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No, it means that the original Greek (and Hebrew for the OT) is more accurate than any translation.

The words in Bible translations never 100% match the meaning of the original. They're just as close as we can get.

Oh I see.

Yes, I can agree here. Some words are switched around here and there.

For example:
Hebrews 6:6

The KJV has "If" when the word should be "And"(I believe is the proper).

They still don't pull from the main point though and grab the same thoughts and commands (etc) as we should obey. The one's that REALLY soften and water down some words are NASB, ESV, NIV and the likes. They switch certain words around that slightly change the meaning of what was originally stated before.

I find using Greek to English interlinear quite more accurate than ASV, KJV, NKJV and WAY more accurate than NIV and the other "newer" versions.
 
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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Jesus said everyone would “perish” unless he gave us an “everlasting” life, a life that does not perish.

Since we know that all who live, will perish biologically being mortal, then we know that Jesus was not talking about perishing biologically (since even those who believe in him still perish biologically).

Question: If Jesus was not speaking about the body perishing, then what exactly will “perish” (Defined as: die, lose life, come to nothing, depart wholly) if he does not give “everlasting” life?

Question: If everyone continues to live on “eternally” after the death of their body in heaven or hell forever, then what exactly does Jesus give that is “everlasting”, that those who “perish”, do not receive?​


See answer: www.WhoGoesToHell.com



KJV Dictionary Definition: perish

PER'ISH, v.i.L. pereo, supposed to be compounded of per and eo, to go; literally, to depart wholly.

1. To die; to lose life in any manner

2. To die; to wither and decay; applied to plants.

3. To waste away; as, a leg or an arm has perished.

4. To be in a state of decay or passing away.

5. To be destroyed; to come to nothing.
Is the world on Satan's side?
. God said, "You shall surely die" [Genesis 2:17]
. Satan said, "You shall surely not die" [Genesis 3:4]
. Most Protestant theologians say, "You shall surely not die"

Alexander Campbell in his preface to "The Living Oracles" his translation of the New Testament says, "The reader will please to consider, that, when God spoke to man, he adopted the language of man. To the fathers of the Jewish nation he spoke in their mother tongue. By his Son, and his Son by the Apostles, spoke to every nation in its own language. When he spoke to any nation, he uniformly adopted the words of that nation in expressing his will to it. And that he used their words in the commonly received sense, needs no other proof than this, that if he had not done so, instead of enlightening them in the knowledge of his will, he would have deceived and confounded them: than which, no hypothesis is more impious. For example: were God to speak to us in English, and select from our vocabulary the words death, punishment, perpetual, and wicked; were he to use the last term as we use it, and annex to the others a significant different from that
we affix to them--such as to mean life by the term death, happiness by the punishment, and a limited time by the word perpetual; and without apprising us of such a change, in their meaning...what a deception would he practice on us!" HOW MANY CHANGE "DEATH" TO "LIFE," BY CHANGING "THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH" TO "THE WAGES OF SIN IS ETERNAL LIFE WITH TORMENT"?

William Robert West
 
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Is the world on Satan's side?
. God said, "You shall surely die" [Genesis 2:17]
. Satan said, "You shall surely not die" [Genesis 3:4]
. Most Protestant theologians say, "You shall surely not die"

Alexander Campbell in his preface to "The Living Oracles" his translation of the New Testament says, "The reader will please to consider, that, when God spoke to man, he adopted the language of man. To the fathers of the Jewish nation he spoke in their mother tongue. By his Son, and his Son by the Apostles, spoke to every nation in its own language. When he spoke to any nation, he uniformly adopted the words of that nation in expressing his will to it. And that he used their words in the commonly received sense, needs no other proof than this, that if he had not done so, instead of enlightening them in the knowledge of his will, he would have deceived and confounded them: than which, no hypothesis is more impious. For example: were God to speak to us in English, and select from our vocabulary the words death, punishment, perpetual, and wicked; were he to use the last term as we use it, and annex to the others a significant different from that
we affix to them--such as to mean life by the term death, happiness by the punishment, and a limited time by the word perpetual; and without apprising us of such a change, in their meaning...what a deception would he practice on us!" HOW MANY CHANGE "DEATH" TO "LIFE," BY CHANGING "THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH" TO "THE WAGES OF SIN IS ETERNAL LIFE WITH TORMENT"?

William Robert West


PERFECT!

The first lie recorded in the Bible is Satan contradicting God's word,

"Ye shall not surely die"​


God said,

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."​

Since we know that Adam did not appear to die "in the day" that he ate the forbidden fruit, we know that his "death" happened that day in some other way than natural mortal death. That day, his soul was condemned to death so that when his body died, his soul would "perish" as well.

4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. (Ezekiel 18:4)​

Fortunately, God's plan for salvation was planned before the foundation of the world, at which time, the Lamb of God was slain. God covered Adam and Eve with "skins" of sacrificed animals to "cover" their nakedness (sin). This is a foreshadow of the atonement of Christ.

For some reason, we cannot accept that humans are not "eternal" beings. Despite the fact that God says we are mortal, we agree with the lie of Satan, "Ye shall not surely die".

I agree with the Lord, we will surely die unless we are given eternal, everlasting life that only Jesus gives.

Once we are given eternal life, we are then on a path to our promised inheritance, the kingdom of heaven. Just as the Jews were "saved" from the curse of death by putting the blood of a lamb on their doorpost and were "passed over" by death, so we accept the blood of the lamb Jesus and escape the judgment of death and are freely given eternal life. In both cases, a covenant was sealed in sacrificial blood.

However, The Jews were not yet in the promised land (their inheritance). They had to leave Egypt (a type of the world), go to the mountain where the Law was brought down (a type of Pentecost that actually happened on Pentecost), go to the land promised by God to Abraham and possess it. Because of fear and unbelief, they refused to fight "giants" for a land that God said was theirs already. Consequently, they forfeited their inheritance.

Similarly, we are warned that we must "strive to enter the kingdom of heaven". We are told by Jesus that if we want to go where he was going, that we must deny ourselves pick up our cross and follow Him. This inheritance is paid for and secure, but we, with the empowerment of the Holy Spirit, must fight our own flesh and pull of the world to obtain what has been purchased and promised.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?...

...16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. (Hebrews 12)​

This warning is for "sons". Paul is unambiguously saying that our inheritance of the kingdom of heaven that is promised can be forfeited by failing to respond to our Father's chastening. We will not lose our "salvation" from death, we will be alive in eternity, but may be cast out "where their will be weeping and gnashing of teeth".

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end;

15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?

18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

This is not about "salvation". Paul is speaking to"brethren" and warning them (us) that we may not enter the kingdom of heaven despite the fact that we have entered into a blood covenant with Christ and have a promise yet to be possessed.

Our Father has expectations from his sons! We are not earning anything. We are demonstrating that we value what He has given us by the way we love and obey Him.

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. (Matthew 13:44)​

Jesus is not saying that we "buy" the kingdom of heaven. He is saying that once we "see" the kingdom of heaven promised to a believer, we will order our lives at whatever cost to make sure we possess what has been promised.

Can those who are not "saved" see the kingdom of heaven?

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3)​

Therefore, Jesus is saying that only those who are born again can "see" the kingdom and value it enough to transact one's life to possess the promised inheritance. These are also the only ones who can neglect so great a salvation and promise so as to forfeit it.

Check out the video summary of the study: www.WhoGoesToHell.com
 
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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Jesus said everyone would “perish” unless he gave us an “everlasting” life, a life that does not perish.

Since we know that all who live, will perish biologically being mortal, then we know that Jesus was not talking about perishing biologically (since even those who believe in him still perish biologically).

Question: If Jesus was not speaking about the body perishing, then what exactly will “perish” (Defined as: die, lose life, come to nothing, depart wholly) if he does not give “everlasting” life?

Question: If everyone continues to live on “eternally” after the death of their body in heaven or hell forever, then what exactly does Jesus give that is “everlasting”, that those who “perish”, do not receive?​


See answer: www.WhoGoesToHell.com



KJV Dictionary Definition: perish

PER'ISH, v.i.L. pereo, supposed to be compounded of per and eo, to go; literally, to depart wholly.

1. To die; to lose life in any manner

2. To die; to wither and decay; applied to plants.

3. To waste away; as, a leg or an arm has perished.

4. To be in a state of decay or passing away.

5. To be destroyed; to come to nothing.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Jesus said everyone would “perish” unless he gave us an “everlasting” life, a life that does not perish.

Since we know that all who live, will perish biologically being mortal, then we know that Jesus was not talking about perishing biologically (since even those who believe in him still perish biologically).

Question: If Jesus was not speaking about the body perishing, then what exactly will “perish” (Defined as: die, lose life, come to nothing, depart wholly) if he does not give “everlasting” life?

Question: If everyone continues to live on “eternally” after the death of their body in heaven or hell forever, then what exactly does Jesus give that is “everlasting”, that those who “perish”, do not receive?​


See answer: www.WhoGoesToHell.com



KJV Dictionary Definition: perish

PER'ISH, v.i.L. pereo, supposed to be compounded of per and eo, to go; literally, to depart wholly.

1. To die; to lose life in any manner

2. To die; to wither and decay; applied to plants.

3. To waste away; as, a leg or an arm has perished.

4. To be in a state of decay or passing away.

5. To be destroyed; to come to nothing.

The part of the definition that you underlined holds the key to the word "perish." It means departing completely from the God who sent Jesus to die for us. That sad result comes from God's condemnation as our just Judge when we maintain our lifelong rebellion. Yes, that means hell.
On the other hand, for those who trust in Jesus' life, death, and resurrection, you can get the meaning of that everlasting life by reading the rest of the Gospel of John and seeing his use of life, for example, 11:25, 26 and 14:6 and their contexts.
 
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Question: If everyone continues to live on “eternally” after the death of their body in heaven or hell forever, then what exactly does Jesus give that is “everlasting”, that those who “perish”, do not receive?​

His presence I believe. For what I understand of Hell, Hell is where God is not and where He doesn't act out His character. The ones in Hell will not get to enjoy His grace, His love and all that He is.
 
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So you think that:

1) the kingdom of heaven is a place rather than a condition? Yet Christ says to the disciples that "the Kingdom of Heaven is within/amongst [the Grk is unclear] you".

2) that there are three conditions -
2a) the unsaved who just die
2b) the saved who get eternal life but who backslide and go to eternal hell
2c) the saved who get eternal life and strive for the kingdom (escaping hell)
 
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You said,
Love Omnipotent is willing and able to save angelic beings as well.

That is not what our Omnipotent God said he will do. He made hell for the devil, his angels, and all those who receive the mark of the beast.

True, the eonian fire (Mt.25:41) is prepared for the Adversary & his messengers. Yet the same words "eonian fire" in Jude 1:7 were finite, not eternal. The fire did not burn Sodom forever but went out long ago. While here in Colossians 1 we see the parallel between God creating all and reconciling all:

16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

This post has additional comments upon the context of Mt.25:41, in particular v.46:

Augustine's ignorance & error re Matthew 25:46
 
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His presence I believe. For what I understand of Hell, Hell is where God is not and where He doesn't act out His character. The ones in Hell will not get to enjoy His grace, His love and all that He is.
God is the Creator of all things and in Him allthings have thier being.
If God is not there, then life is not there.
 
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God is the Creator of all things and in Him allthings have thier being.
If God is not there, then life is not there.

I meant in the sense that He won't act out His Grace but His just punishment. On this earth we still have access to his grace and goodness even if we don't believe. The worst thing for someone is to be stripped of everything that God is and gives. To me, apart from Hell being a real place, that is also what Hell is for me. Without God acting His grace and love in our life, we are nothing. If God had just deserted us, turned away from us since the first lie of the serpent we would be miserable. I'm pretty sure you understand what I mean. When you and I were lost, enemies of God, that was in some ways also Hell, not in it's full sense. In hell there is no hope and in that way there is no love of God. His love will be directed towards the blessed and not the cursed.
 
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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Jesus said everyone would “perish” unless he gave us an “everlasting” life, a life that does not perish.

Since we know that all who live, will perish biologically being mortal, then we know that Jesus was not talking about perishing biologically (since even those who believe in him still perish biologically).

Question: If Jesus was not speaking about the body perishing, then what exactly will “perish” (Defined as: die, lose life, come to nothing, depart wholly) if he does not give “everlasting” life?

Question: If everyone continues to live on “eternally” after the death of their body in heaven or hell forever, then what exactly does Jesus give that is “everlasting”, that those who “perish”, do not receive?​


See answer: www.WhoGoesToHell.com



KJV Dictionary Definition: perish

PER'ISH, v.i.L. pereo, supposed to be compounded of per and eo, to go; literally, to depart wholly.

1. To die; to lose life in any manner

2. To die; to wither and decay; applied to plants.

3. To waste away; as, a leg or an arm has perished.

4. To be in a state of decay or passing away.

5. To be destroyed; to come to nothing.

perish is a contrasted with the everlasting life. Death/life, hell/heaven, punishment/reward are other examples we see in the gospels that are contrasted and rather than look at perish/everlasting life in isolation the meaning of it needs to be a more board picture of what the gospel points to. When we focus on Christ we focus on life and when we focus on sin we focus on death. Physical death will take us all (provided Christ doesn't return) and this is the effect of sin upon our fallen state but Jesus has defeated death so we know through him we will be restored in new incorruptible bodies so even death does not have ultimate power over us.

Jesus warns us "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." this is the sort of perishing John 3:16 points to. Revelation reveals to us a second death and this death is for the unredeemed and these concepts are all linked together.

There perhaps may be some controversy as to what "hell" is or what the second death is but it really doesn't matter as we have no control over those things and what they are. For me it is important to desire Christ and know his reward is life contrasted with these death and perishing and hell, all things we are warned against and should want to stay as far away as possible from such things.
 
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So you think that:

1) the kingdom of heaven is a place rather than a condition? Yet Christ says to the disciples that "the Kingdom of Heaven is within/amongst [the Grk is unclear] you".

2) that there are three conditions -
2a) the unsaved who just die
2b) the saved who get eternal life but who backslide and go to eternal hell
2c) the saved who get eternal life and strive for the kingdom (escaping hell)

Your 4 points are spot on!

Jesus describes repeatedly that the kingdom of heaven is a "place". It is a place that one "enters". It is a place that one can be cast out of. It is a place of eternal rest. It is a place where there are "many mansions". Paul compares it to the "place" of the promised land that the Jews failed to enter (and that we too may fail to enter).

It is also a place that exists in a spiritual "dimension". It is outside of our human sensory experience while simultaneously being "in our midst". We know that science has detected and proven the existence of more than one dimension that we do not sense, yet they interact with our dimension.

Jesus, after His resurrection, demonstrated that He could move between these two dimensions. Some Apostles were "transported" to and from different places while being facilitated by the kingdom of heaven's interaction with our dimension.
 
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True, the eonian fire (Mt.25:41) is prepared for the Adversary & his messengers. Yet the same words "eonian fire" in Jude 1:7 were finite, not eternal. The fire did not burn Sodom forever but went out long ago. While here in Colossians 1 we see the parallel between God creating all and reconciling all:
16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
This post has additional comments upon the context of Mt.25:41, in particular v.46:

Jude 1:7
(7) In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
This verse is a bad argument against "eternal, i.e. everlasting, punishment." The adjective "αἰώνιος/aionios" only modifies "fire." It does not say "eternal suffering" or "eternal punishment." Only the fire is eternal. The "eternal fire" was already burning when God sent it down from heaven.
 
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When we focus on Christ we focus on life and when we focus on sin we focus on death. Physical death will take us all (provided Christ doesn't return) and this is the effect of sin upon our fallen state but Jesus has defeated death so we know through him we will be restored in new incorruptible bodies so even death does not have ultimate power over us.

Jesus warns us "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." this is the sort of perishing John 3:16 points to. Revelation reveals to us a second death and this death is for the unredeemed and these concepts are all linked together.

There perhaps may be some controversy as to what "hell" is or what the second death is but it really doesn't matter as we have no control over those things and what they are. For me it is important to desire Christ and know his reward is life contrasted with these death and perishing and hell, all things we are warned against and should want to stay as far away as possible from such things.

perish is a contrasted with the everlasting life. Death/life, hell/heaven, punishment/reward are other examples we see in the gospels that are contrasted and rather than look at perish/everlasting life in isolation the meaning of it needs to be a more board picture of what the gospel points to.

“It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” -Jesus

You said, "rather than look at perish/everlasting life in isolation the meaning of it needs to be a more board picture of what the gospel points to."

God is very specific about the words he has chosen and the application of the meaning of each. If we give ourselves permission to make them vague and general, we can make the gospel say anything we want it to say.

Jesus was very specific when describing what he meant by "perish" and "everlasting life". He wants us to understand the benefits and consequences of each. These are diametrically opposed states of being. They are not abstract.

Jesus warns us "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." this is the sort of perishing John 3:16 points to. Revelation reveals to us a second death and this death is for the unredeemed and these concepts are all linked together.

Jesus is telling those who will be resurrected, having been saved from the curse of death that Adam brought upon the world, that although those who entered the covenant by being born again in the spirit, can experience a "second death". Once we have received the free gift of everlasting life, we can never die as in the way one dies who has not been given everlasting life- returning to dust.

The "second death" can only be experienced by those who have been given a "second life", those to whom Christ has given it to in covenant. This "death" is the terrifying eternal conscious state of everlasting existence in a "place" Jesus called hell.

26 For if we (Believers) sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10)​

So yes, "Jesus warns us (Believers) "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

There perhaps may be some controversy as to what "hell" is or what the second death is but it really doesn't matter as we have no control over those things and what they are.

Jesus spent a great deal of time describing hell and its terrifying reality. It mattered to Jesus and should matter to us to understand who goes there, and why, so we can escape this judgment of God over "His People". He will not take lightly those who accept His Son's sacrifice, receive eternal life just for asking, and then treat it like Esau treated His birthright.

Please watch a brief video summary of the study: www.WhoGoesToHell.com
 
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“It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” -Jesus

You said, "rather than look at perish/everlasting life in isolation the meaning of it needs to be a more board picture of what the gospel points to."

God is very specific about the words he has chosen and the application of the meaning of each. If we give ourselves permission to make them vague and general, we can make the gospel say anything we want it to say.

Jesus was very specific when describing what he meant by "perish" and "everlasting life". He wants us to understand the benefits and consequences of each. These are diametrically opposed states of being. They are not abstract.



Jesus is telling those who will be resurrected, having been saved from the curse of death that Adam brought upon the world, that although those who entered the covenant by being born again in the spirit, can experience a "second death". Once we have received the free gift of everlasting life, we can never die as in the way one dies who has not been given everlasting life- returning to dust.

The "second death" can only be experienced by those who have been given a "second life", those to whom Christ has given it to in covenant. This "death" is the terrifying eternal conscious state of everlasting existence in a "place" Jesus called hell.

26 For if we (Believers) sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10)​

So yes, "Jesus warns us (Believers) "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."



Jesus spent a great deal of time describing hell and its terrifying reality. It mattered to Jesus and should matter to us to understand who goes there, and why, so we can escape this judgment of God over "His People". He will not take lightly those who accept His Son's sacrifice, receive eternal life just for asking, and then treat it like Esau treated His birthright.

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Try that again without misquoting me
 
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True, the eonian fire (Mt.25:41) is prepared for the Adversary & his messengers. Yet the same words "eonian fire" in Jude 1:7 were finite, not eternal. The fire did not burn Sodom forever but went out long ago. While here in Colossians 1 we see the parallel between God creating all and reconciling all:
16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
This post has additional comments upon the context of Mt.25:41, in particular v.46:


Jude 1:7
(7) In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
This verse is a bad argument against "eternal, i.e. everlasting, punishment." The adjective "αἰώνιος/aionios" only modifies "fire." It does not say "eternal suffering" or "eternal punishment." Only the fire is eternal. The "eternal fire" was already burning when God sent it down from heaven.


Forgive me if I am not understanding your point.

Are you suggesting that "***ALL***" will be saved from hell eventually?
 
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The part of the definition that you underlined holds the key to the word "perish." It means departing completely from the God who sent Jesus to die for us. That sad result comes from God's condemnation as our just Judge when we maintain our lifelong rebellion. Yes, that means hell.
On the other hand, for those who trust in Jesus' life, death, and resurrection, you can get the meaning of that everlasting life by reading the rest of the Gospel of John and seeing his use of life, for example, 11:25, 26 and 14:6 and their contexts.


“It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” -Jesus

We have definitions of every word that God spoke. These definitions are not subject to our "adjustment".

God is very specific about the words he has chosen and the application of the meaning of each. If we give ourselves permission to make them vague and general, we can make the gospel say anything we want it to say.

Jesus was very specific when describing what he meant by "perish" and "everlasting life". He wants us to understand the benefits and consequences of each. These are diametrically opposed states of being. They are not abstract.

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I meant in the sense that He won't act out His Grace but His just punishment. On this earth we still have access to his grace and goodness even if we don't believe. The worst thing for someone is to be stripped of everything that God is and gives. To me, apart from Hell being a real place, that is also what Hell is for me. Without God acting His grace and love in our life, we are nothing. If God had just deserted us, turned away from us since the first lie of the serpent we would be miserable. I'm pretty sure you understand what I mean. When you and I were lost, enemies of God, that was in some ways also Hell, not in it's full sense. In hell there is no hope and in that way there is no love of God. His love will be directed towards the blessed and not the cursed.
We are created beings that can be uncreated and our punishment for sin is death (For the wages of sin is death), which is destruction that lasts forever (They will be punished with everlasting destruction).
 
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