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Timtofly

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In other words when the 1000 years here is over and His Kingdom comes, those still living will be judged but not die first upon transition into the new Kingdom?

The Second Coming starts the next 1000 years. Christ will reign on earth in His kingdom. As pointed out, John does not write about the church after Revelation 7. We do not "see" the church until the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven. We cannot know, because no one wrote about the church during the last millenium of earth. The OT prophecies are about a restored earthly kingdom for Jacob and David. The spiritual church body for the last 1990 years does not fulfill any of those prophecies. The church was spiritual. There has never been a restored physical Israel yet. 1948 was a start, but very far from being the prophecied reality. Herod's temple upgrade or the 400 silent years do not count.

The future is not for the dead past. It is for those currently alive right now. Some dead will be raised on the first day of the Millennium. All the rest of the dead will not be raised until the GWT. Some claim the dead in Christ are literally dead. Nope, they are alive in Christ in Paradise. They have a new body in Christ, but that is a debate on what the body, soul, and spirit are.
 
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Exactly! Why should any one trust man and man's doctrine or theology outside of Scripture? The only being to trust is God. Only God is true, and all men, only liars.
 
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(Rev. 3:10). "Since you have kept my command to endure patiently. I will also KEEP YOU FROM THE HOUR OF TRIAL that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on earth."

To me, that seems to mean, God will rescue the born again believers in the rapture, prior to the Great Tribulation, and while that's going on down on earth, we'll be attending the Wedding of the Lamb in heaven (Rev.19:7-8). Also we will receive our room in heaven that's now being prepared for us (John 14:2-3).
 
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How much damage can one being do in 3.5 years, even if he has been preparing for 2500 years?

A ton.....Especially if there is no resistance from the church or the Holy Spirit...
 
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The Rapture.... is not the "second coming". These are two separate events.
 
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That is why God says only 2 literal males will be the only witness.

Based only on Revelation 11:4, and Romans 11:24, and Revelation 1:20, the two witnesses would be a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles grafted together into the same Olive Tree.
They are the "candlesticks" found in the Book of Revelation in Revelation 1:20.

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The Rapture.... is not the "second coming". These are two separate events.


Based on the words "we" and "sleep" in 1 Thessalonians 5:10, they happen on the same day.

The event is described at the end of chapter 4, but the timing of the event is found at the beginning of chapter 5. The word "But" connects the two chapters.


The proof about the timing is found below.

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In your opinion... right?

In my opinion... The rapture occurs at the beginning of the tribulation and the second coming is 7 years later.
 
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As pointed out, John does not write about the church after Revelation 7. We do not "see" the church until the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven.

The Capital "C" Church as we use the word today is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. There are several books in the New Testament which do not contain the word "church".

We find members of the New Covenant Church in the verse below.
A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb, and not be a part of Christ's Church.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

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In your opinion... right?

In my opinion... The rapture occurs at the beginning of the tribulation and the second coming is 7 years later.


If you watch the video, you will see it is based on scripture instead of any man's opinion.


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It's fascinating what sorts of ideas people come up with when they just make things up.

-CryptoLutheran
This is why they call it crunch time, some people abandon the word of God and simply crumple up like an aluminum can.
 
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Satan is a serpent, an old Dragon, and from that you have constructed a vivid interpretation that all the world leaders, all the fake media, they will push a story that the people being raptured were abducted by aliens. And that is what Gen 3 and Daniel and Paul say?

As wild as that sounds, the second part of this story is just as wild, they say this to calm people down. "Don't worry, that kooky Christian brother of yours wasn't raptured, he was abducted by aliens".

And the third part of this story is even more unbelievable. At a time where the entire world realizes the media is fake, they are censoring the truth, and the governments are lying to them they will accept this story.
 
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A ton.....Especially if there is no resistance from the church or the Holy Spirit...
More correctly, a ton if they have seized political power over several countries military forces or exert a high degree of influence over others not directly controlled.
 
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I would have clicked "I agree" with this post but I am not allowed to. Apparently I did a terrible thing. I thought some of these posts were so absurd that the person was joking and so I clicked funny. But they weren't joking, they were serious! Can you imagine how hurtful that is for someone to laugh at your intricately constructed Biblical interpretation.
 
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Whoa, whoa whoa! Are you saying you don't believe everything you read on the internet? Suppose it is coming from the Government, or major media? What if it is from the President himself? What if they tell you about a mass alien abduction? (PS I would have clicked Like on your post but I am not allowed to)
 
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Since the church is the gathering of the redeemed. (BTW I would have clicked useful for this post but I am not allowed to)
 
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It is a wild idea but this and many more wild ideas would be floating around if a pre-trib rapture happens and then nothing else happens for some years. All sorts of cults and will spring up saying they can explain what happenned and what it means etc.
This could be the time Jesus was talking about when he said 'many would come in my name and deceive many' (yes, it can also apply to other times but perhaps in a post pre-trib rapture time be especially prevalent)

Not sure what the official line would be, certainly different countries would have different 'official lines' but the period of time from a pre trib rapture to the start of the 7 year tribulation would be a time of increasing mystical / paranormal activity etc so that by the time the AC / FP show on the public scene their signs and wonders will be accepted as consistent with the world and nature etc. (otherwise they might be taken away to secret govt facilities to be probed and examined for years! )

Anyway, in the years between pre-trib rapture and 7 year trib, the world would change a lot, become far more accepting of a totally different view of reality, and be a period during which the AC / FP would rise to power (ruthlessly by the way but also while appearing to be nice guys) and finally be on the scene.
Things like the temple being built or the gog/magog war could occur in this period.
 
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I don't understand any of this debate. The rapture is not a sign of the Lord's coming for the believers. In Matthew 24 Jesus compares the rapture to Noah entering the ark and the door closing. If you want to be in the ark when the flood comes there are a whole lot of signs you should be paying attention to, this is not one of them.
 
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