Undiagnosed Pneumonia" Hits China: Here we go again?

[civilwarbuff]

“Undiagnosed Pneumonia" Hits China, WHO Orders Report in 24 Hours Amid Echoes Of Covid-19​

Just a few short years ago we (the world) trusted China to do the right thing at the start of their undiagnosed respiratory illness. Look at what we got. Is the world so stupid that they/we have not learned from that? China is unlikely to lock itself down; maybe the world should do that for them?

 

[Estrid]

What is the agenda behind
demonizing China?

 

[Jay Freeman]

The fact remains... no virus was isolated

 

[chevyontheriver]

What is the agenda behind
demonizing China?

The government of China would have told us already if there was any problem.

 

[USincognito]

China probably lost 2.5 million to Covid and more likely 5-10 times that. Their economy is still in the dumpster. If anyone is suggesting they "inflicted" Covid on the world on purpose, I have a hard time taking them seriously.

 

[Estrid]

The government of China would have told us already if there was any problem.

That is a statement but it's not responsive to
my question. So why did you say it?

 

[Estrid]

China probably lost 2.5 million to Covid and more likely 5-10 times that. Their economy is still in the dumpster. If anyone is suggesting they "inflicted" Covid on the world on purpose, I have a hard time taking them seriously..

like how i take gratuitous trashing of china,
and the facts not in evidence used.

 

[civilwarbuff]

What is the agenda behind
demonizing China?

Why are you rushing to the defense of China when no one has accused them of anything yet?

 

[Pommer]

“Undiagnosed Pneumonia" Hits China, WHO Orders Report in 24 Hours Amid Echoes Of Covid-19​

Just a few short years ago we (the world) trusted China to do the right thing at the start of their undiagnosed respiratory illness. Look at what we got. Is the world so stupid that they/we have not learned from that? China is unlikely to lock itself down; maybe the world should do that for them?

I prefer my “news” without the dramatic musical interludes.

 

[civilwarbuff]

The BBC put together a timeline of Covid. Some similarities exist between what China did then and currently.

Coronavirus: What did China do about early outbreak?

China and the US are in a tense war of words but what actually happened during the early outbreak?

www.bbc.com

 

[civilwarbuff]

I prefer my “news” without the dramatic musical interludes.

They use music in most of their videos since they don't usually use narrators. Guess they figure that's better than complete silence. You can always mute the music/voiceover you know; there is actually a button for that.

 

[USincognito]

They use music in most of their videos since they don't usually use narrators. Guess they figure that's better than complete silence. You can always mute the music/voiceover you know; there is actually a button for that.

Or he could stick to sources that don't add dramatic music period and just present the facts.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

like how i take gratuitous trashing of china,
and the facts not in evidence used.

Criticizing aspects of China isn't "gratuitous trashing of them"...no more than criticizing aspects of Russia is "gratuitous Russia trashing".

Certain regimes and cultures have distinct problems that are somewhat unique to them, or more prevalent in them. This stance of "let's all just pretend that every culture has their problems, and no one is worse than the other" isn't accurate or helpful.

With certain customs and practices, certain cultures are better than others based on tangible metrics...plain and simple, and it's not wrong to say it, and it doesn't make one a bigot to acknowledge it.

With regards to viruses in particular, China has a problem due to their lab standards on one front, and their wet market food culture on another front. People in China and other parts of the world have been sounding the alarm on that since 2003 after numerous regional viral outbreaks sources to wet markets, and half dozen "lab escapes" (a few of which involved MERS/SARS outbreaks)

I understand that people citing right-wing conspiracy'ish sounding tropes about "agendas" and "the globalists" can give one a visceral reaction to defend whoever the other side is. I get it... when I have to get together with "that side" of the family, and they start trotting out things (that are about 2% fact; 98% hyperbole, exaggeration, and lies) they clearly read on a conspiracy website, I have an inclination to take the contrarian position just to oppose them.

But it's important not to dismiss the aspects that fall into the 2% fact bucket just because it often comes bundled with a bunch of other nonsense.

In this case, the fact is, China has a uniquely bad track record when it comes to wet market outbreaks and lab escapes that should have us all concerned.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

The government of China would have told us already if there was any problem.

China made it very clear, that people were dying of COVID-19. The United States were very warned. If I could see a big problem on the news, then the president should have been more prepared, then I was.

 

[chevyontheriver]

That is a statement but it's not responsive to
my question. So why did you say it?

Because I don’t know anything about an agenda to demonize China.

Do you agree that as soon as the government in China knows there is a problem they will tell us?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Or he could stick to sources that don't add dramatic music period and just present the facts.

They did present the facts; if music bothers a person they can turn it off. It ain't rocket science.

 

[Estrid]

Criticizing aspects of China isn't "gratuitous trashing of them"...no more than criticizing aspects of Russia is "gratuitous Russia trashing".

Certain regimes and cultures have distinct problems that are somewhat unique to them, or more prevalent in them. This stance of "let's all just pretend that every culture has their problems, and no one is worse than the other" isn't accurate or helpful.

With certain customs and practices, certain cultures are better than others based on tangible metrics...plain and simple, and it's not wrong to say it, and it doesn't make one a bigot to acknowledge it.

With regards to viruses in particular, China has a problem due to their lab standards on one front, and their wet market food culture on another front. People in China and other parts of the world have been sounding the alarm on that since 2003 after numerous regional viral outbreaks sources to wet markets, and half dozen "lab escapes" (a few of which involved MERS/SARS outbreaks)

I understand that people citing right-wing conspiracy'ish sounding tropes about "agendas" and "the globalists" can give one a visceral reaction to defend whoever the other side is. I get it... when I have to get together with "that side" of the family, and they start trotting out things (that are about 2% fact; 98% hyperbole, exaggeration, and lies) they clearly read on a conspiracy website, I have an inclination to take the contrarian position just to oppose them.

But it's important not to dismiss the aspects that fall into the 2% fact bucket just because it often comes bundled with a bunch of other nonsense.

In this case, the fact is, China has a uniquely bad track record when it comes to wet market outbreaks and lab escapes that should have us all concerned.

So if you consider it legit criticism it's not
gratuitous?

I've seen the escalating drum beat of anti
Chinese behaviour in the USA . And
think about the agenda, as per earlier.

And whether you ACTUALLY know anything
about China.

Because I don’t know anything about an agenda to demonize China.

Do you agree that as soon as the government in China knows there is a problem they will tell us?

So tho you didn't know what you're talking about
you said something anyway?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

So if you consider it legit criticism it's not
gratuitous?

I've seen the escalating drum beat of anti
Chinese behaviour in the USA . And
think about the agenda, as per earlier.

And whether you ACTUALLY know anything
about China.

I'm saying that we can't discount the fact that some of the criticisms may have some nuggets of truth in them.

As far as what I know (based on reputable international health organizations)...

SARS & MERS had 4 separate escapes from Chinese virology labs, and 3 separate wet-market sourced outbreaks (2 that were regionally contained, and the bigger 1 that we all heard about in 2003)

And that's not counting the half dozen flu strains that have either had Chinese lab escapes or were sourced to wet markets in China from 2002-2012.

Before it became "taboo" to talk about it during covid, the NIH and WHO were sounding the alarm pretty regularly between 2012-2016 about some of the concerning practices in both realms.


One doesn't have to be an expert-level scholastic in Chinese culture to know that unhygienically-served exotic animal meat + lax lab practices = "not a good thing" in the grand scheme of things.

Much like I wouldn't need to be a Doctor of Pulmonology to know that if a town had 80% of people that were pack-a-day smokers, that would lead to high lung cancer rates in that town.

 

[chevyontheriver]

So if you consider it legit criticism it's not
gratuitous?

I've seen the escalating drum beat of anti
Chinese behaviour in the USA . And
think about the agenda, as per earlier.

And whether you ACTUALLY know anything
about China.

So tho you didn't know what you're talking about
you said something anyway?

You ARE hostile.

 

[Pommer]

They did present the facts; if music bothers a person they can turn it off. It ain't rocket science.

Okay…say there’s music, why did they choose “tension-building” music, instead of soft rock or easy listening?
Am I going to allow my mind to be bent to think how ominous this “news” is…uh oh! Health problems in China again! What are they up to now!?

Pitiful attempt at propaganda.