UFO's - Biblical?

[RileyG]

I believe UFO's are demonic in origin. Or they are new age.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

A UFO is an object in the sky that people do not know what it is. I don't see how that is a theological matter in any way.

 

[Diamond72]

I believe UFO's are demonic in origin. Or they are new age.

I recently had an operation where I was awake and it felt like I had been obducted by aliens. There is a great big huge screen and they go into your veins looking for any blockages. But I had a clean bill of health, no stints no ballons. Because for the most part I do not eat meat anymore. The doctor was surprised because they fully expected to find something.

 

[RileyG]

I recently had an operation where I was awake and it felt like I had been obducted by aliens. There is a great big huge screen and they go into your veins looking for any blockages. But I had a clean bill of health, no stints no ballons. Because for the most part I do not eat meat anymore. The doctor was surprised because they fully expected to find something.

I’m happy to hear you’re healthy!

 

[Diamond72]

I’m happy to hear you’re healthy!

God must have a reason He is keeping me alive because I should have been long gone by now.

 

[RileyG]

God must have a reason He is keeping me alive because I should have been long gone by now.

May God bless you and keep you!

 

[Palmfever]

The bible doesn't teach that there are UFO's (material flying objects). It also does not teach demons can manifest themselves as material objects.

Some people say ... and even some in government and/or the military say they have seen them and/or actually have physical evidence of such.

As a Christian ...

What do you believe about the existence of UFO's and why?

If you believe UFO's (material spaceships) is true .... how do you reconcile that with scripture?

What do you believe in this regard?

Yes the bible mentions ufos.
Elijah was abducted.

 

[RileyG]

Yes the bible mentions ufos.
Elijah was abducted.

Errr….he was taken to heaven with a fire and chariot….not exactly abducted by aliens…he never died

 

[Palmfever]

Errr….he was taken to heaven with a fire and chariot….not exactly abducted by aliens…he never died

That's right neither he nor Enoch died.
A chariot of fire in a whirlwind.
2 Kings 2:11
As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

Now, I don't care one bit how he got there. It is a great story though.
They didn't have the words we
use today to discribe Unexplained Aerial Phenomena.
Techniquely however neither God nor angels are of this earth, therefore they are alien.

Yes Christ came to earth and God walked in rhe garden but this is not their original home.

I used the word abducted in jest. He was given a great blessing.

So, while not in the movie portrayal of alien encounters or purported sightings it was an event occuring between human and nonhuman involving a unearthly vehicle.

As far as aliens in the traditional sense, excluding angels, who can say. it's a big universe. God did and does whatever He wants and works out His purpose without consulting me.

Yet it remains a semi interesting subject, though not to the degree it was to a young boy entralled by Asimov and other great scifi authors.

 

[eleos1954]

Yes the bible mentions ufos.
Elijah was abducted.

There is no mention of a physical "air craft"

 

[Palmfever]

There is no mention of a physical "air craft"

Read it again...

 

[eleos1954]

Read it again...

Symbolic
He makes the clouds his chariot; he rides on the wings of the wind; he makes his messengers winds, his ministers a flaming fire” (Psalm 104:3-4).

No physical craft ... taken to heaven by angels

 

[Palmfever]

Symbolic
He makes the clouds his chariot; he rides on the wings of the wind; he makes his messengers winds, his ministers a flaming fire” (Psalm 104:3-4).

No physical craft ... taken to heaven by angels

You may use your symbolism however you choose. These are the words. a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them. That is an eyewitness account.
I haven't completely bought into the holographic universe theory.

 

[Aiden1]

The bible doesn't teach that there are UFO's (material flying objects). It also does not teach demons can manifest themselves as material objects.

Some people say ... and even some in government and/or the military say they have seen them and/or actually have physical evidence of such.

As a Christian ...

What do you believe about the existence of UFO's and why?

If you believe UFO's (material spaceships) is true .... how do you reconcile that with scripture?

What do you believe in this regard?

I think in a day and age every inch almost of world soil is covered with people ready to film at any given prompt, we'd KNOW if there were aliens. The demon thing I'm not sure. Demons are real, the Bible does present them as able to manifest physically (in people), so I think probably it's possible, and interesting food for thought.

 

[Reneep]

The bible doesn't teach that there are UFO's (material flying objects). It also does not teach demons can manifest themselves as material objects.

Some people say ... and even some in government and/or the military say they have seen them and/or actually have physical evidence of such.

As a Christian ...

What do you believe about the existence of UFO's and why?

If you believe UFO's (material spaceships) is true .... how do you reconcile that with scripture?

What do you believe in this regard?

Well I believe UFOs are biblical AND RIGHT THERE IN GENESIS. Well I should say that WALKING , TALKING TELEPATHIC SNAKES ARE VERY BIBLICAL !!!!!!! AND AM SURE THEY AINT REALLY UNIDENTIFIED! SO THAT IS ANOTHER ONE OF THEIR LIES. What we won't understand as much is the fallen Dog/ wolf like shape shifting creatures That will be revealed. I don't know what the lies will be when Egyptian Arnubas (?) Show up, or what deception will be believed about them. But telepathic walking talking snakes seem to have found a lie all their own , so I suspect the fallen wolf men will also find a believable excuse to be mankinds demi-Gods , just l8ke Egypt recorded for us.... besides the Seraphim, cherubim etc thus eagle men , cow men and such.. how many other humanoid types did Father create anyway? Well besides walking telepathic snakes! As everyone of them would be considered unidentified creatures! And us humans are so clueless we won't know an evIl one from a good one except by the ALMIGHTY NAME OF JESUS ! DONT BE AFRAID TO USE HIS NAME CHRISTIANS, HEIS YOUR DADDY TOO. BUT WITH WHAT IS COM8NG WE ARE HELPLESS IN OUR OWN IDEAS. WHO'D A TH7NK HUMANITY MAY NEED A SAVIOR FOR A REASON.. THAT WE DONT UNDERSTAND IT YET.

I believe UFO's are demonic forces at work.

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

If good angels can appear as humans, then fallen angels can as well.

UFO's and Men In Black ... ya ... I believe they are real.

Yes the Dog/ wolf variety are shape shifters.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Symbolic
He makes the clouds his chariot; he rides on the wings of the wind; he makes his messengers winds, his ministers a flaming fire” (Psalm 104:3-4).

No physical craft ... taken to heaven by angels

Are you or are you not saying that angels are supernatural, the chariot is supernatural. Having as much physicality- solidity as our natural world has it. That's why the prophet in his physical flesh body didn't stay on the ground as the chariot rose up into the sky.

If you use Ps 104:3-4 to say that angels are like clouds that have no solidity.. then what of Jacob who wrestled with an angel. That couldn't happen if angels had no solidity, no more than clouds or ghosts.

To describe angels as 'flaming fire' causes people to think primitively in comparing it with an outdoors campfire or indoor fireplace. But angels are of the heavenly realm-world of light, shining brightly.. if God opened our eyes to see them.
Angels are ministers of shining light. As John [in Revelation] saw the manora-lamp describing the angels having charge over the churches. Of that lamp, Jesus stood in the midst, the brightest light of them all.

 

[DennisF]

The bible doesn't teach that there are UFO's (material flying objects). It also does not teach demons can manifest themselves as material objects.

Some people say ... and even some in government and/or the military say they have seen them and/or actually have physical evidence of such.

As a Christian ...

What do you believe about the existence of UFO's and why?

If you believe UFO's (material spaceships) is true .... how do you reconcile that with scripture?

What do you believe in this regard?

The more accepted expression to that of "UFO" nowadays is Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAP). If all the UAPs as such in the Bible are removed from it, the result is a different book. Elijah ascended in an aerial craft fitting the description of a rocket. So did Jesus, though nothing is said about the craft; he "was taken up" by some means, some kind of vehicle. The messengers appearing to the shepherds heralding the birth of Jesus were aerial and certainly an unknown to the shepherds; the sheep-herders were scared witless by them. The list goes on and on. To believe in the Bible as having any factuality requires belief in such aerial phenomena.

I do not understand the point of emphasizing the materiality of "UFOs" or demons. If they did not exist physically, how would they even be seen or heard? It takes physical energy (light or sound) to activate our physical senses. Christianity is not a dualistic religion like Platonic Greek paganism. All that we can respond to through our senses is part of the Creation.

 

[DennisF]

Are you or are you not saying that angels are supernatural, the chariot is supernatural. Having as much physicality- solidity as our natural world has it. That's why the prophet in his physical flesh body didn't stay on the ground as the chariot rose up into the sky.

If you use Ps 104:3-4 to say that angels are like clouds that have no solidity.. then what of Jacob who wrestled with an angel. That couldn't happen if angels had no solidity, no more than clouds or ghosts.

To describe angels as 'flaming fire' causes people to think primitively in comparing it with an outdoors campfire or indoor fireplace. But angels are of the heavenly realm-world of light, shining brightly.. if God opened our eyes to see them.
Angels are ministers of shining light. As John [in Revelation] saw the manora-lamp describing the angels having charge over the churches. Of that lamp, Jesus stood in the midst, the brightest light of them all.

The expressions natural and supernatural are not found in the Bible because they have pagan origins as pagan ideas. Nature is what the Fates control and anything the gods do in natural is above and beyond it, or supernatural. This kind of dualistic language comes from Platonism and is foreign to biblical thinking (though some people readily read it into some of Paul's writings!).

Hebrew thinking is grounded in the Creation of Yahweh. Heaven is outer space (or the troposphere, or where God dwells) and is the rest of the physical universe above us. The word spirit in Hebrew (ruach) is what in 21st-century control theory we would call the dynamics of life. It is not some ghost in the machine of bodies. It is what animates bodies in a way that we would say they are alive. In the Bible, even animals are said to have spirits because they are alive.

The word in the NT in Greek (pneuma) means about the same thing. Ruach literally means breath - an indicator of being alive. Pneuma means about the same, as air. The biblical worldview is rooted solidly in the Creation, and not in imaginary nonphysical "beings".

Greek Platonists would say that man has a body and man has a soul. Put them together and you have a human. Salvation is the release of the soul from the body to return to heaven. The Hebrews would, in contrast, say that man is a soul; man is a body. They are different aspects of the one single, unified being.

 

[Zceptre]

Aliens are demons.

They bring messages contradicting the Gospel, claiming Christ didn't die, and the like. (1st John - Test the spirits - Test failed)

Jacques Vallee, Chuck Missler, LA Marzulli, just to name a few of the more common and famous names, cover these entities and their hostile behavior as well as them being caught in many many many lies and untruths.

Their behavior in the skies is extra-dimensional in nature, not extra-terrestrial. They behave like non-physical objects and there is a reason for it, because they are manifesting, not traveling in from somewhere else.

An additional resource people can look into is alienresistance.org (especially if the "aliens" are showing up in your personal life - helps encounterers)

They run for the hills at the name of Jesus. Why would that be? Yeah.

Fallen angels and demons are legendary for their crafty lies and cunning wits to deceive people.

Most everyone I have seen who underestimates them falls for their tricks and traps. They are extremely sneaky little snakes and when people play their game and put their feet in the water to see if it is warm... they lose every round and I've observed some very nasty falls on account of interacting with them.

Anyone who gives them an inch, will lose a mile. If they get their foot in the door, they will own the house. If you touch it, it will bite and lock.

They have been manipulating things here since the garden of Eden, Genesis chapter 6, Babel... the works. Alexander the great reported the things "flying" in the skies and even (if I'm recalling correctly) taking part in some of the battles against his foes.

For the people who have encountered pure evil themselves, this stuff is kind of obvious. The deception levels are off the charts and that kind of behavior is a dead giveaway to anyone with the insights to deduce the conclusions.

To add to all of this, all of the people that report being around these creatures never have anything fun to say. They are always being tormented somehow, including full on secular reports and interviews. I mean you can look up demonology, and ufo encounters and compare the two and it becomes pretty obvious that they are the same entities.

When the Lord Jesus tells the angels and they snatch the devoted believers in the rapture, the world is going to be told that the aliens done it and it's a fact they will tell them this.

They can't stop God from removing people, and they will need a reason for the disappearance of so many people. They are preparing everyone to take the bait that they are the "real saviors" and that "they" took the people that vanished....

It is lies, lol... of course. But the world will buy it hook... line... and sinker... Gut hooked.

 

[DennisF]

The expressions natural and supernatural are not found in the Bible because they have pagan origins as pagan ideas. Nature is what the Fates control and anything the gods do in nature is above and beyond it, or supernatural. This kind of dualistic language comes from Platonism and is foreign to biblical thinking (though some people readily read it into some of Paul's writings!).

Hebrew thinking is grounded in the Creation of Yahweh. Heaven is outer space (or the troposphere, or where God dwells) and is the rest of the physical universe above us. The word spirit in Hebrew (ruach) is what in 21st-century control theory we would call the dynamics of life. It is not some ghost in the machine of bodies. It is what animates bodies in a way that we would say they are alive. In the Bible, even animals are said to have spirits because they are alive.

The word in the NT in Greek (pneuma) means about the same thing. Ruach literally means breath - an indicator of being alive. Pneuma means about the same, as air. The biblical worldview is rooted solidly in the Creation, and not in imaginary nonphysical "beings".

Greek Platonists would say that man has a body and man has a soul. Put them together and you have a human. Salvation is the release of the soul from the body to return to heaven. The Hebrews would, in contrast, say that man is a soul; man is a body. They are different aspects of the one single, unified being. The Bible teaches the resurrection of the body, not the freeing of the spirit from it, as though the spirit is some independent entity.