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Un-Christian behavior around Christians

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I guess I can understand a Christian not wanting to be around people that do un-Christian stuff a lot but doesn't the Bible command Christian to reach out to those types of people? Most of the ministry I've seen has been geared toward other Christians, it just seems odd to me that Christians would do that given what Jesus did.
 

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I guess I can understand a Christian not wanting to be around people that do un-Christian stuff a lot but doesn't the Bible command Christian to reach out to those types of people? Most of the ministry I've seen has been geared toward other Christians, it just seems odd to me that Christians would do that given what Jesus did.
There is a verse that Jesus says along the lines of "Go to every town but don't carry food or water, the Lord will provide", the idea is that the testimony of Jesus will carry itself and when we are willing the spirit will speak through us. Yes there is a lot of division in the church due to people who have non-biblical beliefs, IOW a perversion of the truth. Discovering truth is a personal process and no two minds will be in complete agreement unless it is agreement on the word of God. Unfortunately there is too much disagreement on the word of God that might be the kind of "ministry" you have seen "aimed at other Christians". I see you are humanist, are you particularly in need of ministry by Christians? We are only too glad to help you get closer to God, as you no doubt know the sharing of God's love is just as rewarding to give as receive :)
 
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I guess I can understand a Christian not wanting to be around people that do un-Christian stuff a lot but doesn't the Bible command Christian to reach out to those types of people? Most of the ministry I've seen has been geared toward other Christians, it just seems odd to me that Christians would do that given what Jesus did.

help me out here, are you asking why we don't beat our bibles down your throat more and harder?

As for the reaching out, think of it like you are on a bridge, you are about to plummet to your doom (falling into sin and a life of self destruction) we are asked to reach out to you (extend our hand help you live a life of virtue) and if you do not reach back, we are to let you fall.

We today call that tolerance.
 
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we are asked to reach out to you (extend our hand help you live a life of virtue) and if you do not reach back, we are to let you fall.

We today call that tolerance.

I don't really see G-d's Love as being that short-fused. I'm certainly thankful He was more long-suffering with me! :bow::bow:
 
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I guess I can understand a Christian not wanting to be around people that do un-Christian stuff a lot but doesn't the Bible command Christian to reach out to those types of people?

Not really, no. It tells us to preach the Gospel to them, but the idea is that they're the ones who are supposed to respond to the Gospel, not that we're the ones who are supposed to follow them around like a bunch of puppy dogs.

Paul said that he "became all things to all men" that he might save some. The problem is that people today misinterpret this. Paul only meant that when he was around Jews, that he was careful not to do things that offended Jews, and when he was around Gentiles, he was careful not to do things that offened Gentiles.

But some people today take it to ridiculous extremes. For instance, people decide that they're "called" to one group or another and they go so far to imitate that group that they end up making sport of the Gospel.

Honestly, if I had a nickel for everytime I've heard, "But we've got to have rock music to reach the young people!" or "I can't wear a jacket and tie when I preach because it will turn the unsaved off."

This is why you have fifty-something year old women dressing like teenagers and acting like bad Beverly Hills 90210 versions of teenagers to "minister" to teenaged girls. I have doubt that they mean well, but they make fools out of themselves.

I forget the guy's name but, on Wretched Radio, they recently talked about a guy who was a preacher who wanted to reach heavy metal fans and so he grew his hair long, got a bunch of tatoos, an earing, started dressing like a slob, etc. He acted like a fool and the Gospel was devalued as a result.

Like I said, I'm sure they both meant well, but they turn evangelism from the presentation of the Gospel and a call for the unsaved to repent, to a circus act where they try to attract the unsaved to themselves, rather than letting the preaching of the Gospel and the conviction of the Holy Spirit attract them to Christ.

Recently, a church in our area told an elderly couple that they could no longer be in charge of the church's youth ministry. Why? Because they weren't doing a good job? Because they fell into some sort of ongoing sin or heresy? No. It was because they were too old and the church was afraid that it would turn kids off.

The problem is that the couple had led countless teenagers to the Lord and had mentored kids in the faith who later became pastors, teachers, missionaries, doctors, and even a state legislator.

But the church was more interested in image than obedience.

I've preached to crowds that had everybody from businessment to bikers to other preachers to the town harlot. I never changed the Gospel for any of them. I didn't change the way I dressed for them or the way I acted for them. I'm pretty much the same guy whether I'm preaching on Sunday Morning or doing street preaching in Battery Park in NYC.

I don't have to change and I don't have to change the Gospel that I preach because it's all about preaching the Gospel and letting the Holy Spirit convict, not about trying to convince them that I'm cool or relevant or one of them.
 
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This great old example seems to fit the question. If you are going to 'clean somebody up' you don't jump down into the mud where they are with a bar of soap in your hand. You extend your hand to pull them out of the mud. Then you use your 'soap' to clean them up. owg
 
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This great old example seems to fit the question. If you are going to 'clean somebody up' you don't jump down into the mud where they are with a bar of soap in your hand. You extend your hand to pull them out of the mud. Then you use your 'soap' to clean them up. owg


Off topic, but what does OWG stand for, I keep seeing it. I looked it up and found this. None of these really make sense.


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Off topic, but what does OWG stand for, I keep seeing it. I looked it up and found this. None of these really make sense.


Overtaking Working Group
One World Government
Optical Waveguide
Operations Working Group
Outdoor Writers' Guild (UK)
Operational Working Group
Old White Guy
Oil, Water, Gas (valve pressure)
One Way Glass
OPSEC Working Group
Oil Well Gas
Outwit Gear (file extension)

Old Wise Guy= OWG
That's is Cf name...
 
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