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Thanks that's pretty good. Not confident that God would be impressed with you putting conditions on whether you would beleive in him or not though.
Mind you in saying that, my tip is if any being ever does perform some kind of party tricks to prove 'godliness' to you (or the world) that indeed does prove God exists, but it aint him, run away!
he', is He exists.
He knows how to convert me.
why doesn't he do so?
no idea.
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....if god is all powerfull.
why doesn't he destroy the antichrist, convert everyone, and be done with it?
btw, id fidn it much more likely that satan would write a book and using indoctrination and circular reasoning to keep the masses deluded.
in other words.
the bible is the perfect way for satan to get more followers...under the guise of being god.
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EnemyPartyII
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Yeah. But fortunately there's no way the antichrist could have influenced the translation, compilation or interpretation of your choice of Bible, huh?
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Not without God's permission first.
Satan influencing the translation of the King James Bible would be like little Tommy influencing the writing of the Declaration of Independence.
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So... you think its likely God will let satan masquerade as God to fool people... but NOT let Satan masquerade as a Biblical scholar/translator/author/interpreter?
Seems a rather odd place to draw the line of divine intervention vs. non-interference.
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thaumaturgy
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So this makes it sound like there's two choices:
1. Believe without any requirement of evidence or reason to believe
OR
2. Believe, with reason, in the wrong things.
I understand the point here, honest. I know that if someone came up to me and said "Hey, I'm the son o' God and I'm gonna do a party trick to PROVE it!" I'd probably fail to believe him. Even if he did a big miracle I'd resort to a form of skepticism.
But then I have to wonder: who made me thus? Who has allowed the world to prove to me time and again it is very easy to be taken in by a fake?
Skepticism is, like so many things, a very powerful tool, but it's also a discipline. There are times when I really would LOVE it if I could make money from home sitting in my pajamas and surfing the web. But it ain't so. I would love it if that $14 dietary supplement I see on the infomercial would make me thin, buff and of massively manly proportions. But it ain't true either. I'd love it if that faith healer on TV really could heal the sick.
The only way this all works out for someone like me is that I have to be given reason to believe in something. If I don't in any way feel God's presence, and I will be less likely to believe in supernatural events and I've never seen a miracle and never heard of one proven, then what am I left with?
If there is a God and he veils himself thusly, and in fact, sets up the world to be the way it is (or at least allows it to be thus), then which of us (me or God) is playing a game at a disadvantage? The stakes are much, much higher for me yet he holds all the cards.
I am a wholly temporal being with no reason to believe that there's more to the picture. Certainly no reason that cannot be explained by more prosaic reasons and doesn't carry with it dietary laws or laws against "thoughtcrime".
For me (but not for everyone) freedom from religion was a great gift to me. But I understand it is not that way for others.
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I'll let Paul handle this one:
Aren't you the one, Thaumaturgy, that claimed you were born again at one time?Romans 9:20 said:
In essence then, what you're saying here is that you are trading:
- once being enlightened
- the taste of the heavenly gift
- being a partaker of the Holy Ghost
- a taste of the good word of God
- the powers of the world to come
- seeing is believing.
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what if satan wrote the bible?
come on, it's not that hard to grasp.
if god could prevent satan from writing the bible, god could stop satan from appearing to me, claiming to be god, and converting me.
actually he could stop statan from appearing AT ALL.
why hasn't he destroyed satan yet?
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don't you know. the best way to upduct kiddies is to win their trust with candy.
can you prove that satan isn't deluding you with these false feelings?
and no , claiming "the bible" doesn't help. he could have written that to ease you and stopped you from suspecting a thing.
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If I am understanding dispensationalism right, it is a way to retranslate the bible so it says something different from what it really says.
So; witches are satan's allies; he wont want them killed; so, convince people that 'suffer no witch to live" really means there arent any withces, and to kill them would be murder. slick!
Now who might have thought up dispensationalism? and why? hmmmm
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What's with this obsession that Satan wrote the Bible?
You do realize that Satan gets trounced in It, don't you?
Not once, but over and over.
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Nope, you is blaming the messenger----again.
Oh did you notice its dispenSATinAlism---coincidence?
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you never played a part in a well though out plan have you?
if im gonna convince you im the good guy, i gotto make up a bad guy. or at least a phantom.
think "contra espionage"
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thaumaturgy
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I don't think I was ever technically "born again". I thought I might have been once back in Jr. High, but since religion is all about "feeling the right way", I'd have to say I didn't make it to that "level" in the cult.
(Regardless of how "sad" it makes God for someone to have to be sent to hell...too bad God didn't make the rules, he could have...oh, wait....)
Yes. Yes I do. I have jumped through hoops all my life. Everything we have here we wrest from the hard earth. I would think "jumping through a hoop" for an infinite, all-powerful being would be no big thing.
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