Two men in a bed

[Juelrei]

Jesus used that saying Luke 17:34 when teaching about - is it the rapture?

There are a number of articles about it being gay. It's preposterous of course. But, what can be said to those who bring it up as a topic of discussion?

What would be a non-gay reason why two men would be sharing a bed together?

If this question and answers have already been covered elsewhere, then please give the url.

Thank you.

 

[tturt]

Had looked at this several years ago. Some versions don't have the word "men" such as Mounce Reverse Interlinear NT at https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luk+17:34&version=MOUNCE

One person stated that they ate reclining on couches during that time period - don't remember the author's name.

 

[dysert]

The word "men" is not in the original. If you're reading the KJV you'll notice the word is in italics, meaning that it was added by the editors. Read the verse without the word "men" in it and you'll be closer to understanding the passage.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

What would be a non-gay reason why two men would be sharing a bed together?

Probably just because they're both TIRED, and there's only ONE BED.

SImple as that.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

until a few decades ago, before sin became worse and more rampant,

two men could walk together, go shopping or fishing or hunting or bicycling or
share a house or apartment
and no one suspected they were perverts because they weren't, usually.

now, unrighteously, it is a sign of the end being near that too many are perverts and they and those who accept the perversion and not repelled by the sin are soon to be dealt with by Yhvh the Creator, along with other sins/ sinners who don't repent.

 

[Bobinator]

What many Christians fail to note is verse 37. The disciples asked what happened to the missing people, and Jesus basically says that they're dead, and their bodies are being eaten by the fowls of the air (or vultures) as the footnote in my original King James Bible says.

Several verses before, Jesus refers to Sodom and Gomorrah. So yes, I believe Jesus' reference to 2 men in a bed could reflect our present day and age. And no, there is no pre-tribulation rapture, unless Jesus was lying in Matthew 24:29-30, when he said he would return after tribulations.

 

[jannikitty]

The word "men" is not in the original. If you're reading the KJV you'll notice the word is in italics, meaning that it was added by the editors. Read the verse without the word "men" in it and you'll be closer to understanding the passage.

I totally agree! Thanks for pointing this out because checking out the meaning of the original language, i.e. Hebrew or Greek..when needed is always a good idea.

 

[Bobinator]

I totally agree! Thanks for pointing this out because checking out the meaning of the original language, i.e. Hebrew or Greek..when needed is always a good idea.

As we know, the New Testament was originally written in Greek. The online Greek Bible seems to confirm what you're saying. The word "men" is used as a generic term for "people".

 

[Alithis]

As we know, the New Testament was originally written in Greek. The online Greek Bible seems to confirm what you're saying. The word "men" is used as a generic term for "people".

yes.. just as else where the term "mankind" is used...
hence ..two mankind (humans)will be in a bed... husband and wife are descendants of adam ..brought forth after their own kind..

Any one who tries to manipulate the verse to justify homosexuality is not speaking in truth but by the spirit of Thisworld.

-and any attempt to use that depraved interpretation to promote homosexuality would be a rule violation on CF .-

 

[Free at Calvary]

Reading this thread made me laugh so hard I couldn't stop. The idea of anything perverse is so ludicrous....but the natural man can see no other explanation.

Also I don't agree with the word "men" being interpreted to "people", because we'd have to do the same in the next verse which speaks of two women grinding. Would you interpret "women" to mean "people"?

My thinking is that two men in one bed, two women grinding, and two in the field, describes servants of Christ and their activities, which are interpreted spiritually. In bed suggests slumber and sleep, while the others are laboring, yet still one was taken and the other left.

I find this teaching to be similar to the one where Jesus says not all who say Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but in this case those not taken succumbed to end times persecution.

 

[Juelrei]

The word "men" is not in the original. If you're reading the KJV you'll notice the word is in italics, meaning that it was added by the editors. Read the verse without the word "men" in it and you'll be closer to understanding the passage.

Thanks, I checked in the KJV, there are italics used in all three verses 34-men,35-women,36-men.

 

[Juelrei]

Had looked at this several years ago. Some versions don't have the word "men" such as Mounce Reverse Interlinear NT at https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luk+17:34&version=MOUNCE

One person stated that they ate reclining on couches during that time period - don't remember the author's name.

Thanks. Did the Jews actually "recline" while eating? Seems more like a Roman thing to me.
I'm not really seeking an answer. Just throwing out an observation of mine.

 

[Juelrei]

What many Christians fail to note is verse 37. The disciples asked what happened to the missing people, and Jesus basically says that they're dead, and their bodies are being eaten by the fowls of the air (or vultures) as the footnote in my original King James Bible says.

Several verses before, Jesus refers to Sodom and Gomorrah. So yes, I believe Jesus' reference to 2 men in a bed could reflect our present day and age. And no, there is no pre-tribulation rapture, unless Jesus was lying in Matthew 24:29-30, when he said he would return after tribulations.

Thanks. I didn't ask for anyone's opinion on the rapture.

 

[Alithis]

Reading this thread made me laugh so hard I couldn't stop. The idea of anything perverse is so ludicrous....but the natural man can see no other explanation.

Also I don't agree with the word "men" being interpreted to "people", because we'd have to do the same in the next verse which speaks of two women grinding. Would you interpret "women" to mean "people"?

My thinking is that two men in one bed, two women grinding, and two in the field, describes servants of Christ and their activities, which are interpreted spiritually. In bed suggests slumber and sleep, while the others are laboring, yet still one was taken and the other left.

I find this teaching to be similar to the one where Jesus says not all who say Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but in this case those not taken succumbed to end times persecution.

you do raise valid points also ..
i realize we are not allowing much for cultural differences . our western mindset dictates that if two men are in the same bed ..its probably sexual.. which is crazy ...i think that would just be an favoring the worse possible assumption ..which we, due to the world we live in, are prone to do . but to assume the worded scenario has got anything to do with the justification of homosexuality is just way out of the park .
personally i'm just being weary of anyone trying to sneak that thinking in .

 

[Juelrei]

Reading this thread made me laugh so hard I couldn't stop. The idea of anything perverse is so ludicrous....but the natural man can see no other explanation.

Also I don't agree with the word "men" being interpreted to "people", because we'd have to do the same in the next verse which speaks of two women grinding. Would you interpret "women" to mean "people"?

My thinking is that two men in one bed, two women grinding, and two in the field, describes servants of Christ and their activities, which are interpreted spiritually. In bed suggests slumber and sleep, while the others are laboring, yet still one was taken and the other left.

I find this teaching to be similar to the one where Jesus says not all who say Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but in this case those not taken succumbed to end times persecution.

Thanks. The answer is getting some distance away from my question.

 

[Bobinator]

You put a question mark after the word "rapture". Your original question lacked clarity.

 

[Free at Calvary]

Hi Juelrei, you're right. In response to your question....

Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Jesus speaks of the day in which we'll be raptured, and not the actual event. He tells us what his coming will be like, and the things that will precede it.

 

[Viren]

What many Christians fail to note is verse 37. The disciples asked what happened to the missing people, and Jesus basically says that they're dead, and their bodies are being eaten by the fowls of the air (or vultures) as the footnote in my original King James Bible says.

The disciples asked where and Jesus said "where there is a dead body the vultures will gather"

He never mentioned people being eaten only a body.

 

[dayhiker]

two in a bed ...

Its only in our time of so much wealth that we have enough bedrooms and beds that we sleep alone much of the time. Go back 100 years and people often crowded into a bed to stay warm as there were no heated homes. There is a museum where I grew up that has an replica of an 1820 lumber camp. There was one bed and 18 men slept in that one long bed. The bedding was fir bows that went from one end of the building to the other.
So I think reading anything sexual into those verses is saying something that the Bible isn't even considering.

 

[Juelrei]

You put a question mark after the word "rapture". Your original question lacked clarity.

My mistake. The topic of the rapture was in general, my question was about whether two men slept in a bed.