Two types of Catholics

[PJ76]

I have yet to meet a protestant who falls into the category of invincible ignorance. Every protestant whom I have spoken with at least seems to have a general knowledge of the catholic church.

 

[ripple the car]

I will be honest. I don't consider protestants to be saved, but I still love them. Unless they (protestants) are living in invincible ignorance, then I don't consider them to be saved. But I still love them as my neighbors.

I'd be careful with this, man. It swings close to what some Protestants say about Catholics. And it stings when they say it about us, you know?

I figure, if they confess Christ, confess the Apostles' Creed, revere and study and do their best to obey Holy Scripture, have faith, hope, and charity, love their neighbors, and love their enemies, we shouldn't call them non-Christians, or presume that through their faith and works, God's grace is not saving them. Are they missing out on a bunch of stuff? Yeah. Are they dead wrong on other stuff? Yes. But, still.

They're certainly not on the same level as Hindus or Buddhists or something. They're still Christians.

 

[ripple the car]

I have yet to meet a protestant who falls into the category of invincible ignorance. Every protestant whom I have spoken with at least seems to have a general knowledge of the catholic church.

They do. And we should pray for the incredible and extraordinary lies they've been taught to melt away, so they can see the Truth for what it is. They've also been taught 500 years of propaganda.

 

[PJ76]

It swings close to what some Protestants say about Catholics. And it stings when they say it about us, you know?

I have heard some protestants on YouTube call catholics a cult group. I will be honest with you. It doesn't sting or hurt me at all. It actually gives me an opportunity to show them that we can love each other even if we have differences of opinions.

 

[PJ76]

And we should pray for the incredible and extraordinary lies they've been taught to melt away, so they can see the Truth for what it is. They've also been taught 500 years of propaganda.

Yes love and pray for them.

 

[PJ76]

We are entitled to our own opinions, but that opinion should not prevent us from loving one other.

 

[Rhamiel]

I have yet to meet a protestant who falls into the category of invincible ignorance. Every protestant whom I have spoken with at least seems to have a general knowledge of the catholic church.

Also to be invincibly ignorant you have to lack the ability to find the truth

So they would have to be unable to read, or have no access to a library or the internet or be so psychologically malformed that they lacked culpability

The term invincible ignorance is so over used it is meaningless

 

[PJ76]

Also to be invincibly ignorant you have to lack the ability to find the truth. So they would have to be unable to read, or have no access to a library or the internet or be so psychologically malformed that they lacked culpability

This is the reason we need to pray for them because the Catechism says there is no salvation outside the catholic church.

 

[PJ76]

The term invincible ignorance is so over used it is meaningless

I agree with you wholeheartedly, but I mentioned it since it is in the Catechism.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

God knows your heart. The only definition of that term that matters is His.

 

[PJ76]

God knows your heart. The only definition of that term that matters is His.

Yes at the end of the day, Jesus will be the judge. But we have to uphold the Catechism as well. You are entitled to disagree with the Catechism, but it is a catholic doctrine that exists for a reason.

 

[PJ76]

Jesus gave us the Catholic Church and the Church gave us the Catechism.

 

[concretecamper]

Jesus gave us the Church as THE means to save souls. How one is saved without the Church baffles me. But i am sure God can certainly make exceptions, but we cannot assume those exceptions are common otherwise the Church would not be necessary.

 

[PJ76]

Jesus gave us the Church as THE means to save souls

We do not save souls, Jesus saves souls. Jesus gave us the church to worship and fellowship. Church in Greek means a gathering of believers. But yes, as a church we should be reaching out to people.

 

[concretecamper]

We do not save souls, Jesus saves souls. Jesus gave us the church to worship and fellowship. Church in Greek means a gathering of believers. But yes, as a church we should be reaching out to people.

Saul, Saul, why do you persecute the Church?

No

Saul, Saul, why do you persecute ME!!!!

 

[PJ76]

Saul, Saul, why do you persecute the Church? No Saul, Saul, why do you persecute ME!!!!

It was Jesus who saved Saul, not the church. Jesus alone saves souls. But as a church, we should be reaching out to people.

 

[concretecamper]

It was Jesus who saved Saul, not the church. Jesus alone saves souls. But as a church, we should be reaching out to people.

Ok

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Ok

LOLOL. Yup.

 

[PJ76]

A person can go through all the motions and partake in all the sacraments out of pride. But that doesn't necessarily mean they are saved. It is Jesus who saves.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

It just never stops. Lol