in express contrast with aionia, which are not for a time, be it age or ages, but eternal. Nothing can be more decisive of its positive and specific meaning.
0166 aionios αιωνιος without beginning or end, eternal, everlasting

LEH lxx lexicon
UBS GNT Dict. # 169 (Str#166)
aionios eternal (of quality rather than of time); unending, everlasting, for all time
αιωνιος (iva Pla., Tim. 38b; Jer 39:40; Ezk 37:26; 2 Th 2:16; Hb 9:12; as v.l. Ac 13:48; 2 Pt 1:11; Bl-D. §59, 2; Mlt.-H. 157), on eternal (since Hyperid. 6, 27; Pla.; inscr., pap., LXX; Ps.-Phoc. 112; Test. 12 Patr.; standing epithet for princely, esp. imperial power: Dit., Or. Index VIII; BGU 176; 303; 309; Sb 7517, 5 [211/2 ad] kuvrio" aij.; al. in pap.; Jos., Ant. 7, 352).

1. without beginning crovnoi" aij. long ages ago Ro 16:25; pro; crovnwn aij. before time began 2 Ti 1:9; Tit 1:2 (on crovno" aij. cf. Dit., Or. 248, 54; 383, 10).
2. without beginning or end; of God (Ps.-Pla., Tim. Locr. 96c qeo;n t. aijwvnion; Inscr. in the Brit. Mus. 894 aij. k. ajqavnato"; Gen 21:33; Is 26:4; 40:28; Bar 4:8 al.; Philo, Plant. 8; 74; Sib. Or., fgm. 3, 17 and 4; PGM 1, 309; 13, 280) Ro 16:26; of the Holy Spirit in Christ Hb 9:14. qrovno" aij. 1 Cl 65:2 (cf. 1 Macc 2:57).
3. without end (Diod. S. 1, 1, 5; 5, 73, 1; 15, 66, 1 dovxa aij. everlasting fame; in Diod. S. 1, 93, 1 the Egyptian dead are said to have passed to their aij. …keep someone forever Phlm 15 (cf. Job 40:28). …On the other hand of eternal life (Maximus Tyr. 6, 1d qeou` zwh; aij.; Diod. S. 8, 15, 3 life meta; to;n qavnaton lasts eij" a{panta aijw`na; Da 12:2; 4 Macc 15:3; PsSol 3, 12; Philo, …carav IPhld inscr.; doxavzesqai aijwnivw/ e[rgw/ be glorified by an everlasting deed IPol 8:1. DHill, Gk. Words and Hebr. Mngs. ’67, 186-201. M-M.

Bauer, Walter, Gingrich, F. Wilbur, and Danker, Frederick W., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, (Chicago: University of Chicago Press) 1979.
BIBLE STUDY MANUALS - AIONIOS -- AN IN DEPTH STUDY
αιωνιος

Strong's - Greek 165
NRSV (the uses of the word in various contexts in the NRSV text):
again, age, course, end, eternal, forever, permanent, time, world, worlds
CGED (A Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament, by Barclay M. Newman, New York: United Bible Societies, 1993, page 5):
age; world order; eternity (ap aion or pro aion, from the beginning; eis aion, and the strengthened form eis tous aion, ton aion, always, forever);
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology [NIDNTT], Volume 3 (edited by Colin Brown, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan, 1978, page 827, 830):
In Plato the term [aion] is developed so as to represent a timeless, immeasurable and transcendent super-time, an idea of time in itself. Plutarch and other earlier Stoics appropriate this understanding, and from it the Mysteries of Aion, the god of eternity, could be celebrated in Alexandria, and gnosticism could undertake its own speculations on time.
The statements of the Johannine [John, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John] writings, … reveal a strong inclination to conceive of a timeless, because post-temporal, eternity… As in the OT [Old Testament], these statements reveal the background conviction that God's life never ends, i.e. that everything belonging to him can also never come to an end
aion - αιων - age, world

A. "for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity; the worlds, universe; period of time, age."
Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.) 1995, [Online] Available: Logos Library System.
aionion, aioniosαιωνιον, αιωνιος - eternal

B. "aionios," the adjective corresponding, denoting eternal. It is used of that which in nature is endless, as, e.g., of God, (Rom. 16:26), His power, (1 Tim. 6:16), His glory, (1 Pet. 5:10), the Holy Spirit, (Heb. 9:14), redemption, (Heb. 9:12), salvation, (5:9), life in Christ, (John 3:16), the resurrection body, (2 Cor. 5:1), the future rule of Christ, (2 Pet. 1:11), which is declared to be without end, (Luke 1:33), of sin that never has forgiveness, (Mark 3:29), the judgment of God, (Heb. 6:2), and of fire, one of its instruments, (Matt. 18:8; 25:41; Jude 7)."
i. Rom. 16:26 - " . . .according to the commandment of the eternal God. . ."
ii. 1 Tim. 6:16 - ". . . To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen."
iii. 1 Pet. 5:10 - " . . . who called you to His eternal glory in Christ,"
iv. Mark 3:29 - " . . . never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin."
v. etc.
SOURCE: Vine, W. E., Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, (Grand Rapids, MI: Fleming H. Revell) 1981, Available: Logos Library System.
• "describes duration, either undefined but not endless, as in Rom. 16:25; 2 Tim. 1:9; Tit. 1:2; or undefined because endless as in Rom. 16:26, and the other sixty–six places in the N.T.
A. Rom. 16:25 - " . . which has been kept secret for long ages past,"
B. Rom 16:26 - ". . . according to the commandment of the eternal God,"
C. 2 Tim. 1:9 - ". . . which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,"
D. Titus 1:2 - "the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised" long ages ago"
SOURCE: Vine, W. E., Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, (Grand Rapids, MI: Fleming H. Revell) 1981, [Online] Available: Logos Library System)
• Eis tous aionios ton aionion – εις τους αιωνας των αιωνιωον
- Forever and Ever, Lit. "into the age of the ages"
A. "unlimited duration of time, with particular focus upon the future - ‘always, forever, forever and ever, eternally."
B. Phil. 4:20 - ". . .to our God and Father be the glory forever and ever."
C. Rev. 19:3 - " . . .Her smoke rises up forever and ever."
D. Rev. 20:20 - "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

SOURCE:
Louw, Johannes P. and Nida, Eugene A., Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament based on Semantic Domains, (New York: United Bible Societies) 1988, 1989, Available: Logos Library System.
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Also speaking of "depart from Me" or, casting away of, people: keep in mind:

Ro 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Oh look, there's reconciliation for the world by casting away of, certain people. Who wants to wager that when Jesus says "depart from Me, you workers of iniquity" He is talking to most of professing Christians, and this is an impetus to the reconciliation of all things? Because, look, Jesus does say "Many will say to Me, Lord, Lord" right? Professing to know Him? Sounds like the greater part of Christianity is to be getting ye olde boote from the kingdom. And, if the casting away of them be...? Just a radical thought.

Oh but look; casting away precedes receiving. There's that pattern again, that's all through the scripture.
 
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Possibly it will occur to you someday that if all of us and just about every Christian denomination interprets such passages (and more) in a certain way...while you follow what is very much a different and unusual view, it might just be the case that 1) the historic and predominant Christian interpretation can be correct, and 2) your concept is not something that none of the rest of us has ever heard before.
 
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Also speaking of "depart from Me" or, casting away of, people: keep in mind:
Ro 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Oh look, there's reconciliation for the world by casting away of, certain people.
Anyone can prove almost anything by quoting selective verses out-of-context.
Romans 11:15
(15) For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Notice that the reconciling is conditional.
Romans 11:23
(23) And they [the Jews] also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Who wants to wager that when Jesus says "depart from Me, you workers of iniquity" He is talking to most of professing Christians, and this is an impetus to the reconciliation of all things? Because, look, Jesus does say "Many will say to Me, Lord, Lord" right? Professing to know Him? Sounds like the greater part of Christianity is to be getting ye olde boote from the kingdom. And, if the casting away of them be...? Just a radical thought.
I do not interpret scripture based on "wagers" and assumptions. Show me where Jesus Himself after He said "depart from me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you", He will then say "I now know you welcome to my kingdom?" If we don't have that all we have is assumption/presupposition.
Oh but look; casting away precedes receiving. There's that pattern again, that's all through the scripture
And no matter how many times you recite this presumed "pattern" the condition remains, "if they abide not still in unbelief." Now about the words "I never knew you" being past tense. Jesus is outside of time, remember John 8:58 "Amen Amen I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
 
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remember John 8:58 "Amen Amen I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

Also as a side, I think ego eimi is better translated "I am He" and is a specific reference to the "ani hu/ego eimi" passages in Isaiah, and is one of the identifying "names" of Jehovah.

Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?
Isa 46:4 And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.
Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
Joh 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.
Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

All bolded are in Hebrew "ani hu" and in Greek "ego eimi": "Before the day was, ego eimi/ani hu/I am He" "before Abraham was, ego eimi/ani hu/I am He"
 
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The depart time in Matthew 25 is to the lake of fire...the time of when the earth is about to pass away.

Assumption. Also doesn't overturn or cancel out or contradict the OP passages; those passages in the OP will always be in the bible, no matter how hard you try to erase them by citing other passages, and rely on assumption. The OP passages are also easy to understand, and no one debates the words being translated: no one debates whether or not "pas" means "all" in Greek. "aionos" on the other hand, is highly specious and debated being translated "eternal" as it not only is obviously not the meaning of the word in the passages cited above, but that it means "pertaining to an age of time"

For the new earth scene time look at the end of Isaiah 66.

In the Revelation there is a 1000 year span of time between the coming of the Lord and the making new of all things. Paul the apostle differentiates between the coming of the Lord and "then the end" which follows after that, at which "end":

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

You'll notice "He must reign UNTIL" and that during the 1000 years:

Re 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

I propose that during this 1000 years will be the time when all come to know Him; that at the beginning of this reign, many who say "Lord, Lord" He will say "depart from Me" and they will not reign with Him, and this will come to pass:

Lu 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Note the "weeping and gnashing of teeth" in that verse but the lack of "fire": why are they weeping and gnashing their teeth: because they are filled with terrible sorrow at being rejected. Yet, after the 1000 years, they will be "made new" in Christ with the entire creation; thus:

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 
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That was so the church/Gentiles have an opportunity

It was cited to show once again that casting away precedes receiving. It is a theme of scripture that I realize most of you want to deny unto the end, but nevertheless it is there: casting away precedes reconciliation, death precedes resurrection, destruction precedes restoration, lost precedes found. This pattern in scripture renders all of your citations of "destruction/judgment/casting away/lost" irrelevant, and 100% assumption that, "destruction is the end and nothing happens afterward" since the pattern shows that is pure assumption certainly not based on what they bible clearly shows.

If you are referring to events in Matthew 25, that is at the end of the world, so is this part
in Matthew 7.
"in that day"

Assumption. Also does not erase the OP passages even if it were "the end".

Actually, God hates and loves. It is only those He loves that He will have mercy on.

Great! Ro 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
 
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Also as a side, I think ego eimi is better translated "I am He" and is a specific reference to the "ani hu/ego eimi" passages in Isaiah, and is one of the identifying "names" of Jehovah.

And you have how many semesters of Koine Greek?

A.T. Robertson John 8:58. [Taught graduate level Greek for 47 years and wrote 40+ books on Greek and the N.T.]
Before Abraham was (prin Abraam genesthai). Usual idiom with prin in positive sentence with infinitive (second aorist middle of ginomai) and the accusative of general reference, “before coming as to Abraham,” “before Abraham came into existence or was born.”
I am (egō eimi). Undoubtedly here Jesus claims eternal existence with the absolute phrase used of God. The contrast between genesthai (entrance into existence of Abraham) and eimi (timeless being) is complete. See the same contrast between en in Joh_1:1 and egeneto in Joh_1:14. See the contrast also in Psa_90:2 between God (ei, art) and the mountains (genēthēnai). See the same use of eimi in Joh_6:20; Joh_9:9; Joh_8:24, Joh_8:28; Joh_18:6.
Everywhere you see "I am he" in the NT the pronoun "he" is in italics, not in the original Greek, added by the translators
KJV John 8:28
(28) Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. More modern version correctly omit the pronoun.
ISV John 8:28
(28) So Jesus told them, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I AM,[*] and that I do nothing on my own authority. Instead, I speak only what the Father has taught me.
Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?
Isa 46:4 And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.
Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
Joh 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.
Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

All bolded are in Hebrew "ani hu" and in Greek "ego eimi": "Before the day was, ego eimi/ani hu/I am He" "before Abraham was, ego eimi/ani hu/I am He"
Note the same KJV which inserted the pronoun "he" in other verses did not insert it in John 8:58. Funny how the KJV is right when it agrees with someone's assumptions/presuppositions but throw it out the window when it does not. More than a little inconsistent.
 
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Everywhere you see "I am he" in the NT the pronoun "he" is in italics, not in the original Greek, added by the translators

It's because in the Hebrew the phrase is "ani hu" which means "I am he": and which in the LXX is rendered "ego eimi": thus "ego eimi" is employment of the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew "ani hu". Which is why I put "ani hu/ego eimi" together in my post. If you look at the Hebrew you will see "I am he" is "ani hu" if you look at the Greek, you will see "ani hu" is "ego eimi" and as such, this is why I say the phrase is better translated "I am he"; especially when used without qualification. The purpose of proper translation is to bring the idea into the new language in a grammatically correct fashion: to translate "I am he that is speaking" as "I am that is speaking" doesn't follow the grammar of English, which is why they put "he" in italics; because it is not in the phrase "ego eimi" but it is what the phrase "ego eimi" translates best into English for purposes of grammar.

Also the person you cite, who says "undoubtedly" is presenting a highly specious argument. By his logic, the blind man was claiming eternal existence when he said:

Joh 9:8-9 The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged? Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.

But he wasn't claiming eternal nature with the words, he was just saying that he was the one who was blind. Jesus is using the words differently, and John and Isaiah are weaving together this "name" being expressed, as Isaiah says. Note the last time Jesus says "I am He" it causes the temple servants to fall before Him. By stating "before Abraham was" He is referencing an existence prior to Abraham, but "ego eimi" doesn't do that, but does the same as in Isaiah when Jehovah says "Before the day was, ani hu/ego eimi/I am He"

Also, now all you're doing is trying to avoid the topic. I guess when I asked "what next?" the answer was "red herring"
 
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It's because in the Hebrew the phrase is "ani hu" which means "I am he": and which in the LXX is rendered "ego eimi": thus "ego eimi" is employment of the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew "ani hu". Which is why I put "ani hu/ego eimi" together in my post. If you look at the Hebrew you will see "I am he" is "ani hu" if you look at the Greek, you will see "ani hu" is "ego eimi" and as such, this is why I say the phrase is better translated "I am he"; especially when used without qualification. The purpose of proper translation is to bring the idea into the new language in a grammatically correct fashion: to translate "I am he that is speaking" as "I am that is speaking" doesn't follow the grammar of English, which is why they put "he" in italics; because it is not in the phrase "ego eimi" but it is what the phrase "ego eimi" translates best into English for purposes of grammar.
Also the person you cite, who says "undoubtedly" is presenting a highly specious argument. By his logic, the blind man was claiming eternal existence when he said:
Joh 9:8-9 The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged? Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.
But he wasn't claiming eternal nature with the words, he was just saying that he was the one who was blind. Jesus is using the words differently, and John and Isaiah are weaving together this "name" being expressed, as Isaiah says. Note the last time Jesus says "I am He" it causes the temple servants to fall before Him. By stating "before Abraham was" He is referencing an existence prior to Abraham, but "ego eimi" doesn't do that, but does the same as in Isaiah when Jehovah says "Before the day was, ani hu/ego eimi/I am He"
Also, now all you're doing is trying to avoid the topic. I guess when I asked "what next?" the answer was "red herring"
Well I certainly appreciate this attempt to [re]interpret Greek to make it line up with one's assumptions/presuppositions but I quoted a Greek scholar who taught graduate level Greek for 47 years. Among the 40+ books he wrote was a 1200 page Greek grammar which is still used today. When I want factual Greek scholarship I go to those with documented expertise not agenda driven speculation from those with no demonstrated expertise. For your edification a quote from Dr. Dan Wallace who has taught graduate level Greek for 30+ years.
John 8:58 160 sn I am! is an explicit claim to deity. Although each occurrence of the phrase “I am” in the Fourth Gospel needs to be examined individually in context to see if an association with Exod 3:14 is present, it seems clear that this is the case here (as the response of the Jewish authorities in the following verse shows).
Dr. Marvin Vincent taught graduate level Greek for 30+ years.
John 8:58
Was, I am (γενέσθαι, ἐγώ εἰμι)
It is important to observe the distinction between the two verbs. Abraham's life was under the conditions of time, and therefore had a temporal beginning. Hence, Abraham came into being, or was born (γενέσθαι). Jesus' life was from and to eternity. Hence the formula for absolute, timeless existence, I am (ἐγώ εἰμι). See on John 1:3; see on John 7:34.
As for the blind man his statement is not relevant. The blind were thought to be sinners and were ostracized as lepers were. He would never have been in the temple or a synagogue and would have no more knowledge of the Jewish faith than a foreigner. There is another verse people quote trying to prove some point about "ego eimi" I'm surprised you didn't quote that one too.

 
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I don't like speaking for another member, but the fact is that the Bible is full of verses that speak of everlasting punishment for those who are evil while there is some support for Universal Salvation but it's very slim. No one with an open mind and determined to be guided by the testimony of Scripture can come down on the side of Universal Salvation IMO. We'd all kinda like it to be so, but we can't decide on that basis.
Actually you're just repeating the same terrible start as everyone prior to you. Matthew 25:41 speaks of "everlasting fire" (in some English translations; again "aionos" is a highly debated word, and "everlasting" is probably not the right idea for "aionos") but says nothing about people going into it, never coming out. So, strike one.

Matthew 25:46 "punishment" doesn't equal "suffering": if God strips a professing Christian of ever speaking or teaching the word of God again, it isn't "suffering" but it is "punishment". Also, eternal death would also be "punishment"; many forms of "punishment" - but here I would also highly question your translation of "aionos" as "everlasting"; and I would then also ask how you "reconcile" the verses speaking of universal reconciliation, as well as how you reconcile the idea of eternal suffering with the idea of eternal mercy.

So not only do your two verses not support "eternal suffering", but in order to propose your doctrine, you have to first ignore the verses in the OP, or, address them in some way, since your doctrine is now in direct conflict.
I think a better understanding of Matt 25:46 is necessary as it is probably the most commonly used verse against universal reconciliation. The argument of course is that if eternal in the second half of this verse means "forever" then by necessity it also has to mean forever in the first half. So the argument goes that aionion cannot refer to an unspecified but limited age of time but it must refer to "forever" since eternal life is forever - therefore punishment must also be forever. The weakness of this claim is that it fails to take into account context. Notice that in this passage Jesus is addressing a particular age of time; i.e, the millennium. In particular he is addressing groups of people who compose nations, separating the goats who are commanded to depart to the fire and the sheep who will enter the kingdom. The pertinent question is what kingdom is Jesus referring to in Matt 25:34? I would submit that Jesus is referring to his millennial kingdom. Thus my adaptation of the YLT reads: "And these shall go away to punishment age-during [millennium], but the righteous to life age-during [millennium]." This interpretation upholds the view that aionion refers to an age of time - in this case 1,000 years. The sheep occupy Jesus' kingdom on earth for the 1,000 years while the goat go to the lake of fire for 1,000 years, and after this millennial period comes the great white throne judgment.
 
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I think a better understanding of Matt 25:46 is necessary as it is probably the most commonly used verse against universal reconciliation. The argument of course is that if eternal in the second half of this verse means "forever" then by necessity it also has to mean forever in the first half. So the argument goes that aionion cannot refer to an unspecified but limited age of time but it must refer to "forever" since eternal life is forever - therefore punishment must also be forever. The weakness of this claim is that it fails to take into account context. Notice that in this passage Jesus is addressing a particular age of time; i.e, the millennium. In particular he is addressing groups of people who compose nations, separating the goats who are commanded to depart to the fire and the sheep who will enter the kingdom. The pertinent question is what kingdom is Jesus referring to in Matt 25:34? I would submit that Jesus is referring to his millennial kingdom. Thus my adaptation of the YLT reads: "And these shall go away to punishment age-during [millennium], but the righteous to life age-during [millennium]." This interpretation upholds the view that aionion refers to an age of time - in this case 1,000 years. The sheep occupy Jesus' kingdom on earth for the 1,000 years while the goat go to the lake of fire for 1,000 years, and after this millennial period comes the great white throne judgment.
It really doesn't change much as far as this particular issue is concerned. There are many references in the Bible to eternal or everlasting punishment as contrasted with only a handful of sketchy references to what might be considered hints about universal salvation. Matthew 25 was simply an example.
 
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I think a better understanding of Matt 25:46 is necessary as it is probably the most commonly used verse against universal reconciliation. The argument of course is that if eternal in the second half of this verse means "forever" then by necessity it also has to mean forever in the first half. So the argument goes that aionion cannot refer to an unspecified but limited age of time but it must refer to "forever" since eternal life is forever - therefore punishment must also be forever. The weakness of this claim is that it fails to take into account context. Notice that in this passage Jesus is addressing a particular age of time; i.e, the millennium. In particular he is addressing groups of people who compose nations, separating the goats who are commanded to depart to the fire and the sheep who will enter the kingdom. The pertinent question is what kingdom is Jesus referring to in Matt 25:34? I would submit that Jesus is referring to his millennial kingdom. Thus my adaptation of the YLT reads: "And these shall go away to punishment age-during [millennium], but the righteous to life age-during [millennium]." This interpretation upholds the view that aionion refers to an age of time - in this case 1,000 years. The sheep occupy Jesus' kingdom on earth for the 1,000 years while the goat go to the lake of fire for 1,000 years, and after this millennial period comes the great white throne judgment.

Please see my Link:Post #122 above where I quote nine Greek language references, that include quotes from pre-Christian Greek philosophers, Philo and Plato, which show that aion/aionios does in fact mean eternal, everlasting, unending.
 
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It really doesn't change much as far as this particular issue is concerned. There are many references in the Bible to eternal or everlasting punishment as contrasted with only a handful of sketchy references to what might be considered hints about universal salvation. Matthew 25 was simply an example.
The reason why I referenced Matt 25 was because it is not simply an example as you assume. In my years of studying this subject it is probably the most commonly used example to buttress support against the apokastasis view. Thus if one can demonstrate that the proponents who employ this verse against universalism use it out of context, then it strikes a blow at the heart of their main objection. In my opinion, this subject rises or falls upon whether the noun aion and its adjectival forms such as ainios and aionion refer to eternity and eternal respectively. I demonstrated in v.46 that this cannot be the case.
 
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The reason why I referenced Matt 25 was because it is not simply an example as you assume. In my years of studying this subject it is probably the most commonly used example to buttress support against the apokastasis view. Thus if one can demonstrate that the proponents who employ this verse against universalism use it out of context, then it strikes a blow at the heart of their main objection. In my opinion, this subject rises or falls upon whether the noun aion and its adjectival forms such as ainios and aionion refer to eternity and eternal respectively. I demonstrated in v.46 that this cannot be the case.
I will agree that this is probably the most often cited passage, and that's why it was selected; but as noted there are many others...and there's hardly anything on the Universal Salvation side of the issue. If we are to be guided by Scripture, we have to take everything into account.
 
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I guess all the native Greek speaking early church fathers got it wrong.
٠ “The Epistle of Barnabas” (70-130AD)
The way of darkness is crooked, and it is full of cursing. It is the way of eternal death with punishment.

٠Ignatius of Antioch (110AD)
Corrupters of families will not inherit the kingdom of God. And if they who do these things according to the flesh suffer death. how much more if a man corrupt by evil reaching the faith of God. for the sake of which Jesus Christ was crucified? A man become so foul will depart into unquenchable fire: and so will anyone who listens to him. (Letter to the Ephesians 16:1-2)
٠From Clement of Rome (150AD)
If we do the will of Christ, we shall obtain rest; but if not, if we neglect his commandments, nothing will rescue us from eternal punishment (“Second Clement” 5:5)
But when they see how those who have sinned and who have denied Jesus by their words or by their deeds are punished with terrible torture in unquenchable fire, the righteous, who have done good, and who have endured tortures and have hated the luxuries of life, will give glory to their God saying, ‘There shall be hope for him that has served God with all his heart!’ (“Second Clement” 17:7)
٠From “The Martyrdom of Polycarp” (155AD)
This work was written by an Early Church Father (unknown author) and is dated very early in the history of Christianity. It describes the death of Polycarp, a disciple of the Apostle John, and also describes early teachings of the church:
Fixing their minds on the grace of Christ, [the martyrs] despised worldly tortures and purchased eternal life with but a single hour. To them, the fire of their cruel torturers was cold. They kept before their eyes their escape from the eternal and unquenchable fire (“Martyrdom of Polycarp” 2:3)

٠From Tatian (160AD)
We who are now easily susceptible to death, will afterwards receive immortality with either enjoyment or with pain.
٠From Athenagoras of Athens (175AD)
We are persuaded that when we are removed from the present life we will live another life, better than the present one…or, if they fall with the rest, they will endure a worse life, one in fire. For God has not made us as sheep or beasts of burden, who are mere by-products. For animals perish and are annihilated. On these grounds, it is not likely that we would wish to do evil. (“Apology”)
٠From Theophilus of Antioch (181AD)
Give studious attention to the prophetic writings [the Bible] and they will lead you on a clearer path to escape the eternal punishments and to obtain the eternal good things of God. . . . [God] will examine everything and will judge justly, granting recompense to each according to merit. To those who seek immortality by the patient exercise of good works, he will give everlasting life, joy, peace, rest, and all good things. . . . For the unbelievers and for the contemptuous, and for those who do not submit to the truth but assent to iniquity, when they have been involved in adulteries, and fornications, and homosexualities, and avarice, and in lawless idolatries, there will be wrath and indignation, tribulation and anguish; and in the end, such men as these will be detained in everlasting fire (“To Autolycus” 1:14)
٠From Irenaeus (189AD)
…Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven,, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess’ to Him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all; that He may send ‘spiritual wickednesses,’ and the angels who transgressed and became apostates, together with the ungodly, and unrighteous, and wicked, and profane among men, into everlasting fire; but may, in the exercise of His grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept His commandments, and have persevered in His love, some from the beginning of their Christian course, and others from the date of their repentance, and may surround them with everlasting glory. (“Against Heresies” 1:10:10)
The penalty increases for those who do not believe the Word of God and despise his coming. . . . t is not merely temporal, but eternal. To whomsoever the Lord shall say, ‘Depart from me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire,’ they will be damned forever (“Against Heresies” 4:28:2)

٠From Clement of Alexandria (195AD)
All souls are immortal, even those of the wicked. Yet, it would be better for them if they were not deathless. For they are punished with the endless vengeance of quenchless fire. Since they do not die, it is impossible for them to have an end put to their misery. (from a post-Nicene manuscript fragment)
٠From Tertullian (197AD)
These have further set before us the proofs He has given of His majesty in judgments by floods and fires, the rules appointed by Him for securing His favor, as well as the retribution in store for the ignoring, forsaking and keeping them, as being about at the end of all to adjudge His worshippers to everlasting life, and the wicked to the doom of fire at once without ending and without break, raising up again all the dead from the beginning, reforming and renewing them with the object of awarding either recompense. (“Apology” 18:3)
Then will the entire race of men be restored to receive its just deserts according to what it has merited in this period of good and evil, and thereafter to have these paid out in an immeasurable and unending eternity. Then there will be neither death again nor resurrection again, but we shall be always the same as we are now, without changing. The worshipers of God shall always be with God, clothed in the proper substance of eternity. But the godless and those who have not turned wholly to God will be punished in fire equally unending, and they shall have from the very nature of this fire, divine as it were, a supply of incorruptibility (“Apology” 44:12–13)
Therefore after this there is neither death nor repeated resurrections, but we shall be the same that we are now, and still unchanged–the servants of God, ever with God, clothed upon with the proper substance of eternity; but the profane, and all who are not true worshippers of God, in like manner shall be consigned to the punishment of everlasting fire–that fire which, from its very nature indeed, directly ministers to their incorruptibility. (“Apology” 48:12)
If, therefore, any one shall violently suppose that the destruction of the soul and the flesh in hell amounts to a final annihilation of the two substances, and not to their penal treatment (as if they were to be consumed, not punished), let him recollect that the fire of hell is eternal — expressly announced as an everlasting penalty; and let him admit that it is from this circumstance that this never-ending "killing" is more formidable than a merely human murder, which is only temporal. — On the Resurrection of the Flesh Chapter 35

٠From Hippolytus of Rome (212AD)
Standing before [Christ’s] judgment, all of them, men, angels, and demons, crying out in one voice, shall say: ‘Just is your judgment!’ … to the lovers of evil shall be given eternal punishment. The unquenchable and unending fire awaits these latter, and a certain fiery worm which does not die and which does not waste the body but continually bursts forth from the body with unceasing pain. No sleep will give them rest; no night will soothe them; no death will deliver them from punishment; no appeal of interceding friends will profit them (“Against the Greeks 3”)
٠From Felix Minucius (226AD)
I am not ignorant of the fact that many, in the consciousness of what they deserve, would rather hope than actually believe that there is nothing for them after death. They would prefer to be annihilated rather than be restored for punishment… Nor is there either measure nor end to these torments. That clever fire burns the limbs and restores them, wears them away and yet sustains them, just as fiery thunderbolts strike bodies but do not consume them (“Octavius” 34:12–5:3)
٠From Cyprian of Carthage (252 AD)
An ever-burning Gehenna and the punishment of being devoured by living flames will consume the condemned; nor will there be any way in which the tormented can ever have respite or be at an end. Souls along with their bodies will be preserved for suffering in unlimited agonies. . . . The grief at punishment will then be without the fruit of repentance; weeping will be useless, and prayer ineffectual. Too late will they believe in eternal punishment, who would not believe in eternal life (“To Demetrian” 24)
Oh,what and how great will that day be at its coming, beloved brethren, when the Lord shall begin to count up His people, and to recognize the deservings of each one by the inspection of His divine knowledge, to send the guilty to Gehenna, and to set on fire our persecutors with the perpetual burning of a penal fire, but to pay to us the reward of our faith and devotion! (“To Thibaris” 55:10)

٠From Lactantius (307AD)
But, however, the sacred writings inform us in what manner the wicked are to undergo punishment. For because they have committed sins in their bodies, they will again be clothed with flesh, that they may make atonement in their bodies; and yet it will not be that flesh with which God clothed man, like this our earthly body, but indestructible, and abiding forever, that it may be able to hold out against tortures and everlasting fire…The same divine fire, therefore, with one and the same force and power, will both burn the wicked and will form them again, and will replace as much as it shall consume of their bodies, and will supply itself with eternal nourishment …Then they whose piety shall have been approved of will receive the reward of immortality; but they whose sins and crimes shall have been brought to light will not rise again, but will be hidden in the same darkness with the wicked, being destined to certain punishment. (“Divine Institutes” 7:21)
٠From Cyril of Jerusalem (350AD)We shall be raised therefore, all with our bodies eternal, but not all with bodies alike: for if a man is righteous, he will receive a heavenly body, that he may be able worthily to hold converse with angels; but if a man is a sinner, he shall receive an eternal body, fitted to endure the penalties of sins, that he may burn eternally in fire, nor ever be consumed… (“Catechetical Lectures” 18:19)The real and true life then is the Father, who through the Son in the Holy Spirit pours forth as from a fountain His heavenly gifts to all; and through His love to man, the blessings of the life eternal are promised without fail to us men also. We must not disbelieve the possibility of this, but having an eye not to our own weakness but to His power, we must believe; for with God all things are possible. And that this is possible, and that we may look for eternal life, Daniel declares, And of the many righteous shall they shine as the stars forever and ever. And Paul says, And so shall we be ever with the Lord: for the being forever with the lord implies the life eternal. But most plainly of all the Savior Himself says in the Gospel, And these shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into life eternal. (“Catechetical Lectures” 18:28)
 
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There are many references in the Bible to eternal or everlasting punishment as contrasted with only a handful of sketchy references to what might be considered hints about universal salvation. Matthew 25 was simply an example.

Okay, the OP has how many passages? So far you've cited one? Which doesn't support eternal suffering at all. Want to go for, two?
 
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