Understanding the Sabbath

[deu58]

According to the Bible, all days are from sunset till sunset. "The evening and the morning were the ________ day." Not the morning and the evening.

Yes that is correct. And not just the bible but also history shows us that the Jews still
practise this method. I used Friday and Saturday as as the gentiles know it so it would be easier to understand.
deu58

 

[William1]

Hi deu

Your attempt at trying to discredit the Sabbath leaves a lot to be desired. The account in Amos has nothing to do with the sign you speak of in Mark. You obviously have a vivid imagination.

Amos writes to us showing the demeanor of the uncircumcised heart. The people at that time were keeping the Sabbath, however their hearts were with commerce. They hated the Sabbath because it interrupted their business. Looking back on their situation, they might as well have not kept the Sabbath, just like the millions today who do not keep it. Far better for someone not to be united with God while he is sinning, than for someone to call himself one of God’s, while sinning. For once you deem yourself as a child of God, and proclaim it loudly, the measuring stick which is placed alongside of you is far more demanding that the one who remains a sinner at large.

A circumcised heart has always been the desire of God for His people, after all, why would He want a grouchie complaining people as His children? Joy should be at the center of the hearts of His people as they keep the Sabbath. They should gather with smiles on their faces and raise their voice in praise of their King. They should bring of the choicest as they offer their sacrifices and give generously.

As for the silliness which would declare that the Sabbath Day is no more;
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YaHVeH, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YaHVeH.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

If the Command which pertains to the Sabbath is gone, then so is the Command of murder, adultery stealing and so on.

But as the verses above show, the Sabbath is alive and well and will continue even after the transgressors of not only the Sabbath but all Commands, will be in their holding place.

His son
William

 

[Symes]

If the Command which pertains to the Sabbath is gone, then so is the Command of murder, adultery stealing and so on.

But as the verses above show, the Sabbath is alive and well and will continue even after the transgressors of not only the Sabbath but all Commands, will be in their holding place.

Amen!

 

[deu58]

william

Actually my letter on the Sabbath is very brief. There are many things I did not mention simply because of a lack of time and room. You make the mistakeof thinking I am against the Sabbath. I am not. As you have noticed my letter then you will see it is mostly centered on the Adventist Sabbath position. Perhaps you also think I do not like Adventists either. Again you would be mistaken. After all I am Married to one. I have also spoken in several Adventist gatherings Here in the Philippines. Many of my friends are Adventists. I also have my own website dealing mostly with Adventism but also church history.

You, like many Adventist, try to use Is66:23 with out really looking at the structure of the verse. How long is a day in eternity? If you look at how the verse is worded you will see it use's the word from sabbath to sabbath,from new moon to new moon. or in other words with out ceasing. This is the eternal rest{Sabbath} that God has promised every believer.

If you look in Rev 21: 22-25 You will see that there is no day or night in the new Jerusalem. There is no sun nor moon so how will you measure the time to know when the Sabbath begins and ends.

I noticed in one of your posts that you got upset with someone for asking if you cooked or did other things on your Sabbath and you accused them of binding old things upon you. The truth is if you are going to observe the Sabbath properly then you must follow what scripture teaches about the Sabbath, In our house all cooking is done on Friday afternoon. All cleaning bathing etc must be done before sundown. From sundown on Friday till sundown Saturday all time and energy is devoted to the Worship of God and bible studies.

You also talk about measuring sticks. I am thankful that it is God who does the measuring and not you. In one of your posts you mention your perfection
as compared to others. In doing that you prove that you are not perfect at all but very narrow and Judgmental. It would do you well to meditate on Luke 18:10-14

But as to the Sabbath it is obvious to me and to any other true Sabbath worshipper that you really do not even know what you are talking about.
you do not even know when the proper time is to begin and end the Sabbath

As to my vivid imagination ,how many other literal bible prophecies that do not agree with your personal view do you simply dismiss as products of someones imagination?

It may interest you to know that the the Sabbath has never been binding on a Gentile. New or Old Testament. The Old Testament Gentile was responsible to the covenant that was made Noah. Not Moses

The covenant is known as The Seven Laws of the Children of Noah.
1, prohibition of idolatry
2,Prohibition of blasphemy and cursing the name of God
3,Prohibition of murder
4,Prohibition of robbery and theft
5,prohibition of immorality and forbidden sexual relations
6,prohibition of removing and eating the limb of a live animal
7, Required to establish a Justice system to enforce the other six laws.

Some one posted that their are 613 commandments in the law. I think it was you who replied that you are not required to obey the oral law. If not sorry.
But the point is there are 613 commandments in the Mosaic law. And they were given by God. The Oral law was seperate from these 613 commandments . The oral law is the Mishna, which is not in the bible.
It is a seperate book. Remember that Moses spent 40 days on the mount recieving the law from God. In Exodus 20:18-21 we see that after Moses recievd the first 10 commandments he returned to the camp. after speaking to the congregation they told him that they would rather he be the one to recieve the rest of Gods law and they would rather move farther away from the holy presence because they were afraid. Then Mose went and recieved
the rest of the law. So if you think the other 603 commandments are the oral law of the pharisees again you are mistaken.

I have seen in some of your other posts you are a person who is quick to anger, Kind of strange coming from some one who has conqured sin, but I am not trying to make you angry. If you want to keep the Sabbath then this is good and I hope you recieve much spiritual joy from it. My wife does. She loves her Sabbath time with God and I would never make her stop even though their are some brothers and sisters who have claimed I should do so.
Our relationship with God is personal and so it should remain. I have never counseled a Sabbath keeper to abandon the Sabbath for Sunday. Only to keep the worship pure and acceptable to God. Which is Scriptural.

yours in Christ
deu 58



that was made with Noah.

 

[messageport]

Since the resurrection of Christ, the day for sabbath observance has been changed from 7th to the 1st day of the week.

From the Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 21, Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day, Section 7:

"As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him: which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day, and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath".

From the Holy Bible (God's Revelation To Man):

"Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come". (1 Corinthians 16:1).

"And upon the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight". (Acts 20:7).

"I was in the Spirit on the LORD's Day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet". (Revelation 1:10).

Note: The divines (or pastors) of the Westminster Assembly developed the Westminster standards over the course of several years of face-to-face meetings. They worked at the direction of the national governments for England and Scotland.

IMHO, the delegates of the Westminster Assembly did GREAT work.

 

[William1]

Darkness verses light for the signal to the start of a day.

As for the start of the day, we need only to look at the pattern set for us in Genesis. We are given an account of what happened on Day One, then Day Two then Day Three, or the First Day, and then the Second Day and then the Third Day, etc.

There are three, perhaps four areas in the Bible, one could go to in order to manufacture a day beginning at sunset. Having examined them carefully, I think it might be wise to examine one at a time. By far the most dominant passage that everyone point’s to is this account of creation in Genesis.
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
I will not bother posting the other verses in Genesis referring to this wording, for I am sure you have several Bibles and are totally familiar with these passages.
In the above passage, the darkness teachers always try and point out to their fact that evening is mentioned prior to the morning which would then supposedly substantiate their theory. Although evening is mentioned before morning, however, is morning the same word as DAY? NO!! Or, is evening the same word as Night?? NO!
Even if the writings in this account could mention the Night prior to Day, (which is not the case), it would not prove that a day starts at sunset at the end of daylight. However, in actual fact, the day is mentioned before the night.

If you look at the Hebrew word, Strong’’s #3117, Yowm, this is the word which not only refers to the daylight hours, but also a 24 hour cycle.

Whereas Strong’’s #1242, boqer, means, morning, the coming of sunrise, end of night, the coming of daylight.

The word Layil, Strong’’s #3915 is the actual name of the darkness, which we might call “night”. Whereas the word ereb #6153 means twilight either at the end of daylight or the beginning of daylight. These four words are found in this verse that are a matter of concern to us.

All this to say, that if you read the entire verse, we read that the daylight was created prior to the night. Then after all this came twilight, and then came sunrise, DAY ONE!

Read the first half of the verse, Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. Now tell me which came first.

Genesis 1:5 And God declared the light, Day, and the darkness he called Night. And then it became evening and then it became morning, Day One.

We are given an account of what happened on each Day! The account in Genesis can never be twisted to read that the night came first. IT JUST ISN’T THERE!

But in each case, when the night ended, as in the coming of sunrise, our Father declared this as yet another cycle or, that day, whether it be day One, Two, Three, Four, Five, or Six. And we can read all about what He accomplished in each cycle.
Now when the Seventh Cycle came about, He rested.
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

This then is the pattern which we are to follow. This is the model which our Father created, that we should honor Him in the manner prescribed. First He worked, then at night He rested from that day’s work, so also he worked for a sequence of six days, then He rested from that weeks’s work. We do not rest from the day’s activity that is to come, but rather we rest from the work already performed.

I suppose one could say after a good night’s rest, that one is well rested for the new day’s work, however we are rested from the preceding day’s labor. At the end of the new day, one will once again have to rest his weary bones from the toil which he endured.

William

 

[deu58]

So then you believe Jesus kept the Sabbath incorrectly? For he was a Jew who kept the Sabbath as a Jew.

Cosidering you have a good concordance look up the word even and trace it through the Pentetauch starting at Exodus. This can be a bit tedious but also rewarding. We can see many details in the law where the evening played a significant part. For example the passover begins in the evening. In Lev.23:32
we see the day of Atonement was considered a Sabbath. It was to be kept from evening to evening. It was by this type of study that the early Adventists discovered they were keeping the Sabbath incorrectly.

As to bibles yes I have all the major versions because I have several bible software programs I use for my website. But I really only use the KJV. Mainly because that is the only version most Adventists will accept. Also I guess I am a bit old fashioned and I like the KJV. I have been told many times that the newer translations are better and they probably are but I still like my old King James.
yours in Christ
deu58

 

[William1]

If you read the LXX, there too we see that the daylight portion of the 24 hour cycle was created prior to the Night time portion of the 24 hour cycle.

The Greek reads in like manner for we see the word, “fws” (light) was named “hmeran” day and the “skotoV” darkness He named “nukta” (night) and then it became “espera” (twilight) and then it became “prwi” morning, “hmera mia” (Day One).

Now, never ever can the “espera” mean the night and never ever can the “prwi” mean day. Likewise, never ever can “fws” mean dawn nor can “nukta” mean sunset.

In Hebrew Yown can mean the 24 hour cycle and also the day portion of that cycle, just as it can in English, and I believe this has come to be because the night is not the dominant portion of the cycle. Be that as it may, in Hebrew “erev” can never mean layil and boqer can never mean Yown. Just like in English dawn can never mean day and night can never mean sunset.

It would have been nice to have left all the confusing doctrine behind. I won’t want anyone to be too overwhelmed though, I look at it in this way. We take on one issue at a time. It is after all, a sanctification process.

Obviously Jesus never kept the Sabbath incorrectly, quite the contrary, He demonstrated for us a liberalization which allows us to move freely without the instructions of those who consider themselves as THE authorities on these matters. The Messiah would have followed what was the right method of keeping the Sabbath and obviously if one does not have hydro, sunset would be the close of one’s business.

Therefore it stands to reason that when the sun went down, in fact prior to, all God’s people would ready themselves for the following day. After all, that is why Friday can also be consider Preparation Day. We have many Sabbaths and many preparation days through-out the year.

As for the Day of Atonement, it too can be considered as a Sabbath. However it differs in many ways in comparison. For instance, rather than a feast day, it is a day of fasting. In stead of a day of celebration, it is a day of mourning. So, not only are we not permitted to work on that day, but as you can see, this Rest day has many differences last of which, it starts on the day preceding the 10th day of Abib.

I see the reasoning behind this for in prescribing this day in the way it is, it would cause the adherent to not eat after sunset on the 9th, go hungry all day of the 10th, go to bed hungry on the evening of the 10th, and thus, have an entire cycle of eating taken away from the child of God. After all, is a one day fast really that much to ask from God?

If one were to start the day of Atonement at sunset the first night, and shortly thereafter go to sleep. The next Morning one might have the habit of skipping breakfast and well if you are skipping breakfast normally how are you denying yourself so far. So lunch comes around and you might be hungry but not starving, so therefore so far you have only denyed yourself of one meal. And then comes sunset at which time you would be free to eat again? How is it that you have denied yourself? You have missed one meal. Did the Israelites not go through more pain then this? Should you be let off so easy? No.

The day of Atonement is meant for you to deny yourself for one day. It is more sensible to start the first night at around 6:00 or shortly thereafter (around dinner time). Once done dinner then do not eat until the morning after the tenth day of the month. Then you would have missed three meals and denied yourself one full day. If you eat at 6:00p.m. on the ninth, and then again at 6:01p.m. on the tenth, you have not even gone without eating for 24 hours, because no body eats every hour of the day.

To translate a day as the darkness teachers prescribe, one could feasiblely eat at say 6:00 O’clock on the 9th, and then again at 6:01 p.m on the 10th. Now for those who eat only a single meal a day, they won’t even have suffered in the least. Those who eat twice a day, too would hardly have noticed an interruption in the day’s cycle.

Lastly, the Commandment clearly teaches us that we are to start the sabbath of Atonement on the ninth. The sunset clearly belongs to the ninth day and not as the kick-off to the 10th otherwise it would have been written in this manner;
Leviticus 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the tenth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath. (KJV)

William

 

[adam332]

Messageport,
Those passages have already been discussed and have BIBLICALLY PROVEN to hold no significance for a change in the Sabbath. Please go back and read what has already been written so we don't have to write it again.

The Westminister confession of faith starts with a faulty premise which leads them to an incorrect conclusion. They did not do a great job with this subject.

It says;
"He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath"...that is where there error comes from He SPECIFICALLY appointed the seventh day to be THE Sabbath. they have rearranged the word of God to make it seem as if we can chose any day we feel like.

Lastly, the Lord's day is the seventh day Sabbath.

Exo. 20:10 "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God..."

Lev.23:3 "... the seventh day...it is the sabbath of the LORD ..."

Deu.5:14 "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God..."

Mat.12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Luke 6:5 "... the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

There are still, 15 additional instances which all show clearly that the Christ calls the seventh day “my Sabbath(s)”, again laying ownership of only one special day, (Exo. 31:13, Lev. 19:3, 30, 26:2, Isa. 56:4, Eze. 20:12,13,16,20,21,24, 22:8,26, 23:38, 44:24).

His seventh day Sabbath is the only day of the week which He blessed and sanctified, (Gen. 2:3). So if any day of the week should be called "the Lord's day" it is quite clear that only one blessed day has ever referred to as His, that would be the Sabbath day.

 

[deu58]

If you read the LXX, there too we see that the daylight portion of the 24 hour cycle was created prior to the Night time portion of the 24 hour cycle.

The Greek reads in like manner for we see the word, “fws” (light) was named “hmeran” day and the “skotoV” darkness He named “nukta” (night) and then it became “espera” (twilight) and then it became “prwi” morning, “hmera mia” (Day One).

Now, never ever can the “espera” mean the night and never ever can the “prwi” mean day. Likewise, never ever can “fws” mean dawn nor can “nukta” mean sunset.

In Hebrew Yown can mean the 24 hour cycle and also the day portion of that cycle, just as it can in English, and I believe this has come to be because the night is not the dominant portion of the cycle. Be that as it may, in Hebrew “erev” can never mean layil and boqer can never mean Yown. Just like in English dawn can never mean day and night can never mean sunset.

It would have been nice to have left all the confusing doctrine behind. I won’t want anyone to be too overwhelmed though, I look at it in this way. We take on one issue at a time. It is after all, a sanctification process.

Obviously Jesus never kept the Sabbath incorrectly, quite the contrary, He demonstrated for us a liberalization which allows us to move freely without the instructions of those who consider themselves as THE authorities on these matters. The Messiah would have followed what was the right method of keeping the Sabbath and obviously if one does not have hydro, sunset would be the close of one’s business.

Therefore it stands to reason that when the sun went down, in fact prior to, all God’s people would ready themselves for the following day. After all, that is why Friday can also be consider Preparation Day. We have many Sabbaths and many preparation days through-out the year.

As for the Day of Atonement, it too can be considered as a Sabbath. However it differs in many ways in comparison. For instance, rather than a feast day, it is a day of fasting. In stead of a day of celebration, it is a day of mourning. So, not only are we not permitted to work on that day, but as you can see, this Rest day has many differences last of which, it starts on the day preceding the 10th day of Abib.

I see the reasoning behind this for in prescribing this day in the way it is, it would cause the adherent to not eat after sunset on the 9th, go hungry all day of the 10th, go to bed hungry on the evening of the 10th, and thus, have an entire cycle of eating taken away from the child of God. After all, is a one day fast really that much to ask from God?

If one were to start the day of Atonement at sunset the first night, and shortly thereafter go to sleep. The next Morning one might have the habit of skipping breakfast and well if you are skipping breakfast normally how are you denying yourself so far. So lunch comes around and you might be hungry but not starving, so therefore so far you have only denyed yourself of one meal. And then comes sunset at which time you would be free to eat again? How is it that you have denied yourself? You have missed one meal. Did the Israelites not go through more pain then this? Should you be let off so easy? No.

The day of Atonement is meant for you to deny yourself for one day. It is more sensible to start the first night at around 6:00 or shortly thereafter (around dinner time). Once done dinner then do not eat until the morning after the tenth day of the month. Then you would have missed three meals and denied yourself one full day. If you eat at 6:00p.m. on the ninth, and then again at 6:01p.m. on the tenth, you have not even gone without eating for 24 hours, because no body eats every hour of the day.

To translate a day as the darkness teachers prescribe, one could feasiblely eat at say 6:00 O’clock on the 9th, and then again at 6:01 p.m on the 10th. Now for those who eat only a single meal a day, they won’t even have suffered in the least. Those who eat twice a day, too would hardly have noticed an interruption in the day’s cycle.

Lastly, the Commandment clearly teaches us that we are to start the sabbath of Atonement on the ninth. The sunset clearly belongs to the ninth day and not as the kick-off to the 10th otherwise it would have been written in this manner;
Leviticus 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the tenth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath. (KJV)

William

this is not a trick or setup question. I am really curious, you mention that there are many sabbaths which is true. do you try to keep them all?

 

[adam332]

deu58,
the other Sabbaths recorded in Lev. are ceremonial. They are fulfilled in Christ, as were the other ceremonial laws. The seventh day Sabbath is not ceremonaial and was in existence before sin, whereas the ceremonial Sabbaths came after sin and were to be kept until our redeemer from sin fulfilled them. If you notice the seventh day Sabbath is used in that chapter as a gauge to show when these ceremonial days are located.

 

[Symes]

The Sabbath is a memorial of creation. It was kept by Jesus when He was on this earth and will be kept by Him in the new earth as well. There is no logical reason as to why Jesus would change the Sabbath day from the resurrection until He comes again the second time and then change back to the seventh day as the Sabbath.

 

[William1]

this is not a trick or setup question. I am really curious, you mention that there are many sabbaths which is true. do you try to keep them all?

Yes

 

[deu58]

Ignatius, the Bishop of Antioch, was a disciple of John the apostle who I believe wrote the book of Revelation.

Ignatius wrote in his epistle to the Magnesians Chapter 9:

" If therefore those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possesion of a new hope, no longer observing The Sabbath, But living in the observance of the Lords day on which also our life has sprung up again by him and his death"....written in 107 ad

Now if John belived the Lords Day was Saturday, Why would his own student who rose to be a respected bishop and eventually a maryr teach that the Lords Day is Sunday and discourage Christians from keeping the Jewish Sabbath?

Justin Martyr Apology 1 chapter 47

"And on the day called Sunday, all who live in the cities or in the country gather together to one place........

But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, Because it is the first day On which God Having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; And Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day arose from the dead.......written in 140 ad

The Epistle of Barnabas The False and the true Sabbath chapter 15

"Wherefore also we keep the eighth with joyfulness,The day also on which Jesus arose again from the dead .... written 100ad

Now why would these men, One a student of the very same apostle who was in the spirit on the Lords day, another alive when the apostles were still alive and spreading the gospel and one within one generation of the ministry of Christ teach such things?

You can read these letters for yourself at the Ante-Nicene Fathers website

Also the idea of a three part law is a Christian concept. Not Jewish. When Jesus , Paul or any other New Testament writer spoke of the Law they meant all 613 commandments. Considering they also ministered to Jews and were Jews themselves they would have clairified if they were only talking about a section or only certain commandments.

yours in Christ
deu58

 

[deu58]

deu58,
the other Sabbaths recorded in Lev. are ceremonial. They are fulfilled in Christ, as were the other ceremonial laws. The seventh day Sabbath is not ceremonaial and was in existence before sin, whereas the ceremonial Sabbaths came after sin and were to be kept until our redeemer from sin fulfilled them. If you notice the seventh day Sabbath is used in that chapter as a gauge to show when these ceremonial days are located.

read williams reply. apparently he does not agree with you

 

[William1]

"Wherefore also we keep the eighth with joyfulness,The day also on which Jesus arose again from the dead .... written 100ad :

Greetings deu

You have touched on two issues and just maybe we should open a new thread to try and deal with them but in a nutshell, I too am of the mind set that we should celebrate the eighth day, and in fact, we do. However, the eighth day should never be construed to mean the first day, for this would be in error. There are in fact two eighth days in ever year cycle. One is the last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread when you take into consideration that the Passover is the first day with seven more days of feasting during Unleavened Bread, and the other eighth day is during the Feast of Tents. We are convinced that the Messiah rose on the eighth day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and was born on the eighth day of the Feast of Tents.

As for any disciple teaching that Sunday would be the weekly day of rest, this can not be. I would like to see the original writings and do the translating myself. Many times the seemingly contradictions are not in the originals, but in the translations.

From what I have read, the change to Sunday worship came in 325 A.D with an edit from Roman Emperor Constantine.

When Jesus , Paul or any other New Testament writer spoke of the Law they meant all 613 commandments. Considering they also ministered to Jews and were Jews themselves they would have clairified if they were only talking about a section or only certain commandments.

As for the word “law”, this too needs a new thread. This word can mean, instructor, instructions, God’s instructor, God’s instructions etc, so when you read the NT, and you encounter the word “law”, I myself would never translate that to mean the Commandments of God automatically. This word can even mean the practice of heathens.

Later
William

 

[William1]

Greetings

From what I have been given to date, here are the Sabbaths of a one year cycle. I will list them from the least frequent and also what I would consider the most significant, to the most frequent and least significant, not at all meaning that a Sabbath is insignificant.

The highest day of the year is the Day of Atonement. It comes but once a year.
Then come the three annual feasts. The Passover/Unleavened bread for 8 days. With the first and seventh day of Unleavened Bread being holy. The Feast of First Fruits is only a one day celebration. The Feast of Tabernacles/Tents for eight days, of which the first and last are holy. Then I would list the seventh New Moon as being the next greatest day followed by the 11 to 12 other monthly New Moon Feasts. And finally the Weekly Sabbath. So in total we have some 70-71 holy days annually of which all but one are a celebration.

I have also noticed that when the prophets wrote about these feasts, they are either mentioned from most frequent to least or visa versa.

 

[adam332]

I do not base my doctrines on william nor do I base it on an un-inspired bishop living in the Roman empire during a time when the Christian faith was in deep compromise. If you follow your history after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad there was huge animosity between those in Rome and the Jews for many decades thereafter. Even to the point that Emperor Hadrian had outlawed Sabbath keeping upon penalty of death not long after John wrote Revelation.

This anti-semtic attitude accompanied by the huge Pagan influeces led to this early transfer by men. During this same early period the day of Mithra,(Sunday), was also called the Lord's day by the Pagan's who borrowed the wording from Sabbath keeping Christians. Thus, they had their lord and the day they chose to worship him on and the Christians had their Lord and the Sabbath day. As compromise began towards Sunday as an additional day of worship so the title was switched to sunday and the Sabbath was instructed to be kept by Ignatius as a day of rest. He instructs that Sunday be the day of worship all the while showing no instruction of such from the holy scriptures or instruction from John. If you had taken the time to read all that Ignatius wrote in that passage you would realize that the Sabbath was still very much alive and kept amongst the Christians including himself.

"Let us therefore no longer keep the Sabbath after the Jewish manner, and rejoice in days of idleness; for “he that does not work, let him not eat.” For say the [holy] oracles, “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat thy bread.” But let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner, rejoicing in meditation on the law, not in relaxation of the body, admiring the workmanship of God, and not eating things prepared the day before, nor using lukewarm drinks, and walking within a prescribed space, nor finding delight in dancing and plaudits which have no sense in them. And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord’s Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week]."

He is still clearly in agreement with the keeping of the Sabbath, but not in a legalistic fashion that he may have been seeing the Jews do it. Or maybe he is simply referring to the legalistic charges of Sabbath keeping that had been placed on Christ by the Jews man-made doctrines as recorded in the scriptures.

Either way, the Sabbath was not done away with at that time amongst him or other Christians. But, what we do see by him is the beginning of compromise…he now has added Sunday as an additional day to keep and he has now begun calling it by the title “the Lord‘s day”. This is in glaring scriptural contrast which repeatedly informs us that the Sabbath day is the Lord’s. Old Ignatius was a sellout, making doctrine up as he went along to go with the Pagan influences that surrounded him. His words should be a warning to you as to how gradual a Godly man with a Godly instructor can be influenced. Not as one who is a basis for doctrine.

 

[William1]

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As for anyone not agreeing with me, give them time. Not at all meaning that everyone reading my posts will agree with me given enough time, but rather just maybe someone has to be given time to reflect on what I have written and then after careful consideration, they will either discard or embrace the words I write.

There was a time when I would never have written the things I do now for they would have been foreign to me. But as time went by, and I was exposed to the truth, I carefully tried to fit the pieces in order to build a good foundation, having done that, I now try to be patient with those who are at the place which I have abandoned, knowing fully that to abandon any doctrine, once having not only embraced it but also spoken to other about it with zeal, it is almost an impossibility to then take back what you so strongly spoke in favor of and embrace a new truth.

 

[William1]

"Let us therefore no longer keep the Sabbath after the Jewish manner, and not eating things prepared the day before, nor using lukewarm drinks, and walking within a prescribed space,

Nicely brought to the fore front Adam. There are still many false teachings by the Jews with regards to the Sabbath and the above quote is worth mentioning.

Even today the Jews and most Sacred Name movements prepare their food the day prior to the Sabbath, start their vehicles Friday night in case they need to drive somewhere on saturday, and leave a stove element on just in case. There are more sillinesses but these are just to name a few.

The Sabbath should be an all out Feast day with us sacrificing to our King. The BBQ's should be roasting and the demanor should be with GLADNESS.