two covenants

[Gup20]

Did Paul the son of a Pharisee say that "Circumcision on the 8th day" is irrelevant?

yes. That is correct. Circumcision of the flesh is irrelevant.

1 Corinthians 7:19 (NASB)
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

Galatians 5:2 (NASB)
Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.

Galatians 5:6 (NASB)
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

Galatians 6:15 (NASB)
For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

Philippians 3:3 (NASB)
for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,

Colossians 2:11 (NASB)
and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;

 

[Mercy74]

yes. That is correct. Circumcision of the flesh is irrelevant.

1 Corinthians 7:19 (NASB)
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

Galatians 5:2 (NASB)
Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.

Galatians 5:6 (NASB)
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

Galatians 6:15 (NASB)
For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

Philippians 3:3 (NASB)
for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,

Colossians 2:11 (NASB)
and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;

Circumcision on the 8th day is a command of G-d NOT circumcision! You must not attempt to CONTAIN the law in ordinances. You must quote the law of circumcision in its entirety. Just performing circumcision whenever you feel like it is not a holy commandment. Paul the Pharisee understood the importance of keeping the law perfectly; circumcision on the 8th day (Phillippians 3:5-6)

 

[Gup20]

Circumcision on the 8th day is a command of G-d NOT circumcision! You must not attempt to CONTAIN the law in ordinances. You must quote the law of circumcision in its entirety. Just performing circumcision whenever you feel like it is not a holy commandment. Paul the Pharisee understood the importance of keeping the law perfectly; circumcision on the 8th day (Phillippians 3:5-6)

Deuteronomy 30:6 (NASB) "Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.​

Would you stand in judgement of God if he didn’t circumcise our hearts on the 8th day?

Ephesians 1:13-14 (NASB) 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

Romans 4:11 (NASB) and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them,

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Colossians 2:11 (NASB) and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;
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Circumcision was always a foreshadow of the Holy Spirit. If God Himself has given us something better, why would we seek again to establish the older, inferior way on our own?
See Deuteronomy says that God Himself circumcises our hearts now. Do you think your circumcision on the 8th day is sufficient and you don’t need God’s circumcision of the heart?

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Abraham was a gentile when he received the SIGN of circumcision. He has already been credited with righteousness as a gentile and circumcision was a sign that sealed his righteousness.

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According to Ephesians 1, the Holy Spirit in us is now that sign & seal of the righteousness we obtain for faith - just as God prophesied in Deuteronomy 30:6.

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Did you know that 8 days after birth when the baby’s blood clotting factors have just activated and vitamin k is at the highest levels it will ever be in the person to clot blood. God specified the 8th day for our benefit, not for His.

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[Mercy74]

Deuteronomy 30:6 (NASB) "Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.​

Would you stand in judgement of God if he didn’t circumcise our hearts on the 8th day?

Ephesians 1:13-14 (NASB) 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

Romans 4:11 (NASB) and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them,

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Colossians 2:11 (NASB) and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;​

Circumcision was always a foreshadow of the Holy Spirit. If God Himself has given us something better, why would we seek again to establish the older, inferior way on our own?
See Deuteronomy says that God Himself circumcises our hearts now. Do you think your circumcision on the 8th day is sufficient and you don’t need God’s circumcision of the heart?

​

Abraham was a gentile when he received the SIGN of circumcision. He has already been credited with righteousness as a gentile and circumcision was a sign that sealed his righteousness.

​

According to Ephesians 1, the Holy Spirit in us is now that sign & seal of the righteousness we obtain for faith - just as God prophesied in Deuteronomy 30:6.

​

Did you know that 8 days after birth when the baby’s blood clotting factors have just activated and vitamin k is at the highest levels it will ever be in the person to clot blood. God specified the 8th day for our benefit, not for His.

​

Circumcision on the 8th day apply to circumcision on the 8th day in the flesh not the heart. You seek to confuse concepts that are easily understood with a humble and contrite heart. Those who seek to honor Torah law will hear my words.

 

[Gup20]

Circumcision on the 8th day apply to circumcision on the 8th day in the flesh not the heart. You seek to confuse concepts that are easily understood with a humble and contrite heart. Those who seek to honor Torah law will hear my words.

[Gal 4:21-31 NASB] 21 Tell me, you who want to be under law (Torah), do you not listen to the law (Torah)? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 This is allegorically speaking, for these [women] are two covenants: one [proceeding] from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. 27 For it is written, "REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR; BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR; FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND." 28 And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him [who was born] according to the Spirit, so it is now also. 30 But what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN." 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

 

[Mercy74]

[Gal 4:21-31 NASB] 21 Tell me, you who want to be under law (Torah), do you not listen to the law (Torah)? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 This is allegorically speaking, for these [women] are two covenants: one [proceeding] from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. 27 For it is written, "REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR; BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR; FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND." 28 And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him [who was born] according to the Spirit, so it is now also. 30 But what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN." 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

The son of Sarah (Isaac) was circumcised on the 8th day; son of the free woman. Ishmael was not circumcised on the 8th day; son of the slave woman. It is disappointing you do not understand what Paul the son of a Pharisee is saying.

 

[Gup20]

The son of Sarah (Isaac) was circumcised on the 8th day; son of the free woman. Ishmael was not circumcised on the 8th day; son of the slave woman. It is disappointing you do not understand what Paul the son of a Pharisee is saying.

I'm saying Abraham was not circumcised on the 8th day, but he was made righteous for his faith, nonetheless... just as all uncircumcised Gentiles who believe would be made righteous without the need for circumcision.

[Rom 4:8-13 NASB] 8 "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT." 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.​

There is no ambiguity. He was made righteous WHILE UNCIRCUMCISED. Circumcision is NOT necessary for righteousness through faith. Circumcision is only necessary for those seeking to confirm their righteousness through The Law.

 

[Mercy74]

I'm saying Abraham was not circumcised on the 8th day, but he was made righteous for his faith, nonetheless... just as all uncircumcised Gentiles who believe would be made righteous without the need for circumcision.

[Rom 4:8-13 NASB] 8 "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT." 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.​

There is no ambiguity. He was made righteous WHILE UNCIRCUMCISED. Circumcision is NOT necessary for righteousness through faith. Circumcision is only necessary for those seeking to confirm their righteousness through The Law.

Abraham was CREDITED with righteousness because of his faith, however he received the sign of circumcision a seal of righteousness FROM HIS FAITH. Abraham did not teach against circumcision as you do. In fact he circumcised every male in his household including his servants. Abraham did not tell the men in his house "you don't have to be circumcised" or "you can become righteous without being circumcised". YHWH forknew that Abraham would honor Torah law, so Abraham could be CREDITED with righteousness. If you teach against the holy commandment you shall not be CREDITED with righteousness as Abraham. If you were a son of Abraham you would do the WORKS from Abraham.

 

[pinacled]

Abraham was CREDITED with righteousness because of his faith, however he received the sign of circumcision a seal of righteousness FROM HIS FAITH. Abraham did not teach against circumcision as you do. In fact he circumcised every male in his household including his servants. Abraham did not tell the men in his house "you don't have to be circumcised" or "you can become righteous without being circumcised". YHWH forknew that Abraham would honor Torah law, so Abraham could be CREDITED with righteousness. If you teach against the holy commandment you shall not be CREDITED with righteousness as Abraham. If you were a son of Abraham you would do the WORKS from Abraham.

The Torah(law) of spirit given Avraham is The new name given by The Most High.

While circumcision of the flesh is a memorial to all of such an house of promises to come.
Just as Yeshua(Jesus) has said.

What yom(day) a male is born from his mothers womb is accounted till the eight yom. Even if a that eight Yom is upon shabbat , circumcision is precedent.

Blessings Always.

 

[ralliann]

Circumcision on the 8th day apply to circumcision on the 8th day in the flesh not the heart. You seek to confuse concepts that are easily understood with a humble and contrite heart. Those who seek to honor Torah law will hear my words.

When do you suppose God circumcised Abraham's heart?

 

[pescador]

Abraham was CREDITED with righteousness because of his faith, however he received the sign of circumcision a seal of righteousness FROM HIS FAITH. Abraham did not teach against circumcision as you do. In fact he circumcised every male in his household including his servants. Abraham did not tell the men in his house "you don't have to be circumcised" or "you can become righteous without being circumcised". YHWH forknew that Abraham would honor Torah law, so Abraham could be CREDITED with righteousness. If you teach against the holy commandment you shall not be CREDITED with righteousness as Abraham. If you were a son of Abraham you would do the WORKS from Abraham.

If you read the New Testament you will see that circumcision is irrelevant. It was required under the Mosaic law, but Christians are not under the Mosaic law but under grace. Paul wrote to the church in Corinth, "This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing."

 

[pinacled]

If you read the New Testament you will see that circumcision is irrelevant. It was required under the Mosaic law, but Christians are not under the Mosaic law but under grace. Paul wrote to the church in Corinth, "This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing."

In The Torah of Spirit,
circumcision on the eight Yom is very much relevant in raising a son in the way of The Lord..
What ole sh'aul is referring to is that there is no such obligation to do so for adults.

Three times a yr are sons required.
One such time is the eighth Yom shemini atzeret.

Ask in the spirit for a moment what it means to, "give a portion to 7 and 8..

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

When do you suppose God circumcised Abraham's heart?

Shabbat...?

 

[Gup20]

[Deu 30:6 NASB] 6 "Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.​

According to the law of Moses, circumcision in the flesh has always been intended to be replaced by circumcision of the heart. The question for the Jew would be "has this change occurred." I believe yes.

[Rom 2:28-29 NASB] 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

[Rom 4:9-13 NASB] 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

[Eph 1:13-14 NASB] 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of [God's own] possession, to the praise of His glory.​

It looks like God has indeed done what He said in Deuteronomy 30:6 and changed circumcision to the heart, rather than the flesh (as was always foretold, even in the law).

 

[sparow]

The Torah(law) of spirit given Avraham is The new name given by The Most High.

While circumcision of the flesh is a memorial to all of such an house of promises to come.
Just as Yeshua(Jesus) has said.

What yom(day) a male is born from his mothers womb is accounted till the eight yom. Even if a that eight Yom is upon shabbat , circumcision is precedent.

Blessings Always.

There is a lot of wrong thinking in all of this. Circumcision was never to do with righteousness; circumcision is to do with sanctification; is to do with being set apart. Admittedly, circumcision does not make one Holy, but it is a beginning; one cannot be Holy unless one is first separated from the world; and this is a problem because most religious people could not be a more attached to the world if they tried.

That Jesus said, "Circumcision is a memorial..."' I cannot find where Jesus has said that or or anything like it, even in the Law and the Prophets.

 

[sparow]

If you read the New Testament you will see that circumcision is irrelevant. It was required under the Mosaic law, but Christians are not under the Mosaic law but under grace. Paul wrote to the church in Corinth, "This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing."

I have read the NT and I have not found circumcision irrelevant and the same arguments could be used to support the keeping circumcision as are used regarding the keeping of the Law and the Sabbath; I have to admit that I have encountered anyone advocating circumcision in this sense.


Circumcision was a prequisite to the covenant, one could not be included in the covenant without circumcision; one could not be counted in the twelve tribes if not circumcised. If we consider the Law to be the first four books of the “Law and the Prophets”, then circumcision is a part of what cannot be changed.


Luke 16:16-17 (RSV)
16 "The law and the prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and every one enters it violently.
17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the law to become void.


Just because the the Kingdom is preached more so than the Law, does not mean the Law is irrelevant, be cause Jesus preached also the Law.


Matthew 7:23 (NKJV)
23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'


Matthew 13:41 (NKJV)
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,


Matthew 23:31 (NKJV)
31 Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.


Isaiah 33:14-15 (NKJV)
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; Fearfulness has seized the hypocrites: "Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?"
15 He who walks righteously and speaks uprightly, He who despises the gain of oppressions, Who gestures with his hands, refusing bribes, Who stops his ears from hearing of bloodshed, And shuts his eyes from seeing evil:

Isaiah 28:16-18 (NKJV)
16 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation, A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; Whoever believes will not act hastily.
17 Also I will make justice the measuring line, And righteousness the plummet; The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, And the waters will overflow the hiding place.

18 Your covenant with death will be annulled, And your agreement with Sheol will not stand; When the overflowing scourge passes through, Then you will be trampled down by it.


These kind of studies studies make me feel uneasy. The return of Christ could be as close as seven years which would mean a lot worse than covid 19 is ahead in our time.


1 Corinthians 7:18-20 (NKJV)
18 Was anyone called while circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Was anyone called while uncircumcised? Let him not be circumcised.
19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
20 Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called.

We should note that Jesus could not change the Law. The Law is the rock foundation, if the Law could be changed it would not be rock, the Law would be sand. If the Law could be changed Christ would have no credentials or identity, that would distinguish Him from the evil one who has presumed to have changed the Law.

Had Paul been introduced by way of prophesy; for example: Luke 16:16-17 (RSV)
16 "The law and the prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and every one enters it violently.
17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the law to become void; UNLESS ONE GREATER THAN I DID IT, CALLED PAUL.



I do not judge Paul the person; he is not my business; I could say I never knew him; but as the Lord liveth, for whatever reason, the epistle stinks.

 

[Gup20]

Circumcision was a prequisite to the covenant, one could not be included in the covenant without circumcision;

I agree wholeheartedly with you. This is why The Law says:

[Deu 30:6 NASB] 6 "Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.​

God intended at some future time from Moses to include people in Abraham's covenant by "circumcision of the heart." We can see this plainly in Genesis 17:

[Gen 17:4-10 NASB] 4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, And you will be the father of a multitude of nations. 5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations. 6 "I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you. 7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. 8 "I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." 9 God said further to Abraham, "Now as for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. 10 "This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised.​

If God has chosen to raise up adopted descendants to Abraham from the many nations as He promised Abraham to do in the covenant of circumcision by circumcising their heart, who are we to argue with God?

[Isa 54:1 NASB] 1 "Shout for joy, O barren one, you who have borne no [child;] Break forth into joyful shouting and cry aloud, you who have not travailed; For the sons of the desolate one [will be] more numerous Than the sons of the married woman," says the LORD.​

The adopted children of the promise will outnumber the biological children of the promise. In fact, we should celebrate the fact that God has adopted Gentiles who, like Abraham was when he was made righteous in Genesis 15, are uncircumcised Gentiles, because it fulfills part of the promise that guarantees that Jews will forever posses the land of Canaan. If we can definitively say God is keeping the part of the covenant for Abraham to adopt people from many nations into this covenant (through circumcision of the heart), then we can say definitively that God is fulfilling his promise to make the land of Israel an everlasting possession as well!

 

[pinacled]

There is a lot of wrong thinking in all of this. Circumcision was never to do with righteousness; circumcision is to do with sanctification; is to do with being set apart. Admittedly, circumcision does not make one Holy, but it is a beginning; one cannot be Holy unless one is first separated from the world; and this is a problem because most religious people could not be a more attached to the world if they tried.

That Jesus said, "Circumcision is a memorial..."' I cannot find where Jesus has said that or or anything like it, even in the Law and the Prophets.

John 8:48-59

 

[pescador]

I have read the NT and I have not found circumcision irrelevant and the same arguments could be used to support the keeping circumcision as are used regarding the keeping of the Law and the Sabbath; I have to admit that I have encountered anyone advocating circumcision in this sense.


Circumcision was a prequisite to the covenant, one could not be included in the covenant without circumcision; one could not be counted in the twelve tribes if not circumcised. If we consider the Law to be the first four books of the “Law and the Prophets”, then circumcision is a part of what cannot be changed.


Luke 16:16-17 (RSV)
16 "The law and the prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and every one enters it violently.
17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the law to become void.


Just because the the Kingdom is preached more so than the Law, does not mean the Law is irrelevant, be cause Jesus preached also the Law.


Matthew 7:23 (NKJV)
23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'


Matthew 13:41 (NKJV)
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,


Matthew 23:31 (NKJV)
31 Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.


Isaiah 33:14-15 (NKJV)
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; Fearfulness has seized the hypocrites: "Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?"
15 He who walks righteously and speaks uprightly, He who despises the gain of oppressions, Who gestures with his hands, refusing bribes, Who stops his ears from hearing of bloodshed, And shuts his eyes from seeing evil:

Isaiah 28:16-18 (NKJV)
16 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation, A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; Whoever believes will not act hastily.
17 Also I will make justice the measuring line, And righteousness the plummet; The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, And the waters will overflow the hiding place.

18 Your covenant with death will be annulled, And your agreement with Sheol will not stand; When the overflowing scourge passes through, Then you will be trampled down by it.


These kind of studies studies make me feel uneasy. The return of Christ could be as close as seven years which would mean a lot worse than covid 19 is ahead in our time.


1 Corinthians 7:18-20 (NKJV)
18 Was anyone called while circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Was anyone called while uncircumcised? Let him not be circumcised.
19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
20 Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called.

We should note that Jesus could not change the Law. The Law is the rock foundation, if the Law could be changed it would not be rock, the Law would be sand. If the Law could be changed Christ would have no credentials or identity, that would distinguish Him from the evil one who has presumed to have changed the Law.

Had Paul been introduced by way of prophesy; for example: Luke 16:16-17 (RSV)
16 "The law and the prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and every one enters it violently.
17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the law to become void; UNLESS ONE GREATER THAN I DID IT, CALLED PAUL.



I do not judge Paul the person; he is not my business; I could say I never knew him; but as the Lord liveth, for whatever reason, the epistle stinks.

The epistle -- a part of Scripture -- stinks? That's a heretical comment about the Word of God! Is that really what you meant to say?

Luke 16, part of the Scripture that you quoted, it says, "The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached." The New Covenant has come, making the former covenant void. What is so hard to understand about that?

 

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There is a lot of wrong thinking in all of this. Circumcision was never to do with righteousness; circumcision is to do with sanctification; is to do with being set apart. Admittedly, circumcision does not make one Holy, but it is a beginning; one cannot be Holy unless one is first separated from the world; and this is a problem because most religious people could not be a more attached to the world if they tried.

That Jesus said, "Circumcision is a memorial..."' I cannot find where Jesus has said that or or anything like it, even in the Law and the Prophets.