The question is in what is the relevance?
Ro 4:11 And he received the
sign of circumcision, a
seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
No see the above. Paul taught according to the law. Abraham circumcised his entire household, not just his natural sons. It was a sign and seal of his faith to be made a father to
many nations not just one. which faith Abraham had while he was yet uncircumcised.
The Sinai covenant cannot abolish the promises, of the covenant which came before.
All the law is fulfilled in Christ. All Abraham's household was circumcised, a sign, a symbol of Gods promise to Abraham concerning many nations.
Which law you can hear through Paul.
Two covenants with promise given Abraham, which circumcision is an outward symbol of all the promises.
No it cannot be changed, for the law from Sinai, cannot disanull the covenant promise of which it is a symbol of. Nor can it make void Abraham's faith
Again the covenant made to Abraham concerning many nations is the law. The Sinai covenant 430 later CANNOT DISANULL or MAKE VOID!
The covenant of circumcision contains promises apart from the law of Moses. As they were before Moses.
Joh 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers
and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
Two covenants right there in the above verse. One has priority.
Sign of the covenant to Abraham, the other the sign of the covenant to Moses.
Consider Passover and the feast of it, unleavened bread. Both of which belong to the covenant made to Abraham concerning the fourth generation of his seed (natural as Isaac). Circumcision of the flesh therefore was required.
What is the relevance? Does God know what He is doing? Is the question; is there a contest between Paul and God?
Romans 4:11 (NKJV)
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which
he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,
Had Jesus said this it would only be true if it was confirmed by the OT, which of course it cannot be. God does not impute righteousness.
The first half of this seems to be reasonable; Abraham was not circumcised when He received circumcision but as for the rest I do not think so. The possibilities are the translators didn't get it right.
Romans 4:11 (NKJV)
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which
he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,
Had Jesus said this it would only be true if it was confirmed by the OT, which of course it cannot be. God does not impute righteousness.
The first half of this seems to be reasonable; Abraham was not circumcised when He received circumcision but as for the rest I do not think so. The possibilities are the translators didn't get it right.
Does any o these verses suggest that righteousness is imputed or by vicarious substitution:
Matthew 3:15 (NKJV)
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, "Permit
it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he allowed Him.
Matthew 5:6 (NKJV)
6 Blessed
are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, For they shall be filled.
Matthew 5:10 (NKJV)
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:20 (NKJV)
20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds
the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 6:1 (NKJV)
1 "Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven.
Matthew 6:33 (NKJV)
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
Matthew 21:32 (RSV)
32 For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the harlots believed him; and even when you saw it, you did not afterward repent and believe him.
Luke 1:74-75 (NKJV)
74 To grant us that we, Being delivered from the hand of our enemies, Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.
John 16:7-13 (NKJV)
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;
11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
12 I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear
them now.
13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own
authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
There is more to circumcision than you seem to realise.
Exodus 4:26 (NKJV)
26 So He let him go. Then she said, "
You are a husband of blood!"--because of the circumcision.
Genesis 17:14 (NKJV)
14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."
Does any of these verses suggest that righteousness is imputed or by vicarious substitution:
Matthew 3:15 (NKJV)
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, "Permit
it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he allowed Him.
Matthew 5:6 (NKJV)
6 Blessed
are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, For they shall be filled.
Matthew 5:10 (NKJV)
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:20 (NKJV)
20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds
the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 6:1 (NKJV)
1 "Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven.
Matthew 6:33 (NKJV)
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
Matthew 21:32 (RSV)
32 For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the harlots believed him; and even when you saw it, you did not afterward repent and believe him.
Luke 1:74-75 (NKJV)
74 To grant us that we, Being delivered from the hand of our enemies, Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.
John 16:7-13 (NKJV)
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;
11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
12 I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear
them now.
13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own
authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
There is more to circumcision than you seem to realise.
Exodus 4:26 (NKJV)
26 So He let him go. Then she said, "
You are a husband of blood!"--because of the circumcision.
Genesis 17:14 (NKJV)
14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."
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I do not see anything wrong with this statement, but I suspect I would disagree with the context in which you say it. Why then does the New covenant, still made with Israel, annul at least one of those two covenants.
