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Why? Why would us creating a DESIGN that could work as well as what you perceive to be DESIGNED support evolution?
He's still on the "complexity implies design" schtick despite the fact that he hasn't supported it with any evidence in any of the multiple threads where he brought it up.

As we all know, through common sense, assertion equals fact.
 
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No. The development of the heart is incredibly amazing.

I only asked because you challenged - "Give an example of a man made pump which could do what the human pump does, from conception to the end of life."
 
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Complexity and information.

This is a sorry excuse for an explanation. I should've known better.

I have a feeling you can't explain how in your own words because you only parrot what you've heard other people say, and you don't even do that well.
 
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Well that was rather terse. Could you fill in the details as to how Complexity and information are involved?

"Sequence preferences of DNA binding proteins are a primary mechanism by which cells interpret the genome. Despite the central importance of these proteins in physiology, development, and evolution, comprehensive DNA binding specificities have been determined experimentally for only a few proteins. Here, we used microarrays containing all 10–base pair sequences to examine the binding specificities of 104 distinct mouse DNA binding proteins representing 22 structural classes. Our results reveal a complex landscape of binding, with virtually every protein analyzed possessing unique preferences. Roughly half of the proteins each recognized multiple distinctly different sequence motifs, challenging our molecular understanding of how proteins interact with their DNA binding sites. This complexity in DNA recognition may be important in gene regulation and in the evolution of transcriptional regulatory networks."​

Diversity and Complexity in DNA Recognition by Transcription Factors
 
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This is a sorry excuse for an explanation. I should've known better.

I have a feeling you can't explain how in your own words because you only parrot what you've heard other people say, and you don't even do that well.

"Sequence preferences of DNA binding proteins are a primary mechanism by which cells interpret the genome. Despite the central importance of these proteins in physiology, development, and evolution, comprehensive DNA binding specificities have been determined experimentally for only a few proteins. Here, we used microarrays containing all 10–base pair sequences to examine the binding specificities of 104 distinct mouse DNA binding proteins representing 22 structural classes. Our results reveal a complex landscape of binding, with virtually every protein analyzed possessing unique preferences. Roughly half of the proteins each recognized multiple distinctly different sequence motifs, challenging our molecular understanding of how proteins interact with their DNA binding sites. This complexity in DNA recognition may be important in gene regulation and in the evolution of transcriptional regulatory networks."​

Diversity and Complexity in DNA Recognition by Transcription Factors
 
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You cannot give an example of a pump which has the complexity, and functionality, of the human pump without using "design". It's simple enough.

Sure, I can mention all the other hearts in the animal kingdom that are better or equal to human hearts. But of course, you might as well be saying I can't write a grammatically correct paragraph without using vowels if you are going to give a combination of leading questions and play semantics games.
 
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Sure, I can mention all the other hearts in the animal kingdom that are better or equal to human hearts. But of course, you might as well be saying I can't write a grammatically correct paragraph without using vowels if you are going to give a combination of leading questions and play semantics games.

It's not semantics games. Maybe I wasn't specific enough in my request. Give an example of a man made pump which is comparable to the human pump and isn't designed. Your use of "design" should suggest something.
 
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"Sequence preferences of DNA binding proteins are a primary mechanism by which cells interpret the genome. Despite the central importance of these proteins in physiology, development, and evolution, comprehensive DNA binding specificities have been determined experimentally for only a few proteins. Here, we used microarrays containing all 10–base pair sequences to examine the binding specificities of 104 distinct mouse DNA binding proteins representing 22 structural classes. Our results reveal a complex landscape of binding, with virtually every protein analyzed possessing unique preferences. Roughly half of the proteins each recognized multiple distinctly different sequence motifs, challenging our molecular understanding of how proteins interact with their DNA binding sites. This complexity in DNA recognition may be important in gene regulation and in the evolution of transcriptional regulatory networks."​

Diversity and Complexity in DNA Recognition by Transcription Factors

Did not read because this is copy/paste. I requested your own words.
 
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Give an example of a man made pump which is comparable to the human pump and isn't designed.

This question is nonsensical because of the bolded. How can something be both man-made and not designed?
 
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