United in error about God's commands, There is NO covenant with the gentiles anywhere in the bible!

[Steeno7]

Romans 7:6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

Paul specified that we died that that which held us captive. Instructions for how to have a righteous and holy conduct never held us captive, but rather our sin nature's mastery over us prevented us from having a righteous and holy conduct, so Christ died to set us free so that we could become obedient children of God.

That's a very inventive interpretation. But we all know the Law is more than "instructions", it demands what it demands and takes no captives. God does not grade on a scale, it's strictly pass/fail. And we all fail. Enter Jesus Christ. Thank you Jesus.

 

[Frogster]

With all the back and forth about the Sabbath, Feast Days, and a few more topics that usually divide many on here, alot of people always resort to THE GENTILES AREN'T COMMANDED OR HAVE TO DO X,Y,Z.


There is no covenant anywhere in the entire bible made with the gentiles, The New Covenant was for Israel and the gentiles are grafted in. There is no such thing as rules for Jews that believe in Jesus and rules for gentiles that believe in Jesus. Its the same commands we keep, outside the one ones that cant be kept because they dont apply to you (i.e your not a king, priest, woman, etc)


Jeremiah 31:31-34 (NKJV)
A New Covenant
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says theLord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Stop using Paul's writings out of context to prove points that are false.

Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all kept the dietary laws.
Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all kept the Sabbath.
Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all kept the Sabbath Days ( Passover, Pentecost, Tabernacles, etc)
Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all kept the laws of God and never abolished them the way modern Christianity does or say they arent needed.


Most of what we do now as Christians is out of tradition or misunderstanding of scriptures. While done with a good heart, many need to realize what is just passed down tradition done with good intentions and what is biblical.

So lets stop saying the Gentiles arent commanded to or dont have to do XYZ, because the gentiles are grafted int Israel when they are saved and have the same commands.

Red above, Paul did not keep the dietary laws, in fact all of the Jewish Christians in Antioch, lived as Gentiles! wow! That covers your 4 incorrect statements in the red. Next I will post a dietary post, just for you! Paul did not live as a Jew, Gal 4:12, 1 Cor 9, etc, numerous citations would prove it, in fact, the frog can fill this page with facts!

 

[Frogster]

With all the back and forth about the Sabbath, Feast Days, and a few more topics that usually divide many on here, alot of people always resort to THE GENTILES AREN'T COMMANDED OR HAVE TO DO X,Y,Z.


There is no covenant anywhere in the entire bible made with the gentiles, The New Covenant was for Israel and the gentiles are grafted in. There is no such thing as rules for Jews that believe in Jesus and rules for gentiles that believe in Jesus. Its the same commands we keep, outside the one ones that cant be kept because they dont apply to you (i.e your not a king, priest, woman, etc)


Jeremiah 31:31-34 (NKJV)
A New Covenant
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says theLord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Stop using Paul's writings out of context to prove points that are false.

Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all kept the dietary laws.
Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all kept the Sabbath.
Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all kept the Sabbath Days ( Passover, Pentecost, Tabernacles, etc)
Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all kept the laws of God and never abolished them the way modern Christianity does or say they arent needed.


Most of what we do now as Christians is out of tradition or misunderstanding of scriptures. While done with a good heart, many need to realize what is just passed down tradition done with good intentions and what is biblical.

So lets stop saying the Gentiles arent commanded to or dont have to do XYZ, because the gentiles are grafted int Israel when they are saved and have the same commands.

red ab0ve, here is a dietary post, for you to study, and enjoy, thanks!




It doesn’t matter about what we eat before God.

1 Cor 8:8 Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.

The kingdom of God, is NOT about foods.

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.



This..The LORD showed Paul, other than for the weak conscience Jewish person, who does not know better. Verse 14:20 says it is clean also.

Rom 14:14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean


Peter was eating Gentile unclean food.

Gal 2:12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.

Corinth sold the unclean idol meat, strangled meat, that had blood in it. Paul said eat it.

1 Cor 10:25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience.



QUOTING A PSALM HERE, to confirm his point about eating, after he said eat all in the pagan markets of Corinth...in chapter 10.

1 Cor 10:26 For "the earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof."


What kind of food would a Corinthian pagan serve? Paul said it eat, other than for their weak conscience, a different issue, but he said eat it, knowing it was idol food.


1 Cor 10:27 If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience.


Doctrine of demons, = food abstinence.

1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.


Peter ate unclean gentile food after the sheet event.

Acts 11:3Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

Philippi had so few Jews, that there was not even a synagogue there, yet Paul stayed with Gentile Lydia, did he not eat setting food , while being a guest there? The Roman guard in Acts 16, proves the same point, he fed Paul meat, it was not Kosher meat.

Acts 16:15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.

Paul ate the unclean meat of a Roman guard.


Acts 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.



How could Paul and Barnabas, preach and live with their Gentile converts, and the alienate them, by declaring them unclean, because of Mosaic food laws? That would be the very thing, Paul rebuked Peter for doing in Antioch, recorded in Galatians 2.

And of course....of course...Mark 7:19, Jesus declared all foods clean! That is an Aramaic Bible I used there too.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Mark 7:19“Because it does not enter his heart, but his belly, and is discharged by excretion, which purifies all foods.”


1 Cor 8..eating non Kosher, unclean meat, and meat that had blood, and strangled idol temple food was allowed, so long as stumbling was not going on.

The last word in Gen 9, had no restrictions. But Christians go be the expanding NT revelation anyway, that which I posted, even if we did not have Gen 9, the NT revelation clearly ended food restrictions.

Gen 9:2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

 

[Frogster]

With all the back and forth about the Sabbath, Feast Days, and a few more topics that usually divide many on here, alot of people always resort to THE GENTILES AREN'T COMMANDED OR HAVE TO DO X,Y,Z.


There is no covenant anywhere in the entire bible made with the gentiles, The New Covenant was for Israel and the gentiles are grafted in. There is no such thing as rules for Jews that believe in Jesus and rules for gentiles that believe in Jesus. Its the same commands we keep, outside the one ones that cant be kept because they dont apply to you (i.e your not a king, priest, woman, etc)


Jeremiah 31:31-34 (NKJV)
A New Covenant
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says theLord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Stop using Paul's writings out of context to prove points that are false.

Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all kept the dietary laws.
Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all kept the Sabbath.
Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all kept the Sabbath Days ( Passover, Pentecost, Tabernacles, etc)
Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all kept the laws of God and never abolished them the way modern Christianity does or say they arent needed.


Most of what we do now as Christians is out of tradition or misunderstanding of scriptures. While done with a good heart, many need to realize what is just passed down tradition done with good intentions and what is biblical.

So lets stop saying the Gentiles arent commanded to or dont have to do XYZ, because the gentiles are grafted int Israel when they are saved and have the same commands.

Red above, Abolished, means ABOLISHED! All of these verse cover all the aspects of law too! Besides, the law was ONE, Amen!







Hebrews 7:18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,


Hebrews 10:9
then he added, ‘See, I have come to do your will.’ He abolishes the first in order to establish the second.

2 Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

Ephesians 2:15
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,

Colossians 2:14
having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross

 

[Frogster]

It's fine to say that those who are led by the Spirit are not under the law, but if you don't understand the phrase "not under the law", then it doesn't get you anywhere. In the verses afterwards afterward in Galatians 5:19-23 and 6:1, Paul is encouraging people to act in accordance with the law, so "not under the law" doesn't mean "not in accordance with the law". The role of the Spirit is to lead us in obedience to the law, so those who are walking with the Spirit obey the law.

Oh?? Oalatians???

If the role of the Spirit were to have us follow the law, then why does Paul say they did not get the Spirit by law? Do you hear a major contradiction??!!

Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?

Why does Paul in Galatians say, led by the Spirit not under law?


5:8 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.



Your posts never promote grace, they are always promoting law, all while you said you are not promoting the Old Cov.

 

[Frogster]

Romans 7:6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

Paul specified that we died that that which held us captive. Instructions for how to have a righteous and holy conduct never held us captive, but rather our sin nature's mastery over us prevented us from having a righteous and holy conduct, so Christ died to set us free so that we could become obedient children of God.

Wrong, he was talking about the law in Rom 7, in Gal 2, he died to the law, and In gal 3, he used the same captive or prisoner word about the law, see my siggy.

 

[Look Up]

With all the back and forth about the Sabbath, Feast Days, and a few more topics that usually divide many on here, alot of people always resort to THE GENTILES AREN'T COMMANDED OR HAVE TO DO X,Y,Z.


There is no covenant anywhere in the entire bible made with the gentiles, The New Covenant was for Israel and the gentiles are grafted in. There is no such thing as rules for Jews that believe in Jesus and rules for gentiles that believe in Jesus. Its the same commands we keep, outside the one ones that cant be kept because they dont apply to you (i.e your not a king, priest, woman, etc)

Granting that the following is something of a footnote to the conversation rather than main text, yet the OP as above seems to call for mention of Isaiah 24:5, for example. Following a long list of judgments against various nations (chs. 13-23), Isaiah in apparent summary ends with the inhabitants of the earth (i.e., including those of the various gentile nations of the preceding chapters) "hav[ing] transgressed the laws, violated the statutes, broken the everlasting covenant" even if the Mosaic covenant was made uniquely with the nation of Israel (Amos 2 etc.). What covenant and which laws Isaiah intends is not clear from the context, and may or may not be Noahic, but the claim remains of violation of the laws of "the covenant," hence in context the languishing of the earth under divine judgment.

Also worth noting, though in effect it may be somewhat repetitive of earlier remarks, is that if "by the works of the law [of Moses] no human being will be justified in His sight" (Rom. 3:20), Paul seems to be arguing in a fortiori fashion: if not the Jews, how much less gentiles--placing gentiles under judgment for violation of ... at least something consistent with Mosaic demands even if no provision was made for atoning for the sins of gentiles under the Mosaic law (save among proselytes). And the grounds for judgments against gentiles in Rom. 1 consist of idolatry and committing of vices, some of which seem transparently to be consistent with (violations of) one or other of the ten commandments (vv. 18-32).

 

[SAAN]

Red above, Abolished, means ABOLISHED! All of these verse cover all the aspects of law too! Besides, the law was ONE, Amen!







Hebrews 7:18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,


Hebrews 10:9
then he added, ‘See, I have come to do your will.’ He abolishes the first in order to establish the second.

2 Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

Ephesians 2:15
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,

Colossians 2:14
having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross

Jeremiah 31:31-34 (NKJV)
A New Covenant
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah

Yes the old covenant of animal sacrifices was replaced with the blood of Christ in the New Covenant, so now Christ blood covers our sins instead of animals. But you can fight it all you want, but the New Covenant was made with Israel, not the Gentiles. We are simply grafted into Israel when we get saved.



Paul says Salvation is for everyone.
Romans 1:16(NKJV)
The Just Live by Faith
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

So its clear there is one law we are to follow and there is no such thing as Jew command and Gentile commands, yet on this forum, people are quick to say .... well , the gentiles arent commanded to do so and so, when the bible clearly states we all have the same law in the new covenant.


Acts 15:20-21(NKJV)
20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 15 made it pretty clear that outside of the basic couple of things the gentiles were to refrain from as new followers of Christ, since these were big issues that they had as previously pagans, they will learn the rest as the continue to grow when they go to the synagogues every Saturday. Its no different than your job, in which on the first day you are given the basic rules and as time goes on, you will learn the rest of the rules.

 

[listed]

That's a very inventive interpretation. But we all know the Law is more than "instructions", it demands what it demands and takes no captives. God does not grade on a scale, it's strictly pass/fail. And we all fail. Enter Jesus Christ. Thank you Jesus.

That is the thing they really have no concept or understanding about. They seem to think all they have to do is give it a good college try. God said no.

 

[listed]

red ab0ve, here is a dietary post, for you to study, and enjoy, thanks!




It doesn’t matter about what we eat before God.

1 Cor 8:8 Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.

The kingdom of God, is NOT about foods.

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.



This..The LORD showed Paul, other than for the weak conscience Jewish person, who does not know better. Verse 14:20 says it is clean also.

Rom 14:14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean


Peter was eating Gentile unclean food.

Gal 2:12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.

Corinth sold the unclean idol meat, strangled meat, that had blood in it. Paul said eat it.

1 Cor 10:25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience.



QUOTING A PSALM HERE, to confirm his point about eating, after he said eat all in the pagan markets of Corinth...in chapter 10.

1 Cor 10:26 For "the earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof."


What kind of food would a Corinthian pagan serve? Paul said it eat, other than for their weak conscience, a different issue, but he said eat it, knowing it was idol food.


1 Cor 10:27 If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience.


Doctrine of demons, = food abstinence.

1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.


Peter ate unclean gentile food after the sheet event.

Acts 11:3Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

Philippi had so few Jews, that there was not even a synagogue there, yet Paul stayed with Gentile Lydia, did he not eat setting food , while being a guest there? The Roman guard in Acts 16, proves the same point, he fed Paul meat, it was not Kosher meat.

Acts 16:15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.

Paul ate the unclean meat of a Roman guard.


Acts 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.



How could Paul and Barnabas, preach and live with their Gentile converts, and the alienate them, by declaring them unclean, because of Mosaic food laws? That would be the very thing, Paul rebuked Peter for doing in Antioch, recorded in Galatians 2.

And of course....of course...Mark 7:19, Jesus declared all foods clean! That is an Aramaic Bible I used there too.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Mark 7:19“Because it does not enter his heart, but his belly, and is discharged by excretion, which purifies all foods.”


1 Cor 8..eating non Kosher, unclean meat, and meat that had blood, and strangled idol temple food was allowed, so long as stumbling was not going on.

The last word in Gen 9, had no restrictions. But Christians go be the expanding NT revelation anyway, that which I posted, even if we did not have Gen 9, the NT revelation clearly ended food restrictions.

Gen 9:2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Excellent work!

 

[listed]

Jeremiah 31:31-34 (NKJV)
A New Covenant
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah

Yes the old covenant of animal sacrifices was replaced with the blood of Christ in the New Covenant, so now Christ blood covers our sins instead of animals. But you can fight it all you want, but the New Covenant was made with Israel, not the Gentiles. We are simply grafted into Israel when we get saved.



Paul says Salvation is for everyone.
Romans 1:16(NKJV)
The Just Live by Faith
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

So its clear there is one law we are to follow and there is no such thing as Jew command and Gentile commands, yet on this forum, people are quick to say .... well , the gentiles arent commanded to do so and so, when the bible clearly states we all have the same law in the new covenant.


Acts 15:20-21(NKJV)
20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 15 made it pretty clear that outside of the basic couple of things the gentiles were to refrain from as new followers of Christ, since these were big issues that they had as previously pagans, they will learn the rest as the continue to grow when they go to the synagogues every Saturday. Its no different than your job, in which on the first day you are given the basic rules and as time goes on, you will learn the rest of the rules.

Are you claiming salvation can only be had by the Jews and all Gentiles must convert to Judaism to acquire it? Such a claim goes against the Scripture. The law is not required for salvation.

 

[SAAN]

Are you claiming salvation can only be had by the Jews and all Gentiles must convert to Judaism to acquire it? Such a claim goes against the Scripture. The law is not required for salvation.

No, I dont think there should be Judaism, Hebrew Roots, or Christianity, but just followers or believers of Christ. Much of the issues we see in the bible was the Jews trying so much to protect the commands of God, they added hundred of extra commands that wants biblical that made it bondage. Jesus seemed to spend much of his time correcting them about what the laws actually meant.

I never said the law is a requirement for salvation, as believing Jesus is the son of God that died on the cross for your sins and accepting him as your savior and repenting of your sins is the only path to salvation. Keeping Gods commands is what you do because you are saved, and he said if you love him you will keep his commandments.

 

[Steeno7]

That is the thing they really have no concept or understanding about. They seem to think all they have to do is give it a good college try. God said no.

Yep. Trying your best is a program for failure.

 

[SAAN]

Yep. Trying your best is a program for failure.

So lets get this straight, your solution is to disobey God completely then?

On judgement day , Jesus asks why did you do anything my father commanded of you and your response will be, well since I couldnt be perfect at it, I figured I wont even bother to obey you at all and do as I please. Lets see the end outcome of that, as he say depart from him and that he never knew you.

Was Paul or the disciples or anyone else in the bible perfect, yet they all followed Gods commands and faith in him.

 

[Steeno7]

So lets get this straight, your solution is to disobey God completely then?

On judgement day , Jesus asks why did you do anything my father commanded of you and your response will be, well since I couldnt be perfect at it, I figured I wont even bother to obey you at all and do as I please. Lets see the end outcome of that, as he say depart from him and that he never knew you.

Was Paul or the disciples or anyone else in the bible perfect, yet they all followed Gods commands and faith in him.

Paul and the disciples all lived by faith in Jesus Christ, as do I. It is only we who are living by faith in Christ who are being obedient to Christ, indeed it is only we who can be obedient to Christ. That you would think otherwise speaks volumes.

 

[SAAN]

Paul and the disciples all lived by faith in Jesus Christ, as do I. It is only we who are living by faith in Christ who are being obedient to Christ, indeed it is only we who can be obedient to Christ. That you would think otherwise speaks volumes.

How can you have faith in Jesus Christ when you despise his commands?
Jesus said if you Love him you will keep his commands, yet you and many others on here are constantly saying if anyone attempts to keep his commands, that they are putting themselves under the law or the usual cop out of the gentiles aren't obligated to keep the commands of God. Faith means nothing if its tied to willful disobedience.

 

[Steeno7]

How can you have faith in Jesus Christ when you despise his commands?
Jesus said if you Love him you will keep his commands, yet you and many others on here are constantly saying if anyone attempts to keep his commands, that they are putting themselves under the law or the usual cop out of the gentiles aren't obligated to keep the commands of God. Faith means nothing if its tied to willful disobedience.

Your conclusions and characterizations of we who live by faith in Christ, is of course, imaginary.

 

[Rachel96]

There is no covenant anywhere in the entire bible made with the gentiles

I understand you're talking about the New Covenant, but this statement is wrong. What about the Nohaic Covenenant ("I'll never more flood the whole earth...")? That was made with the whole of humanity, although it comprised only eight people at that point. But that includes gentiles.

As for the rest of it, I agree mostly with what you're saying. As 7th-Day Baptists, this topic is often discussed in my family. I'm going to take all the quotes on this thread and look into the matter further...

 

[Meowzltov]

Noah was a Gentile. God made a covenant with Noah which stands to this day for all his descendants (the world). Enough said.

 

[bugkiller]

No, I dont think there should be Judaism, Hebrew Roots, or Christianity, but just followers or believers of Christ. Much of the issues we see in the bible was the Jews trying so much to protect the commands of God, they added hundred of extra commands that wants biblical that made it bondage. Jesus seemed to spend much of his time correcting them about what the laws actually meant.

I never said the law is a requirement for salvation, as believing Jesus is the son of God that died on the cross for your sins and accepting him as your savior and repenting of your sins is the only path to salvation. Keeping Gods commands is what you do because you are saved, and he said if you love him you will keep his commandments.

What then are you attempting to say with your quote about the covenant being made with the Jews? Aren't you promoting the law in a double minded fashion? You made no provision for anyone else. That leaves me to believe unless one conforms to the requirements of that covenant they can't have salvation.

Just so you know I rolled with your typo without a problem.

bugkiller