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I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. My blood sugar levels are staying at about 210.
With eating very low carbohydrate meals and riding a bike 10 miles i can get down to about 116, alomost safe i think.

I guess i'm asking this: If i can manage to get this much exercise and get accustomed to eating a keto style diet, can this be enough to possibly manage this without taking medicine?

Have any of you done this?
 

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I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. My blood sugar levels are staying at about 210.
With eating very low carbohydrate meals and riding a bike 10 miles i can get down to about 116, alomost safe i think.

I guess i'm asking this: If i can manage to get this much exercise and get accustomed to eating a keto style diet, can this be enough to possibly manage this without taking medicine?

Have any of you done this?
Yes ... it can be done ... just as you are doing it.

116 is pretty safe, BTW ...
 
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this is something to discuss with a doctor, I know I control my diabetes with diet and such, I also lost 180 lbs which helped a lot. But again, this is the sort of thing that needs be carefully monitored by people who know what to look for and how to do what you need. :wave:
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My best advice, OP: Consult your doctor about this subject. As a thumb rule: Yes, it is completely possible - and recommended - to controll the blood sugar level by diet and exercise. I get nothing out of your measuring, as in Norway the accepted level is >7.0 and when not being able to always keep that level measured before a meel + >9.5 measured 30 minutes after a meal, drugs will be precribed in additiion: Normally Metformine, as little as required for keeping >7/>9.5 on a steadily basis
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Edit: Just found that Norwegian 7 is equal to US 115, Norwegian 9.5 is equal to US 170.
 
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Dropping from 210 to 116 without medicines means you've already done very well. Congratulations are in order.

I have just one suggestion: if you're overweight, diet until you're thin. For most people, type 2 diabetes tracks along with body weight. I know mine does.
 
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Edit: Just found that Norwegian 7 is equal to US 115, Norwegian 9.5 is equal to US 170.
7 mmol/L = 126 mg/dL
US uses mg/dL, UK uses mmol/L. As a chemist, I wonder why they don't simply use millimolar (mM)
 
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7 mmol/L = 126 mg/dL
US uses mg/dL, UK uses mmol/L. As a chemist, I wonder why they don't simply use millimolar (mM)
Have no idea at all, found the conversation table Norway-USA at the Norwegian Helfo web. Log-in here requries a Norwegian PNR (11-digit personal number, all citizens of Norway get one at birth), one spesific code requested from latest DIFI letter received (30 codes meant for one-time use) a Norwegian cellphone number registerd to the PNR-owner, and a Norwegian IP address. Reason for all this is that onto the Helfo web pages the further way to health information about oneself is short and easy.
 
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Thanks for all the quick responses. Not to sure i could make any sense out of the chemistry notation and lingo but thanks any way.
I just got back from the gym and my result were not as effective as the bike ride. My blood sugar is 166 so i'll probably head and a grab a few mile on the bike and see how it goes.

So, if you're one of those managing with diet and exercise what kind of exercise and how much are you finding to be effective?

I'm putting in some effort and no doubt i'll have to may adjustments along the way.
 
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I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. My blood sugar levels are staying at about 210.
With eating very low carbohydrate meals and riding a bike 10 miles i can get down to about 116, alomost safe i think.

I guess i'm asking this: If i can manage to get this much exercise and get accustomed to eating a keto style diet, can this be enough to possibly manage this without taking medicine?

Have any of you done this?
Lifting weights can lower A1c dramatically.

See also: How to Reverse Type 2 Diabetes | NutritionFacts.org
 
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i remember reading that somewhere, i will begin a weight lifting program. Thank you. Have you experienced result from weightlifting yourself?

I don't have diabetes but have read a lot about dieting and losing weight. One of these reads took to me to article that mentioned diabetes.

It mentioned the key to better managing diabetes is losing weight. And the best physical activity to lose weight are aerobic or cardio vascular exercises and cycling is one of them.

How you ride your bike will also factor in. If you're on low-carb diet, the majority of your rides should be easy but still long enough. If you're familiar with the '5 heart rate Zone or exercise intensity, out of 5, you should spend most of your rides at Zone 2 for long periods. Like at least one hour of Zone 1 to Zone 2 a day and if you can't always ride your bike outside, consider investing in smart indoor bike trainer.

Also use a heart rate monitor if you haven't already. Zone is 60 to 70% of your max heart rate and considered light or low intensity effort. If you know your max heart rate, there are two ways to know your max heart rate, you can do an all out sprint (Zone 5 effort) for 30 seconds and note your heart rate or use the formula 220 - (your age). The formula is a rough estimate and the sprint will typically give more accurate result. But unless you're physically fit, sprinting may cause problems like fainting or even heart attack or stroke.

Why not put more time in more intense Zone 3 and above? These zones will much more rapidly use up the glycogen energy stores in your body. Glycogen ultimately comes from carbs and if you're on a low carb diet, it will cause you to fatigue much sooner and hamper efforts to maximize fat burning which occurs at Zone 2.

Eventually, you may get faster at riding your bike as your endurance improves and you get stronger, that's OK as long as the effort remains light and you remain at Zone 2 heart rate. Do note as you get more physically fit, your max heart rate might change. It will likely get lower.

And here's takeaway, you can still do weightlifting in the gym but this doesn't mean you let go of cycling. You cannot sacrifice the time you spent on cycling because the aerobic, fat-burning nature of cycling still makes it more important exercise than weight lifting.

And weight lifting may not agree with your low carb diet. Weight lifting will not only raise your body's demand for protein but carbs as well. Fortunately, there's a solution. You may increase your carb intake if adding weight lifting to your routine but make sure you eat low Glycemic Index carbs (examples like green vegetables, most fruits, raw carrots, kidney beans, chickpeas and lentils) to prevent blood sugar spikes.

Weight lifting might complicate things but it comes with benefits. It builds muscle mass and more muscle mass improves fat-burning even if at rest. And having more muscles helps minimize muscle atrophy as you age. However, despite it, cycling still remains your best option to lose weight and fat. Brisk walking is also good. Running, not nearly as good due to higher impact strain on the joints.

And if you drink or eat anything while riding your bike will also matter. Water is fine, electrolytes is fine. But anything with lots of sugar or High Glycemic index ingredients would be terribly bad like Gatorade and many examples of energy bar and energy gels.

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i remember reading that somewhere, i will begin a weight lifting program. Thank you. Have you experienced result from weightlifting yourself?
I went from something like A1c 6.2 to 5.6 in a month. i couldn't believe it.
 
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I don't have diabetes but have read a lot about dieting and losing weight. One of these reads took to me to article that mentioned diabetes.

It mentioned the key to better managing diabetes is losing weight. And the best physical activity to lose weight are aerobic or cardio vascular exercises and cycling is one of them.

How you ride your bike will also factor in. If you're on low-carb diet, the majority of your rides should be easy but still long enough. If you're familiar with the '5 heart rate Zone or exercise intensity, out of 5, you should spend most of your rides at Zone 2 for long periods. Like at least one hour of Zone 1 to Zone 2 a day and if you can't always ride your bike outside, consider investing in smart indoor bike trainer.

Also use a heart rate monitor if you haven't already. Zone is 60 to 70% of your max heart rate and considered light or low intensity effort. If you know your max heart rate, there are two ways to know your max heart rate, you can do an all out sprint (Zone 5 effort) for 30 seconds and note your heart rate or use the formula 220 - (your age). The formula is a rough estimate and the sprint will typically give more accurate result.

Why not put more time in more intense Zone 3 and above? These zones will much more rapidly use up the glycogen energy stores in your body. Glycogen ultimately comes from carbs and if you're on a low carb diet, it will cause you to fatigue much sooner and hamper efforts to maximize fat burning which occurs at Zone 2.

Eventually, you may get faster at riding your bike as your endurance improves and you get stronger, that's OK as long as the effort remains light and you remain at Zone 2 heart rate. Do note as you get more physically fit, your max heart rate might change. It will likely get lower.

And here's takeaway, you can still do weightlifting in the gym but this doesn't mean you let go of cycling. You cannot sacrifice the time you spent on cycling because the aerobic, fat-burning nature of cycling still makes it more important exercise than weight lifting.

And weight lifting may not agree with your low carb diet. Weight lifting will not only raise your body's demand for protein but carbs as well. Fortunately, there's a solution. You may increase your carb intake if adding weight lifting to your routine but make sure you eat low Glycemic Index carbs (examples like green vegetables, most fruits, raw carrots, kidney beans, chickpeas and lentils) to prevent blood sugar spikes.

Weight lifting might complicate things but it comes with benefits. It builds muscle mass and more muscle mass improves fat-burning even if at rest. And having more muscles helps minimize muscle atrophy as you age. However, despite it, cycling still remains your best option to lose weight and fat. Brisk walking is also good. Running, not nearly as good due to higher impact strain on the joints.

And if you drink or eat anything while riding your bike will also matter. Water is fine, electrolytes is fine. But anything with lots of sugar or High Glycemic index ingredients would be terribly bad like Gatorade and many examples of energy bar and energy gels.

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Interest in Maximum heart rate formulas?

The regression equation obtained in the laboratory-based study (209 - 0.7 x age) was virtually identical to that obtained from the meta-analysis.


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Interest in Maximum heart rate formulas?

The regression equation obtained in the laboratory-based study (209 - 0.7 x age) was virtually identical to that obtained from the meta-analysis.


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Yup, that formula is only a pt closer to my max heart rate which is significantly above the calculated figure. I'm 41 years old. The traditional formula gives me 179 bpm. The formula you gave gives 180.3 bpm which makes it slightly more accurate. My actual max heart rate is 205 bpm while my resting/sitting down heart rate (not sleeping) is 39 bpm. It's a huge range.

I was able to get my actual max heart rate while doing 30 second max power sprint on a stationary bike.

While my max heart rate is significantly above formula-based estimates, some perfectly healthy individuals have significantly less. So there's still good chance it might be significantly off. Although trying to determine your actual max heart rate through actual test comes with risk - you have to perform an incredibly intense physical activity for 30 seconds which can potentially trigger fainting or even heart attack or even stroke for less healthy individuals.
 
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wow what wonderful, informative, and encouraging comments. Thank you very much. I will be adding weight lifting and continuing my cycling. I have went from 8.2 to 6.5 a1c. in the last 2 years. I need to tighten up and really get it done. Nutrition is my biggest helper so far i believe the training will get me the rest of the way.
Pray for me, i will be praying for you.
Thank you.
 
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Yup, that formula is only a pt closer to my max heart rate which is significantly above the calculated figure. I'm 41 years old. The traditional formula gives me 179 bpm. The formula you gave gives 180.3 bpm which makes it slightly more accurate. My actual max heart rate is 205 bpm while my resting/sitting down heart rate (not sleeping) is 39 bpm. It's a huge range.

I was able to get my actual max heart rate while doing 30 second max power sprint on a stationary bike.

While my max heart rate is significantly above formula-based estimates, some perfectly healthy individuals have significantly less. So there's still good chance it might be significantly off. Although trying to determine your actual max heart rate through actual test comes with risk - you have to perform an incredibly intense physical activity for 30 seconds which can potentially trigger fainting or even heart attack or even stroke for less healthy individuals.
Congratulations! I wonder if my last treadmill stress test would have MAX. I will have to dig it up and ask my Cardiologist.
It bugs me that there are so many formula's but then so many people it is all estimate.

Thanks.
 
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Congratulations! I wonder if my last treadmill stress test would have MAX. I will have to dig it up and ask my Cardiologist.
It bugs me that there are so many formula's but then so many people it is all estimate.

Thanks.

I almost fainted in my first couple sprints during a 1 week period! There's risks involved if you're not very physically fit. On a treadmill, you may have to give it an incline to simulate running uphill.

Then again, the formula is not very accurate.

Usually, a long period of continuous cardio exercise even at low / easy intensity like pedaling on a stationary bike at an easy effort (easy, but not too easy) for up to two hours a day can deliver incredibly good health results. You don't have to know your max heart rate in this case. You just have to do it by 'feel'. Walking for two hours would certainly count as easy if it's not too hot outside.

You can still do strength training in between like lifting weights. It's a great routine as long as you don't lose the long but easy cardio workouts.
 
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