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Sorry, I did not question the video, I question the audio.


Please learn how to read.

Continue with the "learn how to read" type comments and I'll report you for flaming.

Exactly how should the audio sound for you to believe it?
 
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Continue with the "learn how to read" type comments and I'll report you for flaming.

Exactly how should the audio sound for you to believe it?


You sit here and insult me all the time, then say I advocate the deaths of cops and are part of the problem.

You have some nerve. You started this.
 
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You sit here and insult me all the time, then say I advocate the deaths of cops and are part of the problem.

You have some nerve. You started this.

I was referring to your STATEMENTS. I addressed the post. I didn't say you were stupid, I didn't tell you to learn how to read. I am asking you to stop with those remarks. If you don't, I will report you.


Even the leaders like Sharpton et al acknowledge the video of those calling for the deaths of cops. They were quick to deny that they were a part of the bigger demonstration that day.

So let's stop with the notion that the video is fake.
 
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So are they protesting against cops or people getting away with murder which involves lawyers, judges and politicians? The cops are sandwiched between corrupt citizens and corrupt government yet somehow not to become corrupted themselves.

Odd, if we view the situation as you do, It seems like you are laying out a scenario where protests and outrage are entirely understandable...

But, somehow people who call attention to the problems, sympathize with the concerns of the protesters or are outraged involved are irresponsible?
 
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Then I will leave the thread by saying that everything is Obama's fault, since he is in charge. When somebody is murdered, it is not only the murderers fault, but the fault of the entire system.

I guess Rudy was correct....

Obama is part of the system, but certainly doesn't control it (regardless of what some conservatives try to say). I'm not asking you to leave the thread or the discussion, but i think you should realize that while i don't think "cops are bad", i do think the way to address the cops who are bad is by changing the system, which currently tacitly supports the behavior of bad cops.

Attempting to go after the bad cops via protest, without bringing attention to (or even acknowledging) the system which emboldens the behavior of those cops will be a fruitless activity.

There are those both on the sides of the protesters, as well as on the side of law enforcement officials which are working to prevent those of us in the middle from having a rational debate, painting the opposition with a broad brush, and lumping those who with moderate viewpoints in with those on the extremes. That is, of course, the general dynamic for most political discussion nowadays, so i shouldn't be surprised...
 
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I was referring to your STATEMENTS.

Bedford also said this: "Maybe if cops didn't go around killing and injuring innocent people, then getting away with it, we would not see this kind of thing happen."

You are doing a terrible job of trying to disconnect a statement of mine from me saying it. When referring to my statements, you are referring to me. Besides you misinterpreted my statement and doubled down simply because I did not post what you wanted me to post.

Bedford seems to condone the violence. Even now he can't say "the guy was wrong for killing the cops". Bedford says that the cops died because of other cops' actions. Bedford is basically saying they deserved to die.
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I didn't say you were stupid, I didn't tell you to learn how to read. I am asking you to stop with those remarks. If you don't, I will report you.
I didn't say you were stupid, so again you are misinterpreting my statements.

I said you should learn to read after you said:

MELODRAMATICS! Get ahold of yourself and calm down.

Why are you claiming i am unhinged? Maybe I should report you for flaming?




Even the leaders like Sharpton et al acknowledge the video of those calling for the deaths of cops. They were quick to deny that they were a part of the bigger demonstration that day.
I am not with that crowd.

So let's stop with the notion that the video is fake.
I did not say the audio is fake, I said I question the audio based on other audio released by the right wing deceptively editing audio. You can stop anytime you like and respect me enough to let me post my thoughts as I wish.
 
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I have always addressed the content of your posts. That is the rules.

If I am wrong, you are free to show me that. You are NOT free to tell me I need to learn how to read. There is no merit to such an argument.

I don't use the ignore tool, but I sure am tempted right now.
 
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I have always addressed the content of your posts. That is the rules.

If I am wrong, you are free to show me that. You are NOT free to tell me I need to learn how to read. There is no merit to such an argument.

I don't use the ignore tool, but I sure am tempted right now.

You were wrong and I told you you were wrong about me and what I wrote. kermit got it and tried to convince you, and you didn't believe him either.

Apparently that was not good enough for you, so there is nothing else to say other than you believe what you want.

You are not free to tell me to get a hold of myself and calm down. There is no merit in such an argument.
 
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That's supposed to be proof of something?? If that guy had the same health issues as Eric Garner, he would probably be dead too. That's the point. But I guess this guy didn't have a black sergeant controlling things.


No,no.no...this is what you said.

"First of all, there’s no racism in this case. If this man were a white man resisting arrest at that same size, the same thing would happen.

Now, is this white man dead?

You can't help but move that goal post, can you?
 
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No,no.no...this is what you said.



Now, is this white man dead?

You can't help but move that goal post, can you?

I did not move a goal post. If that white man had the same health issues that Garner did, he could also be dead. It was the health issues, not the color of anyone's skin.
 
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@Brewmama, I don't know if you saw my post, but I asked if you were told that all people were good?

No I didn't, and I also don't really understand the question. But if you mean if people were made in the image of God, yes that's true. People born into this world have a propensity to sin, yes that's true. Are we all depraved and not redeemable, not true. Do I believe evil exists in this world, yes.
 
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Michael Brown -- Horrific Racist Song At Charity Event ... 'And He's Dead, Dead Michael Brown' (VIDEO) | TMZ.com

Michael Brown Song Video Dead Police "Parady"


Michael Brown learned a lesson about a messin’
With a badass policeman

And he’s bad, bad Michael Brown
Baddest thug in the whole damn town
Badder than old King Kong
Meaner than a junkyard dog

Two men took to fightin’
And Michael punched in through the door
And Michael looked like some old Swiss cheese
His brain was splattered on the floor

And he’s dead, dead Michael Brown
Deadest man in the whole damn town
His whole life’s long gone
Deaden than a roadkill dog.

Yea... race relations are all fine it is 2015! We have progressed so much...

Lol...
 
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Michael Brown -- Horrific Racist Song At Charity Event ... 'And He's Dead, Dead Michael Brown' (VIDEO) | TMZ.com

Michael Brown Song Video Dead Police "Parady"

Yea... race relations are all fine it is 2015! We have progressed so much...

Lol...

The Elks Lodge have apologized for this, the entertainer thought his crowd would get a kick out of it. Is it only racist because the song is about a black man? The lyrics are not racist, just stupid, in my opinion.

While you're pointing out racist "parody" songs...I sure hope you don't miss all the cop killer songs that have been produced over the years.
 
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The Elks Lodge have apologized for this, the entertainer thought his crowd would get a kick out of it. Is it only racist because the song is about a black man? The lyrics are not racist, just stupid, in my opinion.

While you're pointing out racist "parody" songs...I sure hope you don't miss all the cop killer songs that have been produced over the years.

So #1: this isn't racist, it is classless, bigoted and prejudiced. There is no power wielded.

#2: Cops are supposed to be of a higher standard than us lowly civilians. That is the reason for the justification of all these non-indictment: the law is skewed in favor of the cops. With power comes responsibility, and if you are a law enforcement agent, and this type of stuff entertains you, I wouldn't want you policing my neighborhood.

Mature people don't fight fire with fire. And, apologies after the fact are trivial. The energy (sound waves) exist forever.

I refuse to excuse stuff like the song when my government, and certain people, are trying to convince me cops aren't, and never were the problem. If they do this in the open, then I can only imagine what they do behind closed doors, and what type of attitude they bring with them on the job.

And, it is absolutely classless. I think I said that.
 
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