Ok, so Jesus hands over the saints which results in them being beheaded.
Jesus said in Matthew 28:20 I am with you always. If your view is that Jesus remains spiritually but only physically hands the saints over for the 42 months, then would you say currently Jesus is both spiritually and physically with believers? How is it we have had martyrs through out time?
No they are not saints until after they are beheaded. That is the whole point. Jesus does not hand them over to anyone. They turn to God by being beheaded.
The point is that the soul leaves Adam's dead flesh behind so the soul can be saved, not the body.
They are given a new body after Armageddon.
They are beheaded before Armageddon, and judged after Armageddon.
The saints are the sheep and wheat redeemed and they are waiting on the sea of glass until they return at Armageddon with Jesus. The only people on earth are those with the mark and those beheaded.
Martyrs are humans who have the second birth who refuse to recant that second birth when forced by human government. The humans kill them for their faith, because that faith goes against the state.
These souls who are beheaded, are not saints until after the soul leaves Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Only two types of people those with the mark, and those without a head. The decision is between taking the mark and not having a head any more. If one has the mark, it is too late. Chopping their head off does not remove the mark, it just kills them. We are not told that every one receives the mark instantly and at the same time. Obviously it is a choice a soul makes to choose God or to choose Satan.
There is no verse that states people go around killing those without the mark. Satan can kill those who refuse to worship him if they have a mark or not. Being killed by Satan is not going to make you a Saint. If you are killed, already with the mark, because you changed your mind, you just end up in the LOF any way.
Jesus is only with believers any way, even today. Why would that promise be with the unsaved? The Holy Spirit is constantly with the lost reminding them they need salvation. But they are not part of God's family until they accept the second birth.
That is the point of being beheaded in Satan's 42 months. That is the action of the second birth, but still all you get is a permanent incorruptible physical body, and a chance to live again during the Millennium. That is the basic definition of a saint, at least from Scripture. They are elect, because their name was put in the Lamb's book of life by God, as being covered by the blood of the Lamb. Their names were not removed, because they chose to remove their head as a testimony, to remain in the Lamb's book of life. Those with the mark are no longer elect, because their names have been removed.
The term elect covers the entire human family descended from Adam and Eve from Seth. The redeemed, born into God's family via the second birth is the next largest group from humanity. The smallest group are those Second Coming firstfruits who subdue the earth for 1,000 years. They will then create another innumerable group of humans on earth without sin. Minus those who once again are allowed the influence of Satan's deception. So even those after the Millennium still have the freedom of choice to follow Satan or God.
Those in sheol are still in the Lamb's book of life, until the GWT. That is the largest group of humanity by far, who will more than likely still reject God to His Face at the GWT judgment. They ended up in sheol before the 7th Seal opened the book. They obviously don't have the mark of the beast in sheol. Nor are they still in Adam's dead corruptible flesh as far as we know. But that is the last chance to receive eternal life. That is why it is phrased "they lived not again". That is a negative connotation. They will not automatically live again. They have to choose life, or reject God. Then they, like those beheaded, will be judged and given permanent incorruptible physical bodies like those beheaded.
Those beheaded never lived as saved in Adam's dead flesh. Same with those in sheol. Both had to shed Adam's dead corruptible flesh to enjoy eternal life though. Those beheaded were that way by testimony of giving up Adam's dead corruptible flesh. They lived again. Those still in sheol had to wait for the thousand years to be over to submit to God and live again. But not automatically. Only by choice. That is just going by how John compared them in Revelation 20. No other section of Revelation declares why they were beheaded. And they were not called martyrs either symbolically nor literally. The beheading was their testimony of becoming a saint. Not a means to force them to deny being a saint. If they had accepted the second birth, they would not even still be on earth at that point, contrary to what the majority of the church is falsely teaching today. There are no post saints after these 42 months avoiding a beheading. The only 2 humans alive at the end are the two witnesses, who are killed by Satan.
Another false teaching that billions of the church will survive and lie dead in Jerusalem for 3 days. By what means are billions of humans gathered and stuffed into Jerusalem at the last minute? Not enough room in Jerusalem for that. Then to have billions of bodies all get up and ascend into heaven after 3 days? That is not a rapture nor second coming. Not even the two witnesses are alive and remain. They were completely dead for 3.5 days.
What is the symbolism of how they were killed, and why specifically at a certain point, and for a specific period of time? At that point all others have been beheaded. The 2 witnesses were not beheaded. Nor will their souls stand in judgment. They had the same bodies come back to life. That does not even make sense for those who claim souls come to earth to claim a dead body. The souls of those 2 witnesses were just as dead as their bodies. They were literally dead for 3.5 days, the soul never went anywhere. They were supposed to be dead, not just appear as dead. Even those with the mark praised God, when they came back to life. It did not help their case. They all would die within hours at Armageddon any way.
"And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and
great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the
remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Those beheaded made that choice during the same 42 months the two witnesses were preaching. Who do you think the converts were of these two literal humans? The alter call was being beheaded. That was the testimony of redemption. The whole reason why there were 2 witnesses at this time was to harvest those souls, and the means of harvest was chopping off their heads. That is why they were not martyrs, nor saints until after they stood in judgment.
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands."
The rest of the dead were not those with the mark. The rest of the dead were those in sheol waiting there since before the Flood of Noah's day. Those souls waiting to stand in judgment at the GWT to see if they remain in the Lamb's book of life or their names removed. That is in contrast to those beheaded who made the choice to remain in the Lamb's book of life but cut off their head, as all must leave Adam's dead corruptible flesh to obtain eternal life. So Jesus is with them as saints during the 1,000 years after they stood in judgment.
And no, this is not being overly dramatic that beheading is literal as opposed to spiritual. The point is that these people have to leave Adam's dead corruptible flesh behind, and they are described as souls until given a physical body. But they certainly are not the church glorified. They live on earth, and we are not told if those on earth are ever glorified or not. They at the least, don't end up in the LOF.
