trying to separate my soul from my body...

[robahern]

I will explain; so I have read extensively about Out of Body Experiences, also called "astral projection" or "spirit walking". Its pretty much going into a state where you can separate your physical body form your soul.

what do you think? do think this is some sort of evil? i think its cool, but i dont know what people think of it.

wikipedia says:
Out-of-body Experience.


Out-of-Body Experience (OBE or sometimes OOBE), is an experience that typically involves a sensation of floating outside of one's body...

In some cases the phenomenon appears to occur spontaneously; in others it is associated with a physical or mental trauma, use of psychedelic drugs, dissociative drugs, or a dream-like state. Many techniques aiming to induce the experience deliberately have been developed, for example visualization while in a relaxed, meditative state."

Some of those who experience OBEs claimed to have willed themselves out of their bodies, while others report having found themselves being pulled from their bodies (usually preceded by a feeling of paralysis). In other accounts, the feeling of being outside the body was suddenly realized after the fact, and the experiencers saw their own bodies almost by accident.

Ways of entering the state: by accident or through sleep, via deep trance, meditation or visualization. The types of visualizations vary; some common imageries used include climbing a rope to "pull out" of one's body, floating out of one's body, getting shot out of a cannon, and other similar approaches. This technique is considered hard to use for people who cannot properly relax. One example of such a technique is the popular Golden Dawn "Body of Light" Technique.


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Ok so know you know a little about it, what do you think? is this bad or good? has anyone done it? do you know of anyone who has done it.

 

[mercyreigns]

Yeah it's bad. All you get in contact with is demons.

I tried it many years ago, long before I became a christian, it didn't usually work, then one night when I was falling asleep, to my horror, I found myself being 'pulled out' of my body against my will. It only lasted a few seconds and I woke up intact. I can only think that God protected me, even though I didn't follow Him at that time.

 

[Stephanie in TN]

This is a counterfeit of the enemy. Anything that God does or has done, the enemy tries to duplicate. You can read about Paul saying, "wheather in the body or out of the body, I don't know..." as he describes a vision the Lord showed him. There are also many examples of other prophets in the OT having similiar experiences.

The purpose of the experience is for the Lord, Himself, to reveal truth to the body of Christ. He says, "do I do anything without telling my prophets first?" The prophets are gifted by the Holy Spirit to receive words or visions and to use them to encourage, edify, and build up the body. Although, a christian does not have to have the gift of prophecy for the Lord to use them this way and give them words or visions. BUT...if a person often experiences these things, most likely they have the gift of prophecy.

Why would you want to have an out of body experience without the Lord causing it? In order for 'you' to cause it, you must agree with your enemy and somehow allow him access. Why would anyone do that? The enemy plays dirty. You will probably suffer mental torment afterwards and be in a long battle to regain your rightful domain. Does that make sense? If the LORD isn't doing it, stay away. You should not try to do this on your own. Ask the LORD for this experience if you really feel you would like it. Who knows, your Father may indulge you. Ezekiel writes that he was snatched up to heaven by the hair of his head to receive a vision!

If you would like the gift of prophecy, ask the Lord for it. It is the one gift listed in Cor. that we should eagerly desire! SO, go for it!

HTH,
Stephanie

 

[JWNEWMAN]

I've had this experience many times. Sometimes by accident sometimes self induced. The problem lies in focus. Our focus is to be on God as center. This practice can take you far from your center and lead you into some truly terrifying experiences. I can't recommend it. After much consideration on the topic. I believe meditation on God's word and reflecting His light from within thus experiencing and or attuning ourselves to fellowship with the Spirit within us to be the ultimate journey. One that satiates, comforts, directs, guides, brings us peace and even physical healings, etc.

The other can be enthralling. But my recommendation is to meditate deeply on God. God can and sometimes does take people on journeys in the spiritual realm and shows them things. Venturing out without His sanction or oversight isn't something I'd recommend.

 

[Prophet Daniel]

Well, I have done this along time ago when I was in my late teens. I was into the martial arts then and use to meditate alot, then one day it happened to me twice in a row. Now when I look back on it, this is a bad thing to do, because doing it this way isn't from God, but there are instances in the Bible when it was done by one of the Apostles with John in the book of Revelations. This was a good one because this is from God and He instituted it. When I did it back then I wasn't serving God, but was into other things that I shouldn't have been into.

Hope this helps.

In His Service,

 

[Daral]

It sounds like the whole OOBE thing is pretty ambiguous; many people describe many different experiences through different means, and they all fall under the same umbrella of "OOBE". Even in the bible, there doesn't appear to be any standard pattern for what an OOBE looks like; sometimes it involves going to heaven directly (Rev 4), sometimes it involves moving from one place on earth to another, but not necessarily in a material fashion (Ezekiel), sometimes it's left pretty unexplained (Isa 6, 2 Cor 12). Where is the line between OOBE and a vision? It's very hard to tell, because like Paul says, he didn't know if he was in body or out of body; that means (and I would agree) it is very difficult to determine if one is in-body during an experience or out-body. The same experience could often be either an in-body vision or an out-body spiritual experience, and it takes considerable discernment to figure out which.

With all that said, I'm not aware of any bible verses that speak against seeking OOBEs. In fact, since the very term OOBE came from 2 Cor 12, in certain conditions OOBEs are clearly biblical. I would agree with others that witchcraft should be avoided, but witchcraft = rebellion. If you're walking in the will of God and following his voice, then I personally don't see anything wrong with persuing what is, in essence, a spiritual experience.

Maybe I should also add, to what purpose is one seeking an OOBE? I think the answer to that question speaks a lot about whether the resultant experience would be in God's will or not.

Of course, if you aren't walking in God's will and you're in rebellion, then an OOBE would probably not be good. But even then, God has a history of giving visions to evil men, to turn them from evil, so I bet it's possible for evil men to have OOBEs from God. Just my opinion.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

It sounds like the whole OOBE thing is pretty ambiguous; many people describe many different experiences through different means, and they all fall under the same umbrella of "OOBE". Even in the bible, there doesn't appear to be any standard pattern for what an OOBE looks like; sometimes it involves going to heaven directly (Rev 4), sometimes it involves moving from one place on earth to another, but not necessarily in a material fashion (Ezekiel), sometimes it's left pretty unexplained (Isa 6, 2 Cor 12). Where is the line between OOBE and a vision? It's very hard to tell, because like Paul says, he didn't know if he was in body or out of body; that means (and I would agree) it is very difficult to determine if one is in-body during an experience or out-body. The same experience could often be either an in-body vision or an out-body spiritual experience, and it takes considerable discernment to figure out which.

With all that said, I'm not aware of any bible verses that speak against seeking OOBEs. In fact, since the very term OOBE came from 2 Cor 12, in certain conditions OOBEs are clearly biblical. I would agree with others that witchcraft should be avoided, but witchcraft = rebellion. If you're walking in the will of God and following his voice, then I personally don't see anything wrong with persuiting what is, in essence, a spiritual experience.

Maybe I should also add, to what purpose is one seeking an OOBE? I think the answer to that question speaks a lot about whether the resultant experience would be in God's will or not.

Of course, if you aren't walking in God's will and you're in rebellion, then an OOBE would probably not be good. But even then, God has a history of giving visions to evil men, to turn them from evil, so I bet it's possible for evil men to have OOBEs from God. Just my opinion.

Seek God and, ask God for the experiences in this area He desires you to have. OBE are of a spiritual nature. OBC (out of body creatures) can be your enemy who, can appear as an angel of light. Many false religions are started this way Seventh Day, Mormons, Muslim, and many false teachers arise with weird explanations and false prophecies, Copeland, Benny Hinn, Kim Clement, and a host of others.

OBE's self induced is like a drug, a powerful, powerful, drug. You could liken them to acid or LSD. There is a 'mechanism' in the brain one can trigger to cause these experiences. This can also become problematic and one can begin to experience waking hallucinations, voices, sounds, lights, apparitions, and all sorts of phenomenon not widely reported which, non the less occur routinely. Not the least problem some experience is possession by demonic spirits. The latter I've witnessed twice once with a so-called "white witch" and once with a person practicing transcendental meditation.

I spent several years practicing deep states of meditation and had many out of body experiences. My conclusion is seek God seek to experience Him and He will reward you with wisdom, understanding and open your eyes regarding dreams and visions and other such things. Seeking a vision for a visions sake is wrong. Scripture reports God giving or visiting people with visions and dreams, or, people experiencing such things as they seek God. However, it does not in anyway (so far as I read) support the notion of seeking to induce these things.

We are told to seek spiritual gifts. However, the ability to self induced OBE's is not a spiritual gift. I would put them in the category of Sorcery. The only people I've met who were truly adept at these things turned out either to be 1) possessed 2) eventually got into the occult 3) repented (after realizing the danger) I fall into category 3.

Seek Ye First The Kingdom Of Heaven...

JWN

 

[Nobody1]

I will explain; so I have read extensively about Out of Body Experiences, also called "astral projection" or "spirit walking". Its pretty much going into a state where you can separate your physical body form your soul.

what do you think? do think this is some sort of evil? i think its cool, but i dont know what people think of it.

wikipedia says:
Out-of-body Experience.


Out-of-Body Experience (OBE or sometimes OOBE), is an experience that typically involves a sensation of floating outside of one's body...

In some cases the phenomenon appears to occur spontaneously; in others it is associated with a physical or mental trauma, use of psychedelic drugs, dissociative drugs, or a dream-like state. Many techniques aiming to induce the experience deliberately have been developed, for example visualization while in a relaxed, meditative state."

Some of those who experience OBEs claimed to have willed themselves out of their bodies, while others report having found themselves being pulled from their bodies (usually preceded by a feeling of paralysis). In other accounts, the feeling of being outside the body was suddenly realized after the fact, and the experiencers saw their own bodies almost by accident.

Ways of entering the state: by accident or through sleep, via deep trance, meditation or visualization. The types of visualizations vary; some common imageries used include climbing a rope to "pull out" of one's body, floating out of one's body, getting shot out of a cannon, and other similar approaches. This technique is considered hard to use for people who cannot properly relax. One example of such a technique is the popular Golden Dawn "Body of Light" Technique.


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Ok so know you know a little about it, what do you think? is this bad or good? has anyone done it? do you know of anyone who has done it.

People shouldn't try to force anything and they should focus on doing the will of God during their daily lives by living the rules Jesus put to us.

God is not "out there" or "up there", He is in our hearts and on our lips... and going "out" to try and seek God just makes people forget what is important: Kingdom of God in our hearts.

We have enough with friends, food, and so forth.

God is not "in them", but in our hearts, and through a clean heart we see God...

As for rules and such, there are countless things which can take people away from that. But we are not saved by rules, but by Jesus Christ crucified and His Sanctified Spirit living in us, absolving us from all sins.

This does not mean one can go without punishment: the punishment and correction of God is all powerful.

It is not wrath - for sanctified believers - it is course correction.

 

[FoundInGrace]

its not good
i have had a brush with it when a child and continued to have problems for many years related to this until God intervened and freed me from some things. it's not good
i would pray to God if you are a Christian and ask for forgiveness for doing it and/or seeking it and for even looking into this practice when it is not of God and repent from it.

 

[Nobody1]

its not good
i have had a brush with it when a child and continued to have problems for many years related to this until God intervened and freed me from some things. it's not good
i would pray to God if you are a Christian and ask for forgiveness for doing it and/or seeking it and for even looking into this practice when it is not of God and repent from it.

Did the poster do this? He did not say he did. He was merely asking whether it was "good" or "bad".

My guess is he knows well what the right answer is, but also knows there is a flaw in his answer.

And he just can not figure out what that flaw is.

 

[FoundInGrace]

Did the poster do this? He did not say he did. He was merely asking whether it was "good" or "bad".

My guess is he knows well what the right answer is, but also knows there is a flaw in his answer.

And he just can not figure out what that flaw is.

I restate it is not good, it is evil as it is not of God.
reading the title of the thread.. one could assume from this that the op is looking at trying to get into doing this and experiencing it from the title and may have from the comment 'it is cool'

From my experience it is not a good thing to get into and even the looking into it and researching about it should be repented of before God.

 

[Nobody1]

I restate it is not good, it is evil as it is not of God.
reading the title of the thread.. one could assume from this that the op is looking at trying to get into doing this and experiencing it from the title and may have from the comment 'it is cool'

From my experience it is not a good thing to get into and even the looking into it and researching about it should be repented of before God.

I do not disagree, that is not what I was saying.

I am sorry you got into that in your youth. I would hate for people to do that sort of thing. They could lose their body and find it in Hell.

If people want to travel, they should use their two feet, or a car. Or bus.

Or RV.

I think people should be situated in their homes.

Be happy with being alive.

And not try and wander the earth to escape from God.

 

[robahern]

God is not "out there" or "up there", He is in our hearts and on our lips... and going "out" to try and seek God just makes people forget what is important: Kingdom of God in our hearts.

We have enough with friends, food, and so forth.

God is not "in them", but in our hearts, and through a clean heart we see God...

This is the poster talking,

You totally make sense in this comment, and i will take your advice. I did sort of try to do it but it didnt work and i came to the forum to see what i was trying to do was wrong. I now know how dangerous it can be.

Furthermore, from other research I have conducted on another website, I posted the same question more or less, on an very large art/culture website and there was an overwealming number of accounts of people who claimed they have had OOBE's. Some quite extraordinary, and i can see hoe very dangerous and how spiritually wrong the act is.

I am definately going to wait until i die to delve into that spiritual/angel/heaven area....

im fine with living my own life right now

thankyou everyone!

rob.

 

[Nobody1]

This is the poster talking,

You totally make sense in this comment, and i will take your advice. I did sort of try to do it but it didnt work and i came to the forum to see what i was trying to do was wrong. I now know how dangerous it can be.

Furthermore, from other research I have conducted on another website, I posted the same question more or less, on an very large art/culture website and there was an overwealming number of accounts of people who claimed they have had OOBE's. Some quite extraordinary, and i can see hoe very dangerous and how spiritually wrong the act is.

I am definately going to wait until i die to delve into that spiritual/angel/heaven area....

im fine with living my own life right now

thankyou everyone!

rob.

Thanks, man.

Appreciate what God has given you, take it easy.

Looking gift horses in the mouth can really end up in some serious course correction.

That is never fun.

 

[Nobody1]

Thanks, man.

Appreciate what God has given you, take it easy.

Looking gift horses in the mouth can really end up in some serious course correction.

That is never fun.

I should further note:

Biblical prophecy is tricky stuff. People can really get on a road these days that lead to a very bad place, very quickly. There has to be course correction, or they can find themselves in a very bad place.

Just remember, your choices are your own. Jesus said that the word He spoke to us is the Judge. So, be careful to try and understand that.

Theologians try and understand things, but there are a lot of trap doors there... when people make assumptions about what God meant or does mean.

Best to drop all such knowledge and intelligence and try and just be. Be careful not to condemn. When one does condemn falsely, back away from it.

Pray for your enemies, love your enemy.

And that means from one's heart. Understand God's all-surpassing mercy (which you can not, that is an eternal journey)... but also remember God is very serious and the One to Fear.

He is the One who can raise someone from the dead and put them into Hell after killing them.

So, fear God. If He is patient and allows you to make mistakes... do not mistake that kindness or trample on it.

Every moment is by itself. Every moment is a new chance to think and do what is right.

 

[GaryP]

I am not sure what part of you leaves, spirit, soul, etc. I felt something leave in a flash.
when I was questioning, Mark 15:38. My question is, if the Curtain is open, Then why don't we just enter. before I could finish the thought, Something inside me left. It was
like a bang. Over a period of time, I could see things very clearly, including the overlaying
of the Second Exodus on the Crucifixion. So now when I talk to people, They become
scared, confused and very angry.
So I can say, That if you try to move your spirit, that is wrong, but if you have no control like I experienced then there is nothing you can do anyways.
So now I am changed, instead of just going along with the crowd at church like I used too. I view the Bible as 3D in real time and I can enter it at will. In the Tomb at Mark. I asked the little boy what he was doing in the Tomb. I also asked the 144 thousand, who were not defiled by women, if they were defiled by men. The Coolest event is the mili-second when Jesus ascends to the Father while, on the Cross.
That's the best.

 

[Nobody1]

I am not sure what part of you leaves, spirit, soul, etc. I felt something leave in a flash.
when I was questioning, Mark 15:38. My question is, if the Curtain is open, Then why don't we just enter. before I could finish the thought, Something inside me left. It was
like a bang. Over a period of time, I could see things very clearly, including the overlaying
of the Second Exodus on the Crucifixion. So now when I talk to people, They become
scared, confused and very angry.
So I can say, That if you try to move your spirit, that is wrong, but if you have no control like I experienced then there is nothing you can do anyways.
So now I am changed, instead of just going along with the crowd at church like I used too. I view the Bible as 3D in real time and I can enter it at will. In the Tomb at Mark. I asked the little boy what he was doing in the Tomb. I also asked the 144 thousand, who were not defiled by women, if they were defiled by men. The Coolest event is the mili-second when Jesus ascends to the Father while, on the Cross.
That's the best.

I do not become scared, nor confused, nor angry. [At your posts.]

The real church is in our hearts.

If there are not people out there shaking things up gently... they get it shook up real hard and bad.

Every brick and mortar church I have been to has errors. Good people, usually, but errors. Some gross, some less gross. It is people's responsibilities to correct errors and stand up and deliver the truth.

You are speaking in riddles, however, so that can confuse people. I do that all the time, too.

You must have had some experiences which have caused you to act this way.

 

[Nobody1]

I am not sure what part of you leaves, spirit, soul, etc. I felt something leave in a flash.
when I was questioning, Mark 15:38. My question is, if the Curtain is open, Then why don't we just enter. before I could finish the thought, Something inside me left. It was
like a bang. Over a period of time, I could see things very clearly, including the overlaying
of the Second Exodus on the Crucifixion. So now when I talk to people, They become
scared, confused and very angry.
So I can say, That if you try to move your spirit, that is wrong, but if you have no control like I experienced then there is nothing you can do anyways.
So now I am changed, instead of just going along with the crowd at church like I used too. I view the Bible as 3D in real time and I can enter it at will. In the Tomb at Mark. I asked the little boy what he was doing in the Tomb. I also asked the 144 thousand, who were not defiled by women, if they were defiled by men. The Coolest event is the mili-second when Jesus ascends to the Father while, on the Cross.
That's the best.

I am getting real moody. Quite frankly, Gary, you have no place to be whining. You have no idea how hard life can be. I have not read all of your posts, but you came on here telling people they were worshipping idols because they had dreams. This is nonsense. I saw what you said as useful to get people to think, but you yourself are not saying what it is that is going on with you.

I hate to berate anyone, but I have "been there, done that" way worse then you have. It gets real old to me to hear people come on and say, "Oh, well, poor me, I am having problems because I am causing controversy and people are sad, angry, and upset".

You have no idea. I am glad you just lately started to challenge people. But, you yourself need to get your act and message together. What is it you are trying to say?

I am very lenient about such things, because I understand you are speaking things that you do not understand the full import of... speaking in poetry, riddle... and you think that is plain speech?

It is most surely not.

The second exodus. Yes, there is a second exodus. You got that from God.

Moses was conformed to the Image of Jesus Christ. Who else is so much like Jesus but Moses?

Yet, Moses and Jesus were also very different. I can just see Jesus delighted in Moses while talking to him. Like Moses, Jesus was the son of the God-King-Priest. Remember the "us" in Genesis? That is the Father and the Son.

Jesus saw a people oppressed and enslaved by a fake God-King-Priest. The Devil and his angels. Jesus saw His family from on high in ignorance, in cruel labor, and longed to free them. Many such mysteries as that. (Moses and Jesus also know the score, however, on many things. The creation is much more complicated then as people think. This does not preclude emotion, however, even if by faith we know God works everything for the good.)

And, unlike anyone else, Jesus spoke to Moses plainly and not in riddle.

What then, Gary, is the mystery of Moses Paul was speaking of when he spoke of Israel being baptized into Moses in the water and the cloud?

And as for Jesus being conformed to the Father on the cross... why did Jesus say, "My Lord, My Lord, Why Have you forsaken me" and in nearly the same breath, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do"?

Jesus and the Father are One and always have been.

However, for salvation sake, Jesus experienced death. And do you have any idea of what that means? He was separated from the Father so many children of God could be made.

Why did Jesus - God Almighty in the flesh - cry blood on the stone when He was part of all of this design? Do you think Jesus had no part in planning all of this?

Or, how was it Jesus conquered the Law by the one "sin", 'being hung on a tree'? What process did that involve?

Or, where is Heaven, that you might go there? Up there? Why did Jesus say the Kingdom of Heaven is in our hearts and among us?

Who is the Leviathan that the Lord 'makes him a pet for his daughters', or the Behemoth? Do you know their names? Do they obey your commands?

If you hide anything, what is that compared to Jesus hiding His Almighty God Self in the person of a simple carpenter for thirty years?

Where is Hell that you can find it, and have you plunged it's innermost depths, taking the keys from the dragon himself? Or where is the resurrection of the dead, when does it come about and how? Who planned this and threw this mountain into the sea?

People think God can not end everything, utterly consuming everybody. This is wrong. People are faithless and without love. They unceasingly do wrong. Their hearts have no faith in God. Why is it they should be allowed to continue when the Lord reaches out His hand all day and no one takes it? Are they cowards lost in pretense? Or is this planned from the beginning? A trap of woe and horror, a dreadful thing such as men have no understanding of?

Is joy planned for you?

How do you know?

Are you sure? Real sure?

 

[JWNEWMAN]

I am not sure what part of you leaves, spirit, soul, etc. I felt something leave in a flash.
when I was questioning, Mark 15:38. My question is, if the Curtain is open, Then why don't we just enter. before I could finish the thought, Something inside me left. It was
like a bang. Over a period of time, I could see things very clearly, including the overlaying
of the Second Exodus on the Crucifixion. So now when I talk to people, They become
scared, confused and very angry.
So I can say, That if you try to move your spirit, that is wrong, but if you have no control like I experienced then there is nothing you can do anyways.
So now I am changed, instead of just going along with the crowd at church like I used too. I view the Bible as 3D in real time and I can enter it at will. In the Tomb at Mark. I asked the little boy what he was doing in the Tomb. I also asked the 144 thousand, who were not defiled by women, if they were defiled by men. The Coolest event is the mili-second when Jesus ascends to the Father while, on the Cross.
That's the best.

The Coolest event is the mili-second when Jesus ascends to the Father while, on the Cross.

According to scripture Jesus died on the cross DID NOT ASCEND while on the cross, and, spent three days under the earth. He prophesied regarding this event and, it took place according to His word and the word spoken before Him.

The above, (Gary's statement) is what I was talking about. We have a sure word, which is scripture. Then we have the testimony of people's visions, dreams, revelations, etc., these are not sure and must be tested by scripture. If, they do not meet the test of scripture we throw them out.

Sorrow Gary, I'll have to defer to the word and scrap your 3d, it's not for me brother. The test for all things is the word of God.

Peace,
JWN

 

[Nobody1]

According to scripture Jesus died on the cross DID NOT ASCEND while on the cross, and, spent three days under the earth. He prophesied regarding this event and, it took place according to His word and the word spoken before Him.

The above, (Gary's statement) is what I was talking about. We have a sure word, which is scripture. Then we have the testimony of people's visions, dreams, revelations, etc., these are not sure and must be tested by scripture. If, they do not meet the test of scripture we throw them out.

Sorrow Gary, I'll have to defer to the word and scrap your 3d, it's not for me brother. The test for all things is the word of God.

Peace,
JWN

That is why I said he is confused. People like him (maybe we all do this) do not always say things directly, that is what they say can mean something else, but it comes out wrong. I rarely take anything at face value, because rarely is it face value when dealing with such things.

Normally, we can feel these things in the Spirit even if our minds do not get it. I did not here cut up his words piece by piece merely because I wanted him to talk about whatever it was going on with him. I do not sense in my spirit that Gary is evil or of the Devil, but that he does not understand what he is trying to say, and he is not saying it clearly yet.

However, he has apparently run off, having some things to work out, research to do, and such matters.

For me, when people are "of the Devil" or following lies of the world (a better term), I feel it. It is unbelief. They believe in curses, in lies about God and His truth, they boast or worry about tomorrow and today, and such things as this. Above all, they will contend not with kindness nor seriousness of purpose, but with mocking hatred, with gross and obviously intentional distortions designed to try and frame people.

Many test God who are of God, or test the things of God, who are of God... because they need to know things for sure.

This is quite often unintentional and just the way things work.

It is a sin as it is unbelief, but it is forgivable, as God does understand people.

For instance, Moses even tested God in the desert, and for that he was not allowed to lead the people into the Promised Land.

Much such testings surely are not included in Scripture, but enough that we might know and understand.

The story of Samson is very interesting in that way: Samson was told a long list of things he was not to do. He did them all but cut his hair. So, that was how he "knew" his strength was in his hair. And it was, and there was a reason for that as it was prophecy... but these things all fade.

When prophecy is fulfilled then it stands as a testament.

Is this not why Jesus said, 'the Law will not pass away until every last bit of it is fulfilled'?

And even Paul said, "The Law is spiritual, I do not understand it". So what had to be fulfilled in Scripture?

Is it not that "all prophecy is testimony of Jesus". But what that means is awesome. After all, how is that? (The exact phrase used is 'the spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus'.)

Moses is a prophet and we know "the Prophets" were written by prophets, so what does that mean?

It has to be true, but how?

Does it have to do with the Church and the Spirit of Jesus indwelling among the Saints?

Anyway, just saying again, that communication can be more complicated then taking things at face value, and ultimately, one has to listen to the tugs of the Spirit in our hearts.