Unforgivable sin

[Kywy]

please someone help me. I dont know what to do i really think i committed the unforgivable sin. For a while i have been getting thoughts like "if i do this, then (blasphemous thought)" For example, if i want to eat something "if i eat something, then (blasphemous thought)" this happens all day everyday even when im trying to sleep. Thats not the reason i think i blasphemed though. I think i committed the unforgivable sin because to counter the thought i would purposely think "if i DONT do it, then blasphous thought)" i pray and pray for forgiveness to God. My situation just gets worse.

 

[HereIStand]

I had a similar experience in the 1990s. Try to let the thoughts go. Do not pray and ask forgiveness each time that you have a blasphemous thought. That will aggravate the thoughts, or it did for me. God has forgiven you, and doesn't want you to live in fear. God Bless.

 

[Kerensa]

You HAVEN'T committed the unforgivable sin, friend. The very fact that you fear you may have done so is proof enough that you haven't. Have a read of this blog post from Bible Gateway that has some very reassuring explanations: What is the "Unforgivable Sin"? - Bible Gateway Blog

Those blasphemous thoughts you feel bombarded with, and don't actually want to be thinking, are not your true thoughts anyway. They're just the devil's lies. Say NO to them (no matter how often they come) and turn straight to God. He isn't sitting there waiting to condemn and punish you. He loves you endlessly and He has already saved and forgiven you. Praise Him!

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

please someone help me. I dont know what to do i really think i committed the unforgivable sin. For a while i have been getting thoughts like "if i do this, then (blasphemous thought)" For example, if i want to eat something "if i eat something, then (blasphemous thought)" this happens all day everyday even when im trying to sleep. Thats not the reason i think i blasphemed though. I think i committed the unforgivable sin because to counter the thought i would purposely think "if i DONT do it, then blasphous thought)" i pray and pray for forgiveness to God. My situation just gets worse.

This type of sin does not exist , actually thinking of it is blasphemy , because you say that God was not good enought when he died for you to pay for that sin.

So no , you did not commit unforgivable sin God still love you.

Are you sure that you are saved ?
Salvation is free gift and it had nothing to do with what sins you commit/commited or what deeds you do (good/bad), salvation is free gift of God you can see it in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

If you believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins by shedding his blood on cross , was burried and rose from the grave the third day then you are sealed with Holy Spirit Ephesians 1:13-14 and you can never lose it no matter how bad sins you do .


You do good works for treasure in heaven , and for bad works God can punish your flesh or you can lose inheritance in heaven , for example if you commit adultery you might get aids .

Salvation has nothing to do with good works Ephesians 2:8-9 , it's free gift . If you had to do something for it then it could not be gift , if you could lose eternal life then it could not be eternal in first place , if God took away that gift which he gave you , since it belong to you from the time he gave it to you , it was yours , then he by taking it away from you would be thief and we know that God can't steal , so you can't lose it John 10:27-30.

It should calm you down that you alredy have eternal life the moment you believe , maybe nobody ever explain it to you but it's true .

Love you

 

[Non sequitur]

please someone help me. I dont know what to do i really think i committed the unforgivable sin. For a while i have been getting thoughts like "if i do this, then (blasphemous thought)" For example, if i want to eat something "if i eat something, then (blasphemous thought)" this happens all day everyday even when im trying to sleep. Thats not the reason i think i blasphemed though. I think i committed the unforgivable sin because to counter the thought i would purposely think "if i DONT do it, then blasphous thought)" i pray and pray for forgiveness to God. My situation just gets worse.

My familiarity with the unforgivable sin is one must consciously, persistently, deliberately, and maliciously reject the testimony of the Spirit to the deity and saving power of the Lord Jesus.

It's not some sin(s) committed before or after accepting Christ, nor is it thinking, having horrible thoughts or saying something terrible in regards to the Holy Spirit; merely the constant rejection.

Based on what you have described, I think you should take comfort in the fact that I do not believe you fall into committing that sin. I think it's just "regular" sin. God speaks of such issues as this.

“Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord. Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow.” - Isaiah 1:18

Also, take solice in the fact that Jesus made you a promise, so fear not.

"Whoever comes to me I will never drive away” - John 6:37

I wish you well and maybe those better suited will post.

 

[Haipule]

please someone help me. I dont know what to do i really think i committed the unforgivable sin. For a while i have been getting thoughts like "if i do this, then (blasphemous thought)" For example, if i want to eat something "if i eat something, then (blasphemous thought)" this happens all day everyday even when im trying to sleep. Thats not the reason i think i blasphemed though. I think i committed the unforgivable sin because to counter the thought i would purposely think "if i DONT do it, then blasphous thought)" i pray and pray for forgiveness to God. My situation just gets worse.

Truly I(Jesus) say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal [sin](the word “sin” is not in the original)”— because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.” Mark 3:28-30 NASB​

I’ve heard a lot of nonsensical commentary on this verse but a hyper-literal translation should clear things up:

Hyper-Literal(same verse): amEn(truly), I(Jesus)-am-saying seeing-that all-things they-shall(in the future)-be-being-let-go thee-all miss-effects to-thee-all sons of-thee humans and-also slanders as-much-as they-might-slander*: yet thee-he ever he-might-slander* into thee pneuma-breath, namely--the pure-one(the definite article preceding both the noun and the adjective refers to people), not he-is-having release-from-a-part-of-the-whole-of-bondage(all that bondage is) into thee breath-being(unspecified current length of time) rather bound he-is of-breath-being-belong-to-her judgment(feminine)--that(purpose for what was just said) they-had-been-saying “pneuma-breath unclean He-is-having”. Mark 3:28-30

You see? “pneuma-breath(what Jesus had spoken to them) unclean He-is-having” was the blasphemy-slander that they slandered against Jesus’ pure breath. Jesus said there will be no release from bondage(right here, right now) for anyone who slanders God’s pure breath(which includes us) in any breath(unspecified length) of time(they incur a debt that will be paid in their lifetime) . That includes me; that includes Jews; that includes YOU—whether you are a Muslim, Buddhist, atheist, whacko, or a Christian!

 

[Kerensa]

I’ve heard a lot of nonsensical commentary on this verse but a hyper-literal translation should clear things up:

Hyper-Literal(same verse): amEn(truly), I(Jesus)-am-saying seeing-that all-things they-shall(in the future)-be-being-let-go thee-all miss-effects to-thee-all sons of-thee humans and-also slanders as-much-as they-might-slander*: yet thee-he ever he-might-slander* into thee pneuma-breath, namely--the pure-one(the definite article preceding both the noun and the adjective refers to people), not he-is-having release-from-a-part-of-the-whole-of-bondage(all that bondage is) into thee breath-being(unspecified current length of time) rather bound he-is of-breath-being-belong-to-her judgment(feminine)--that(purpose for what was just said) they-had-been-saying “pneuma-breath unclean He-is-having”. Mark 3:28-30

You see? “pneuma-breath(what Jesus had spoken to them) unclean He-is-having” was the blasphemy-slander that they slandered against Jesus’ pure breath. Jesus said there will be no release from bondage(right here, right now) for anyone who slanders God’s pure breath(which includes us) in any breath(unspecified length) of time(they incur a debt that will be paid in their lifetime) . That includes me; that includes Jews; that includes YOU—whether you are a Muslim, Buddhist, atheist, whacko, or a Christian!

Huh???

 

[Kywy]

What does that mean

 

[Non sequitur]

What does that mean

Theres a lot of responses. Which one are you referring to?

 

[Kywy]

Sorry, the one by Haipule

 

[Haipule]

Huh???

I would be so glad to answer but, just pick a bit out and I'll do my best

 

[Haipule]

Sorry, the one by Haipule

Would be must glad to answer any specific question.

 

[St_Worm2]

Hi Kywy, I experienced a thought-life similar to the one you're describing when I first became a Christian 30 years ago. I had lived way out in the world before that and, along with the help of the enemy (who apparently did not want to let me go), I could not seem to get away from one horrible thought after another hitting my mind, sometimes all day long. So I know how frustrating and exhausting it can be , especially with the enemy always trying to convince you that "real Christians" don't have such thoughts

I'm happily all but free of such attacks now (and have been for decades), well, at least on a regular basis anyway, PTL. And I also know how to deal with them now whenever they do come along.

I followed the advice of a pastor (Chuck Swindoll Insight for Living Ministries) who told me that I needed to get the old, stale, ugly garbage out of my head once and for all, and replace it with something far better, the word of God. I suppose there may be different ways to do that, but I used the method he recommended and memorized Scripture verses and passages.

The wonderful thing is, Pastor Swindoll was right, not only about getting rid of the garbage, it also seemed to fill in all the spaces up there and left no room left for any of the bad stuff to return (or space for any new garbage to take it's place ) The weird thing is, there always seems to be plenty of room for new stuff that's good, both the word of God, and other things that are good and honorable too .. Philippians 4:8. I'm not sure how or why it works that way, but that is what I've experienced.

BTW, I'm not talking about memorizing the entire Bible, or even entire books or chapters, rather, just a number of verses and passages will do. There are well-established Scripture memory systems available, like the Navigator's Topical Memory System, to help get you started (and it's free ). If the idea of this sounds good, PM me if you'd like to, and I'll help you get started. To be honest, it will require time and effort on your part (especially when you get started), but if you are as sick and tired of your horrible thought-life as I was, I'm pretty sure that you'll end up enjoying it once you get the hang of it (especially when you begin to experience the results). You'll also come to realize that the spiritual benefits will FAR outweigh the time and effort you put in

Praying for you!

In Christ,
David
p.s. - when you fill your mind with the word of God in this way, it also makes it far more difficult to sin, because every time you are tempted to, the HS brings several of your memory verses to the front of your mind as reminders of why you shouldn't

"How can a young man keep his way pure? By keeping it according
to Thy word. Thy word I have treasured in my heart
that I may not sin against Thee"
Psalm 119:9-11​

 

[Kywy]

Haipule,
Can u explain what you were trying to say, i didnt understand any of it. Sorry.

 

[Non sequitur]

Sorry, the one by Haipule

No idea.

It appears that once one slanders God's pure breath (blasphemes?) one can't take it back?

I dunno, there's lots of undefined words/terms (no release from bondage), so I couldn't safely extrapolate anything from it.

Maybe he'll come back and clarify, in words that are more layman's terms?

 

[St_Worm2]

This may be helpful:

UNPARDONABLE SIN

ONLY IMPENITENCE CANNOT BE FORGIVEN​

I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.
MARK 3:28-29​

When Jesus warned the Pharisees that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was unpardonable both in this world and in the next (Matthew 12:32; Mark 3:29-30), it was because they were saying that He exorcised demons by being in league with Satan (Beelzebub). His warning revealed His view of their spiritual state.

He could, and later did, pray for the forgiveness of those whose blasphemy against himself was the fruit of ignorance: “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing” (Luke 23:34). But that was not how he saw the Pharisees.

It is possible for people to be enlightened to the point of knowing inwardly that Jesus is the divine Savior he claims to be, and still not be willing to admit it publicly, because of all the behavioral changes that such an admission would make necessary. It is possible to try to make oneself feel good about one’s own moral dishonesty by inventing reasons, no matter how absurd, for not treating Jesus as worthy of one’s allegiance. Jesus evidently perceived that in calling him Satan’s servant the Pharisees were doing exactly that. They were not ignorant; they were stifling conviction and smothering real if unwelcome knowledge; they were resolutely shutting their eyes to the light and callousing their conscience by calling it darkness. The madness that Jesus exposed in what they were saying (Matthew 12:25-28) was an index of the pressure of conviction that they were feeling; irrational reasoning is a regular sign of conviction being resisted.

By attributing exorcisms wrought through the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:28) to Satanic power, the Pharisees were blaspheming (speaking impiously) against the Spirit. Such a sin would become unforgivable when the conscience had been so calloused by calling good evil that all sense of the moral glory of Jesus’ mighty works (which were in a real sense his credentials: Matthew 11:2-6; John 10:38; John 14:11) was destroyed. This hardening of heart against Jesus would preclude any remorse at any stage for having thus blasphemed. But nonexistence of remorse makes repentance impossible, and nonexistence of repentance makes forgiveness impossible.

Callousing one’s conscience by dishonest reasonings so as to justify denial of God’s power in Christ and rejection of his claims upon one is, then, the formula of the unpardonable sin. Another version of it, this time in professed Christians who fall away from Christ, is described in Hebrews 6:4-8. Christians who fear that they may have committed the unpardonable sin show by their very anxiety that they have not done so. Persons who have committed it are unremorseful and unconcerned; indeed, they are ordinarily unaware of what they have done and to what fate they have sentenced themselves. Jesus saw that the Pharisees were getting close to committing this sin, and he spoke as he did in hope of holding them back from fully lapsing into it. ~Packer, J. I. (1993). Concise theology: a guide to historic Christian beliefs. Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House.

 

[Mari17]

Kywy, I think you know what to do, even though you feel like you don't. Instead of getting lost in all the different thoughts and arguments presented here and elsewhere, treat this like OCD. Don't stop treating it like OCD. As long as you keep asking for reassurance, you will never get better. I KNOW how hard it is to resist that, because your fear is overwhelming. But you have to say no to it. You have to refuse to give in. You have to believe that it's OCD, even though it doesn't feel like it. Take courage and stand against your OCD. In the end it is only a sham that will quickly disintegrate once you are able to recognize it for what it really is. But that won't happen until you are able to say no to its demands. Refuse to do the compulsions (asking forgiveness, asking for reassurance.) Don't let it bully you anymore. It is not in charge - you are. And the more you say no to it, the stronger you will grow against it!

 

[Haipule]

Haipule,
Can u explain what you were trying to say, i didnt understand any of it. Sorry.

I wasn't 'trying' to say anything. I was playing show and tell with Jesus' words from the Greek to English while honoring Greek thinking skills revealed through words which aren't the same as English thinking skills.

What Jesus was saying is that they slandered His breath or, what He had said to them by saying He has an "unclean breath". They basically said that what He had said was 'impure' according to their theology.

blasphEmia is unfortunately transliterated into nothingness and nonsense and constantly being reinvented, and not 'translated' for us but simply means: "to-slander".

Unfortunately, "sin" was added to the text by a translator but does not belong. Jesus never said "unforgivable/unpardonable 'sin'". And NOWHERE in the God-breathed Scriptures is there ANY such idea!

That was why I posted on your thread "Unforgivable Sin". I just wanted you to know that there is no such thing. However, if we go around and start slandering each other: we will incur a debt to God and His payback is rough(right here, right now).

 

[Kywy]

Ok thank you for clarifying. I was just a little confused.