Two types of Catholics

[PJ76]

I was chatting with a protestant on YouTube and the reason he didn't want to become a catholic is because there was a lack of love in the catholic church. He went to a mass and he was turned off, because of the lack of love within the church congregation. Would you agree or disagree?

 

[Michie]

Hmm. Smelling something in the air...

 

[PJ76]

Hmm. Smelling something in the air...

What are you smelling? A rotisserie marinated chicken or a steered fried prime rib steak?

 

[PJ76]

It's a journey.

I would call it a loving journey where we need to love everyone on the journey.

 

[concretecamper]

It was Jesus who saved Saul, not the church. Jesus alone saves souls. But as a church, we should be reaching out to people.

The point I was making is Jesus and His Church are one. Jesus does save us. He saves us through the Sacraments of the Church.

If salvation is readily available to those outside His Church, then why did Christ bother setting up the Church?

 

[PJ76]

If salvation is readily available to those outside His Church, then why did Christ bother setting up the Church?

I totally agree with you. If anyone can be saved outside the catholic church as long as they believe in Jesus, then what is the point of being catholic?

 

[tampasteve]

I was chatting with a protestant on YouTube and the reason he didn't want to become a catholic is because there was a lack of love in the catholic church. He went to a mass and he was turned off, because of the lack of love within the church congregation. Would you agree or disagree?

Disagree. Maybe in some parishes that is the case, but the ones I was a member of had lots of love. It is similar to any church really, some pastors/priests will foster an environment that might feel more "loving", and some will not. But that does not make the Mass any more or less valid, or the church as a whole more or less "loving". It is not fair of him to judge the whole RCC based on one parish he attended. Many churches even have more than one priest, so different Masses will have a different feel.

 

[concretecamper]

I hear you, Camper, and obviously, in Heaven, there is no heresy, schism, error, or pride. None at all. Which means those who make it up there, make it through Christ, and as members of His Church. How God's Divine Mercy irons this out, either at the moment of death, through Purgatory, or both, I don't know.

But I do know that if we can weep and hope for righteous / just pagans, we can and should hope that God's grace saves and reconciles to His Church those Christians who did what they could with what they had and grasped to carry their cross, and follow Christ.

Doesn't the Fatima Prayer and Divine Mercy Chaplet, to some extent, point to this?

Praying for salvation for those outside His Church is an act of charity that we all should do. My point is that we cannot assume on anything outside of what Christ has revealed.

 

[PJ76]

My point is that we cannot assume on anything outside of what Christ has revealed.

I agree. Only Jesus knows.

 

[PJ76]

Disagree. Maybe in some parishes that is the case, but the ones I was a member of had lots of love.

Yes same here. The catholic church that I am part of currently has shown me love as well.

 

[PJ76]

The point I was making is Jesus and His Church are one. Jesus does save us. He saves us through the Sacraments of the Church.

Nodding in agreement.

 

[PJ76]

I think its an honest and fair question. If anyone can be saved outside the catholic church just by believing in Jesus Christ, then what is the point of becoming a catholic?

 

[Michie]

Because you have the fullness of faith.

 

[PJ76]

Because you have the fullness of faith.

So are you saying a person cannot have the fullness of faith at a Presbyterian Church?

 

[Michie]

Yep.

So are you saying a person cannot have the fullness of faith at a Presbyterian Church?

 

[PJ76]

Yep.

What is a fullness of faith?

 

[Michie]

Haven't you discussed this with your priest or read about the faith we hold in the catechism?? I mean, why are you starting the process of converting??

What is a fullness of faith?

 

[PJ76]

Haven't you discussed this with your priest or read about the faith we hold in the catechism??

Sorry but I have not. So what is the fullness of faith?

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Haven't you discussed this with your priest or read about the faith we hold in the catechism?? I mean, why are you starting the process of converting??

LOLOL - See why I dropped out?

 

[Michie]

Why are you converting then?

Sorry but I have not. So what is the fullness of faith?