Ukraine scandal explained.

[cow451]

An offer it couldn't refuse?

It’s been in the news and everything.

 

[Sanoy]

It’s been in the news and everything.

What has been in the news and everything?

 

[cow451]

What has been in the news and everything?

Trump’s shakedown phone call trying to get Ukraine to find dirt on Biden.

 

[Sanoy]

Trump’s shakedown phone call trying to get Ukraine to find dirt on Biden.

I am aware of the phone call, but there is far more going on to pursue than Bidens meager role which wasn't even illegal. The "shakedown"/mafia references are confusing to me, I don't know what you are referring to.

 

[cow451]

I am aware of the phone call, but there is far more going on to pursue than Bidens meager role which wasn't even illegal. The "shakedown"/mafia references are confusing to me, I don't know what you are referring to.

You must not be familiar with American organized crime terminology. Trump operates like the head of an organized crime syndicate. Sorry to have confused you.

 

[Sanoy]

You must not be familiar with American organized crime terminology. Trump operates like the head of an organized crime syndicate. Sorry to have confused you.

I caught the reference I just don't see where it meets with reality.

 

[cow451]

I caught the reference I just don't see where it meets with reality.

Then you have not kept up. Don’t have time to rehash the impeachment inquiry background.

 

[Sanoy]

Then you have not kept up. Don’t have time to rehash the impeachment inquiry background.

I feel I have kept up, even with the impeachment inquiry. Perhaps it's because we don't listen to the same news.

 

[cow451]

I feel I have kept up, even with the impeachment inquiry. Perhaps it's because we don't listen to the same news.

What sources you using?

 

[Sanoy]

What sources you using?

I listen and read the MSM, but filter it with a conservative and liberal view. Mostly Tim Pool who is left of center, and Glenn who is an independent conservative. Who do you use to get a broad perspective?

 

[cow451]

I listen and read the MSM, but filter it with a conservative and liberal view. Mostly Tim Pool who is left of center, and Glenn who is an independent conservative. Who do you use to get a broad perspective.

Certainly not Beck. Let’s assume Beck is mostly correct. The GOP has made no legitimate move to investigate Biden activities in Ukraine.

Trump asked Ukraine to reopen an investigation as a “favor” in exchange for the release of already approved military aid.

Even if everything about Biden is true, Trump abused the power of the office.

 

[Sanoy]

Certainly not Beck. Let’s assume Beck is mostly correct. The GOP has made no legitimate move to investigate Biden activities in Ukraine.

Trump asked Ukraine to reopen an investigation as a “favor” in exchange for the release of already approved military aid.

Even if everything about Biden is true, Trump abused the power of the office.

You have told me who you don't listen to, but not who you do listen to help give you a broad perspective.

I agree that the allegations you are making could be the case, but they are far from being verified or capable of being asserted as fact even though the media presents it that way.

 

[DaisyDay]

I listen and read the MSM, but filter it with a conservative and liberal view. Mostly Tim Pool who is left of center, and Glenn who is an independent conservative. Who do you use to get a broad perspective?

From RationalWiki:

Tim Pool (1986–) is a Eurasian American commentator and former Vice News reporter who describes himself as a "social liberal" and "left-libertarian" who "support(ed) Bernie Sanders".[3] Despite this, his content is composed almost exclusively of rebuttal-free alt-right talking points. Pool first gained notoriety reporting from the front lines of the Occupy Wall Street protests.
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Perhaps your frame of reference is not so broad as you imagine?

 

[Sanoy]

From RationalWiki:

Tim Pool (1986–) is a Eurasian American commentator and former Vice News reporter who describes himself as a "social liberal" and "left-libertarian" who "support(ed) Bernie Sanders".[3] Despite this, his content is composed almost exclusively of rebuttal-free alt-right talking points. Pool first gained notoriety reporting from the front lines of the Occupy Wall Street protests.
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Perhaps your frame of reference is not so broad as you imagine?

Given that I stated that I frequent him a lot, why did you think it would be a good idea to quote RationalWiki to describe what his channel is like? I watch 2-3 of his segments a day, do you you really think I need to be quoted what is on his channel? That Tim Pool is alt right is itself a talking point. Do you really think a website that self defines itself as "Rational" is a good place to get unbaised information? I don't. Especially when they add unsourced rhetoric, like what you bolded, in it's facts. It defines alt right as (Xshort for naziX alternative right) is Xa patriotically correct term for neo-Nazi far-rightX movement that opposes tolerance, multiculturalism and social justice (items they file under "Cultural Marxism" and "SJW"). No wonder they don't bother to source such a claim.

 

[DaisyDay]

Given that I stated that I frequent him a lot, why did you think it would be a good idea to quote RationalWiki to describe what his channel is like? I watch 2-3 of his segments a day, do you you really think I need to be quoted what is on his channel? That Tim Pool is alt right is itself a talking point. Do you really think a website that self defines itself as "Rational" is a good place to get unbaised information? I don't.

Abe Gaustad of medium.com makes a convincing argument on why Tim Pool is a phony liberal (can't link because of a semi-naughty, prohibited word).

[Tim Pool] describes himself as “center-left” and, usually in brief asides, notes his dislike for Donald Trump. But Pool’s insistence that he supports liberal policy doesn’t match with the rest of his content. A quick scroll through his last 100 videos shows a preoccupation with criticizing the left. For example, there are around ten videos critical of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. There are zero videos critical of Donald Trump.

So, why do you consider him to be "left of center"?

 

[Sanoy]

Abe Gaustad of medium.com makes a convincing argument on why Tim Pool is a phony liberal (can't link because of a semi-naughty, prohibited word).


So, why do you consider him to be "left of center"?

Tim Pool says he is left of center. I will not entertain conspiracy theories that showed up in your recent google searches to discredit him. If you want to know what he is about I suggest going to his actual content and watching it.

 

[DaisyDay]

Tim Pool says he is left of center. I will not entertain conspiracy theories that showed up in your recent google searches to discredit him. If you want to know what he is about I suggest going to his actual content and watching it.

He says he's left, but do his arguments and videos support that contention? Actions, you know.

I will not entertain conspiracy theories...

And you're a Beck fan? Huh. At least my sources support their contention with actual evidence, but, hey, you got Pool's word for it, so what more do you need? Seriously, look and think about it.

 

[Sanoy]

He says he's left, but do his arguments and videos support that contention? Actions, you know.

And you're a Beck fan? Huh. At least my sources support their contention with actual evidence, but, hey, you got Pool's word for it, so what more do you need? Seriously, look and think about it.

His arguments support that he thinks for himself rather than being an opinion receptacle of a party line. That is why I watch both him and Beck. You found the sources you wanted to find because you googled Tim Pool to find bad things about him. I have no reason to believe the conspiracy claim of your "sources", and so I will continue to believe what he identifies as.

You are mistaken. Rational wiki did not source the rhetorical claim you bolded, it sourced many things, but not that. What you bolded was an opinion. Beck did source his claims if you watched the video, or the link I gave to Tulc where it shows the documents.

 

[DaisyDay]

His arguments support that he thinks for himself rather than being an opinion receptacle of a party line.

Your claim is that he is "left of center" because he says he's left of center, but the articles against him dispute that with evidence, so I was just wondering if you had anything to support your contention.

You found the sources you wanted to find because you googled Tim Pool to find bad things about him.

No, that's actually not true. I googled him because I didn't know who he was and these were some of the things on the first page.

I'm not pretending that RationalWiki is unbiased, but if he were leftist, why would they say he is not (with evidence including a picture).

I have no reason to believe the conspiracy claim of your "sources", and so I will continue to believe what he identifies as.

Well, you would have to actually read the articles, especially the footnotes where they link to his own work. They cite sources, not simply opinion. I don't know that they are correct, but so far, you've done a poor job of disputing them. They give actual evidence; you give "Tim Pool said he was left of center" with zero evidence to support that what he says is to believed. So, on one hand, evidence; on the other, bald assertion - I'll go with the first hand until I have some reason not to.

You are mistaken. Rational wiki did not source the rhetorical claim you bolded, it sourced many things, but not that. What you bolded was an opinion.

The article goes on to give many examples and instances. Also, it helps to read the footnotes.

Beck did source his claims if you watched the video, or the link I gave to Tulc where it shows the documents.

Perhaps later.

 

[eleos1954]

If you are wondering about the Ukraine scandal and not sure who to trust, or what is going on Glenn Beck has done a deep documentary on it. He begins his documentary asking you not to trust him but to check his facts, and declares that it not partisan (Glenn is not a Trump fan). It is worthwhile to to watch, and a loss to dismiss. Check it out below when and if you have time.

Any non dismissal comments are welcome. I just wanted to share this with the community because you won't find it on Fox or CNN. skip to 10:43

This is definitely worth watching (I posted it as well) ... also provided is all the documentation, court records, emails, phone call etc.

Billions of our tax dollars disappeared in Ukraine .... mainstream media not reporting on it.