United in error about God's commands, There is NO covenant with the gentiles anywhere in the bible!

[bugkiller]

False premise. The Natural branches (ref Rom 11) still exist and many have been grafted into their own natural tree. Gentiles are cut from a different tree but at repentance/salvation get cut out of that tree and become grafted into Israel. While the fruit and the leaves may look different (ref any nursery company that sells graft trees) they are all part of the overall called the "Commonwealth of Israel."

Ephesians 2:12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

I'm sorry but you neither understand grafting nor what the passages says. It says the natural branches must be graft in. The Root is not Israel. The Root is Jesus the Christ.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Who said all of Israel was in Jesus Christ? The Jewish people that do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, are not in Christ. Messianic Jews believe in Christ.

Now, God says that He will come back for His chosen people. That this is the time of the gentiles. God will not leave His chosen people, He will come back as a lion this time. And show the people of Israel that He is their God.

Jesus will show Himself again, this time not as a servant, but as King. This is what many Jewish people expect (God as King, not servant). The Jewish/Israelite's/Hebrew people will have another chance to come to Christ.

Sorry but we're passing each other at this point in time.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

In regards to Hebrews 8:12-13 - that is correct and the New Covenant has a new high Priest in Christ and his blood covers out sins not animals blood, so the OC is now obsolete.

Abraham was blessed because he was obedient to God, so while he had faith, he has great works as well with his obedience. Faith without works is dead, you can believe all you want but if you live like a heathen, Jesus himself will say he never knew you for practicing lip service.

Any issue of circumcision is the NT is all the same, the circumcision party went around saying you must be circumcised first in order to be saved and there is no where in the bible that says you must be circumcised 1st to be saved.


If you go and research the meaning of Romans 10:4, it is saying Christ is the completion of the law and that makes perfect sense because he did fulfill it, so our righteousness comes through Christ.

If you sin and dont repent you can still fall under judgment in regards to Rom 2:12 if you have never accepted Christ.

Gentiles were unbelievers back then, so its obvious they would not have the law, because a pagan/unbeliever isnt going to keep a law they dont know about. Israel was Gods chosen people, so they were grafted in when they were saved.

Not keeping the Sabbath given only to Israel is not living like a heathen.

bugkiller

 

[Dave-W]

The Root is not Israel. The Root is Jesus the Christ.

That is why I said you are mixing parables.

The VINE of john 15.5 is Jesus.
The olive tree of Rom 11 is Israel. That is why Jews (including unbelieving Jews that are enemies against the gospel) are called "natural branches."

It says the natural branches must be graft in.

Yes - those that are broken off for unbelief.

 

[bugkiller]

That is why I said you are mixing parables.

The VINE of john 15.5 is Jesus.
The olive tree of Rom 11 is Israel. That is why Jews (including unbelieving Jews that are enemies against the gospel) are called "natural branches."

Yes - those that are broken off for unbelief.

The Root is not Israel, sorry. Besides Eph 2 says we are follow citizens with the saints - not Israel.

bugkiller

 

[ToBeLoved]

I'm sorry but you neither understand grafting nor what the passages says. It says the natural branches must be graft in. The Root is not Israel. The Root is Jesus the Christ.

bugkiller

Yup. This is true. Just like Jesus is the Vine and we are the branches and the Father is the Vinedresser.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Abraham was blessed because he was obedient to God, so while he had faith, he has great works as well with his obedience.

He was made righteous by God because of his faith and that is also why he is the father of the faith. So neither great works or obedience is why God justified him.

 

[bugkiller]

He was made righteous by God because of his faith and that is also why he is the father of the faith. So neither great works or obedience is why God justified him.

Yeah they're so works oriented they missed the faith and declaration of righteousness.

bugkiller

 

[Dave-W]

The Root is not Israel,

Prove that scripturally. Specifically within the context of Rom. 11.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Prove that scripturally. Specifically within the context of Rom. 11.

Israel is the original branches. Gentiles are the wild olive shoot that has been grafted in. God/Jesus is the olive root.

Romans 11:17-20
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble.