Trump's offer of National Guard troops not acted upon--select committee has not provided explanation

Arcangl86 · Jul 28, 2022

Hank77 said:
They addressed the threat to human life when the VP gave the order.
Lives were being threatened and Trump was AOL. When the President fails to do his duty the responsibility falls to the VP.
We can argue about whether it was legal for VP to step up at that point but when it comes down to protecting lives self-defense wins out.

The law applies even in times of emergency. If we make exceptions, we start to erode the rule of law. And that is dangerous. There is a reason many dictators came to power using "emergency powers"

Ana the Ist · Jul 28, 2022

Hank77 said:
One of the biggest lies that former President Trump and his allies have perpetuated about January 6th is that Trump ordered the National Guard to secure the Capitol.
...

In February 2021, Meadows told Fox News host Maria Bartiromo, “As many as 10,000 National Guard troops were told to be on the ready by the secretary of defense. That was a direct order from President Trump.”

That lie has now been decisively put to rest.

Yesterday, the House January 6th Committee revealed testimony from Christopher Miller, Trump’s acting secretary of defense, rejecting the notion that Trump ordered thousands of Guard troops to be standing by:

There is no evidence that he gave such an order.

In a video message the next day, Trump claimed “I immediately deployed the National Guard and federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders.”
Trump’s Jan. 6th National Guard Lie Crumbles

Christopher Miller isn't the only authority to give testimony that Trump never called for the National Guard neither before the 6th nor on the 6th
General Mark Milley testified that he never heard from Trump but that it was VP Pence that took control that day and called for help from the National Guard.

So Trump never called for the national guard?

I was under the impression that the article was referring to providing security for the rally.

Valletta · Jul 28, 2022

JosephZ said:
Trump never gave order to deploy National Guard ahead of January 6, former defense secretary testifies

The Inspector General's report below makes it clear that President Trump wanted sufficient numbers of National Guard present. For some reason Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of D.C. did not want them, the committee should have them both testify publicly as to why. President Trump could only offer to send the National Guard.

Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m. The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protestors on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, “We’ve got a plan and we’ve got it covered.”
https://media.defense.gov/2021/Nov/19/2002896088/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2022-039 V2 508.PDF

Pommer · Jul 28, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
So Trump never called for the national guard?

I was under the impression that the article was referring to providing security for the rally.

Trump would have called the National Guard if it had gotten “bad” enough. That was the point of the Ninth Hearing: He waited 187 minutes to do anything because obviously to he, himself, it wasn’t bad enough, for him to do anything about the riot.

Ana the Ist · Jul 28, 2022

Pommer said:
Trump would have called the National Guard if it had gotten “bad” enough. That was the point of the Ninth Hearing: He waited 187 minutes to do anything because obviously to he, himself, it wasn’t bad enough, for him to do anything about the riot.

But did he try to get extra security for the rally and was denied?

Pommer · Jul 28, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
But did he try to get extra security for the rally and was denied?

Trump. Is. Not. The. Victim. Here.

Ana the Ist · Jul 29, 2022

Pommer said:
Trump. Is. Not. The. Victim. Here.

It's a simple question.

Everyone is calling into doubt the validity of the source...

So I'm asking if anyone knows?

stevil · Jul 29, 2022

Valletta said:
President Trump could only offer to send the National Guard.

Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m. The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protestors on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event.

The interesting thing here is.
1. Trump did not offer to send in National Guard troops.
2. If the IG report is true, Trump just asked a question, rather than offering resources.
3. At no point does it say that Trump offered 10,000 troops. This seems to be a bit of false propaganda running in right wing circles and right wing propaganda media.
4. What does this have to do with Nancy Pelosi? Seems to be that the idea that Nancy Pelosi rejected a request for 10,000 Troops is again right wing nonsense, spread by propaganda personalities.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-not-order-10000-troops-secure-capitol-jan-6/
The reporter, Adam Ciralsky, asked Miller why Trump threw out such a big number: “The president’s sometimes hyperbolic, as you’ve noticed. There were gonna be a million people in the street, I think was his expectation.” (It was just thousands of people.)

In other words, 10,000 troops was a guesstimate based on Trump’s inflated belief in his ability to draw a crowd. The statement did not come as part of a meeting to discuss how to handle the event. Instead, it appears to have been an offhand remark. That’s not the same thing as a “request.” (Trump certainly knew how to order the deployment of National Guard troops in June 2020.)

In fact, the Defense Department never acted on Trump’s remarks, according to our reporting, as department officials did not regard the offhand comment to be a “direct order,” as Meadows claimed.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said officials checked the records after Trump’s remarks about ordering 10,000 National Guard troops. “We have no record of such an order being given,” Kirby told The Fact Checker.

So it seems to me that D Trump, made an offhand comment at a meeting that had nothing to do with the Jan 6 event. And now Trump supporters are claiming that this comment was an official request and that it was Nancy Pelosi that denied that official request.
This is of course inaccurate, misleading, and a gross distortion of facts. All because they were hoping that Trump had actually made this request.

JosephZ · Jul 29, 2022

Valletta said:
The Inspector General's report below makes it clear that President Trump wanted sufficient numbers of National Guard present. For some reason Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of D.C. did not want them, the committee should have them both testify publicly as to why. President Trump could only offer to send the National Guard.

The Inspector General's report is apparently flawed based on the recent testimony of Christopher Miller, Gen. Mark Milley, Keith Kellogg, and Nick Luna. Even before this testimony the accuracy of the report was in question.

An Analysis of a Recent DoD Inspector General Investigation and Other Matters

By Colonel Earl G. Matthews, U.S. Army

1 December 2021

The purpose of this memorandum is to outline and detail the myriad inaccuracies, false or misleading statements, or examples of faulty analysis contained in a recent publicly released Department of Defense Inspector General (DoDIG) report of its investigation into the Department of Defense’s actions leading up to and in response to the violent assault on the U.S. Capitol which occurred on 6 January 2021. This memorandum will also detail a series of false and/or misleading statements or documents deliberately made or submitted to the DoDIG and/or to the House Oversight and Reform Committee by senior officers of the United States Army.

Inspector General investigations are usually and appropriately accorded great deference because they are normally unbiased, independent, contain careful analysis of facts and circumstances, and because they make determinations as to the credibility, veracity and biases of particular witnesses, based on the preponderance of the evidence. Unfortunately, the DoDIG report on its investigation into DoD actions leading up to and during the 6 January attack was marked by few of these characteristics.

The DoDIG report is replete with factual inaccuracies, discrepancies and faulty analysis. It relies on demonstrably false testimony or statements. The focus of this memorandum is on the discrepancies and falsehoods that DoDIG relied on to produce its report. The danger is that if this report, with its glaring errors and wholesale adoption of the Army company line, is accorded the deference typically afforded inspector general investigations, the report will become part of the historical record and a false narrative will have been as adopted fact.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017d-8aca-dee4-a5ff-eeda79e90000

For their part, the Army brass’s version of events relies largely on a November 2021 Department of Defense Inspector General Report which said Department of Defense officials acted “appropriately” on January 6.

And these two sets of accounts diverge on several key points, most strikingly, McCarthy’s supposed communication and direction to Walker.

A planning call was organized for 2:30 p.m. to which Walker, Contee, Sund—and McCarthy—were invited.

Matthews states that McCarthy did not attend this call because he had gone to see the Acting of Defense Secretary Chris Miller.

But the DoDIG claims something different: Unnamed “witnesses” in the report say that McCarthy was on the call for five minutes.

**********

Walker, Matthews, Contee, and Sund all say that on the 2:30 p.m. phone call both Flynn—who is the brother of disgraced Trump former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn—and Piatt expressed concern over the “optics” of sending in the National Guard to the Capitol.

Yet when Flynn and Piatt testified to Congress earlier this year, they claimed that they did not say such things about “optics"

**********

Page 56 of the DoDIG report says McCarthy called Walker at approximately 3:05 p.m. and asked Walker to move Guard personnel to the Armory and draft a “hasty” plan to support law enforcement at the Capitol—which is close to what Flynn and Piatt wanted. An unnamed “witness” said McCarthy and Walker discussed the logistics of moving Guard personnel and a quick reaction force from JFA to the Armory.

The problem? Matthews says this call never happened.

He wrote that Walker “categorically denies that Secretary McCarthy called him at 3:05 p.m.” Moreover, Walker said that he had already moved a quick reaction force to the Armory “on his own initiative” before 3:05 p.m. and at that time, was on a video conference with Piatt, Flynn, and other Army leaders.

**********

At 4:35 p.m., the DoDIG report claims that McCarthy called Walker again, this time to direct him to immediately move all available National Guard personnel from the Armory.

Walker and Matthews say that call never took place, either.

**********

It just took what Matthews saw as a bogus DoD report that smeared his boss for him to fire off 36-pages for the committee, all of which are begging to be corroborated. And it seems possible—maybe even likely—that there are others like Matthews, waiting to testify if asked.

Someone Is Lying About Why It Took So Long for the National Guard to Deploy on January 6

Valletta · Jul 29, 2022

JosephZ said:
The Inspector General's report is apparently flawed based on the recent testimony of Christopher Miller, Gen. Mark Milley, Keith Kellogg, and Nick Luna. Even before this testimony the accuracy of the report was in question.

An Analysis of a Recent DoD Inspector General Investigation and Other Matters

By Colonel Earl G. Matthews, U.S. Army

1 December 2021

The purpose of this memorandum is to outline and detail the myriad inaccuracies, false or misleading statements, or examples of faulty analysis contained in a recent publicly released Department of Defense Inspector General (DoDIG) report of its investigation into the Department of Defense’s actions leading up to and in response to the violent assault on the U.S. Capitol which occurred on 6 January 2021. This memorandum will also detail a series of false and/or misleading statements or documents deliberately made or submitted to the DoDIG and/or to the House Oversight and Reform Committee by senior officers of the United States Army.

Inspector General investigations are usually and appropriately accorded great deference because they are normally unbiased, independent, contain careful analysis of facts and circumstances, and because they make determinations as to the credibility, veracity and biases of particular witnesses, based on the preponderance of the evidence. Unfortunately, the DoDIG report on its investigation into DoD actions leading up to and during the 6 January attack was marked by few of these characteristics.

The DoDIG report is replete with factual inaccuracies, discrepancies and faulty analysis. It relies on demonstrably false testimony or statements. The focus of this memorandum is on the discrepancies and falsehoods that DoDIG relied on to produce its report. The danger is that if this report, with its glaring errors and wholesale adoption of the Army company line, is accorded the deference typically afforded inspector general investigations, the report will become part of the historical record and a false narrative will have been as adopted fact.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017d-8aca-dee4-a5ff-eeda79e90000

For their part, the Army brass’s version of events relies largely on a November 2021 Department of Defense Inspector General Report which said Department of Defense officials acted “appropriately” on January 6.

And these two sets of accounts diverge on several key points, most strikingly, McCarthy’s supposed communication and direction to Walker.

A planning call was organized for 2:30 p.m. to which Walker, Contee, Sund—and McCarthy—were invited.

Matthews states that McCarthy did not attend this call because he had gone to see the Acting of Defense Secretary Chris Miller.

But the DoDIG claims something different: Unnamed “witnesses” in the report say that McCarthy was on the call for five minutes.

**********

Walker, Matthews, Contee, and Sund all say that on the 2:30 p.m. phone call both Flynn—who is the brother of disgraced Trump former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn—and Piatt expressed concern over the “optics” of sending in the National Guard to the Capitol.

Yet when Flynn and Piatt testified to Congress earlier this year, they claimed that they did not say such things about “optics"

**********

Page 56 of the DoDIG report says McCarthy called Walker at approximately 3:05 p.m. and asked Walker to move Guard personnel to the Armory and draft a “hasty” plan to support law enforcement at the Capitol—which is close to what Flynn and Piatt wanted. An unnamed “witness” said McCarthy and Walker discussed the logistics of moving Guard personnel and a quick reaction force from JFA to the Armory.

The problem? Matthews says this call never happened.

He wrote that Walker “categorically denies that Secretary McCarthy called him at 3:05 p.m.” Moreover, Walker said that he had already moved a quick reaction force to the Armory “on his own initiative” before 3:05 p.m. and at that time, was on a video conference with Piatt, Flynn, and other Army leaders.

**********

At 4:35 p.m., the DoDIG report claims that McCarthy called Walker again, this time to direct him to immediately move all available National Guard personnel from the Armory.

Walker and Matthews say that call never took place, either.

**********

It just took what Matthews saw as a bogus DoD report that smeared his boss for him to fire off 36-pages for the committee, all of which are begging to be corroborated. And it seems possible—maybe even likely—that there are others like Matthews, waiting to testify if asked.

Someone Is Lying About Why It Took So Long for the National Guard to Deploy on January 6

The topic is why President Trump's offer of the National Guard was not acted upon, the offer took place days before January 6. Why Nancy Pelosi or any of the Democrats did not call President Trump for assistance on January 6 is another topic.

Pommer · Jul 29, 2022

JosephZ said:
The Inspector General's report is apparently flawed based on the recent testimony of Christopher Miller, Gen. Mark Milley, Keith Kellogg, and Nick Luna. Even before this testimony the accuracy of the report was in question.

An Analysis of a Recent DoD Inspector General Investigation and Other Matters

By Colonel Earl G. Matthews, U.S. Army

1 December 2021

The purpose of this memorandum is to outline and detail the myriad inaccuracies, false or misleading statements, or examples of faulty analysis contained in a recent publicly released Department of Defense Inspector General (DoDIG) report of its investigation into the Department of Defense’s actions leading up to and in response to the violent assault on the U.S. Capitol which occurred on 6 January 2021. This memorandum will also detail a series of false and/or misleading statements or documents deliberately made or submitted to the DoDIG and/or to the House Oversight and Reform Committee by senior officers of the United States Army.

Inspector General investigations are usually and appropriately accorded great deference because they are normally unbiased, independent, contain careful analysis of facts and circumstances, and because they make determinations as to the credibility, veracity and biases of particular witnesses, based on the preponderance of the evidence. Unfortunately, the DoDIG report on its investigation into DoD actions leading up to and during the 6 January attack was marked by few of these characteristics.

The DoDIG report is replete with factual inaccuracies, discrepancies and faulty analysis. It relies on demonstrably false testimony or statements. The focus of this memorandum is on the discrepancies and falsehoods that DoDIG relied on to produce its report. The danger is that if this report, with its glaring errors and wholesale adoption of the Army company line, is accorded the deference typically afforded inspector general investigations, the report will become part of the historical record and a false narrative will have been as adopted fact.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017d-8aca-dee4-a5ff-eeda79e90000

For their part, the Army brass’s version of events relies largely on a November 2021 Department of Defense Inspector General Report which said Department of Defense officials acted “appropriately” on January 6.

And these two sets of accounts diverge on several key points, most strikingly, McCarthy’s supposed communication and direction to Walker.

A planning call was organized for 2:30 p.m. to which Walker, Contee, Sund—and McCarthy—were invited.

Matthews states that McCarthy did not attend this call because he had gone to see the Acting of Defense Secretary Chris Miller.

But the DoDIG claims something different: Unnamed “witnesses” in the report say that McCarthy was on the call for five minutes.

**********

Walker, Matthews, Contee, and Sund all say that on the 2:30 p.m. phone call both Flynn—who is the brother of disgraced Trump former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn—and Piatt expressed concern over the “optics” of sending in the National Guard to the Capitol.

Yet when Flynn and Piatt testified to Congress earlier this year, they claimed that they did not say such things about “optics"

**********

Page 56 of the DoDIG report says McCarthy called Walker at approximately 3:05 p.m. and asked Walker to move Guard personnel to the Armory and draft a “hasty” plan to support law enforcement at the Capitol—which is close to what Flynn and Piatt wanted. An unnamed “witness” said McCarthy and Walker discussed the logistics of moving Guard personnel and a quick reaction force from JFA to the Armory.

The problem? Matthews says this call never happened.

He wrote that Walker “categorically denies that Secretary McCarthy called him at 3:05 p.m.” Moreover, Walker said that he had already moved a quick reaction force to the Armory “on his own initiative” before 3:05 p.m. and at that time, was on a video conference with Piatt, Flynn, and other Army leaders.

**********

At 4:35 p.m., the DoDIG report claims that McCarthy called Walker again, this time to direct him to immediately move all available National Guard personnel from the Armory.

Walker and Matthews say that call never took place, either.

**********

It just took what Matthews saw as a bogus DoD report that smeared his boss for him to fire off 36-pages for the committee, all of which are begging to be corroborated. And it seems possible—maybe even likely—that there are others like Matthews, waiting to testify if asked.

Someone Is Lying About Why It Took So Long for the National Guard to Deploy on January 6

From your bottom link:
Walker, Matthews, Contee, and Sund all say that on the 2:30 p.m. phone call both Flynn—who is the brother of disgraced Trump former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn—and Piatt expressed concern over the “optics” of sending in the National Guard to the Capitol.

The “it isn’t bad enough” defense.
Oh, we would TOTALLY obey these proposed orders if it got bad enough, but what would the neighbors say?

JosephZ · Jul 29, 2022

Valletta said:
The topic is why President Trump's offer of the National Guard was not acted upon, the offer took place days before January 6.

The request for assistance from the National Guard was made by the Mayor of DC on December 31st and her request was approved. There was no offer from Trump prior to January 6th, or on January 6th itself for that matter. He only made a passing remark to Miller about needing 10,000 National Guard troops on January 5th. Miller took his comment to mean that a large force would be required to maintain order the following day and nothing more.

On December 31, 2020, Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser sent a written request to Major General William J. Walker, Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard, seeking unarmed National Guard support to the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department and D.C. Fire and Emergency Medical Services for planned demonstrations scheduled for 5 and 6 January.

Over the following weekend, the Secretary of the Army, Ryan D. McCarthy, and the Army Chief of Staff, General James C. McConville, reviewed Mayor Bowser’s request and presented it to me and Chairman Milley on Monday, January 4, 2021. I formally approved the request that morning and conveyed it to the Secretary of the Army. The Secretary of the Army further confirmed the approval of this support to the Deputy Attorney General of the United States.

Because the District of Columbia is not a state, its mayor needs Presidential approval to use the D.C. National Guard, unlike state governors who can unilaterally mobilize their National Guard forces. The President had delegated his authority in this regard to the Secretary of Defense.

I also want to address questions that have been raised in regard to the President’s involvement in the response. He had none with respect to the Department of Defense efforts on January 6.

On January 3, in a meeting at the White House with the President and several others regarding numerous unrelated topics, the Mayor’s request for National Guard support was discussed for less than a minute. The President said to give the Mayor the support she requested. I will reiterate that we were already committed to giving that support and the matter was not discussed that evening (or at any time) in the context of seeking or needing the President’s approval.

On the afternoon of January 5, I received a call from the President in connection with a rally by his supporters that day at Freedom Plaza. The President asked if I was watching the event on television. I replied that I had seen coverage of the event. He then commented that “they” were going to need 10,000 troops the following day. The call lasted fewer than thirty seconds and I did not respond substantively, and there was no elaboration. I took his comment to mean that a large force would be required to maintain order the following day. At the time, I had been advised by our domestic law enforcement partners that based on their experience with protests and crowd control, as well as their intelligence information, that they were confident that they had sufficient personnel assigned to maintain order. More specifically, the National Guard had been providing, and were committed to continue to provide, the support requested by Mayor Bowser. I am unaware of any briefing or any other discussions the President may have had with any other government officials or his advisors regarding law enforcement preparations for January 6.

My recollection is that White House personnel, including White House counsel and the Chief of Staff, but not the President, participated in some of the multi-agency calls on January 6 convened to organize and coordinate the response to the events at the Capitol after the mob
entered the Capitol building.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20705853/christopher-c-miller-statement-5122021.pdf

In February 2021, [Mark] Meadows told Fox News host Maria Bartiromo, “As many as 10,000 National Guard troops were told to be on the ready by the secretary of defense. That was a direct order from President Trump.”

That lie has now been decisively put to rest.

Yesterday, the House January 6th Committee revealed testimony from Christopher Miller, Trump’s acting secretary of defense, rejecting the notion that Trump ordered thousands of Guard troops to be standing by.

In the audio clip, a questioner asks Miller whether there is “any accuracy” to Meadows’s statement. Miller’s reply:

Not from my perspective. I was never given any direction or order or knew of any plans of that nature. So, I was surprised by seeing that publicly . . . we obviously had plans for activating more folks, but that was not anything more than contingency planning. There was no official message traffic or anything of that nature.

The questioner follows up: “Just so we’re clear, you did not have 10,000 troops, quote ‘to be on the ready’ . . . prior to January 6th?”

Miller: “A non-military person probably could have some sort of weird interpretation, but no, to answer your question, that was not part of my plan or the Department of Defense’s plan.”

Questioner: “To be crystal clear, there was no direct order from President Trump to put 10,000 troops ‘to be on the ready’ for January 6th, correct?”

Miller: “That’s correct. There was no direct—there was no order from the president.”

Trump’s Jan. 6th National Guard Lie Crumbles

essentialsaltes · Jul 29, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
But did he try to get extra security for the rally and was denied?

As I understand it, he may have pondered the idea aloud, but no one did anything, because he did not give an order or say "Simon says".

Hank77 · Jul 29, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
So Trump never called for the national guard?

I was under the impression that the article was referring to providing security for the rally.

Does the article say he did?

Hank77 · Jul 29, 2022

Valletta said:
The Inspector General's report below makes it clear that President Trump wanted sufficient numbers of National Guard present. For some reason Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of D.C. did not want them, the committee should have them both testify publicly as to why. President Trump could only offer to send the National Guard.

Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m. The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protestors on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, “We’ve got a plan and we’ve got it covered.”
https://media.defense.gov/2021/Nov/19/2002896088/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2022-039 V2 508.PDF

Please quote directly from this DOD report and list the page and paragraph you're quoting from.
There are 152 pages to this report. You say this info. is there, show us.

You see the problem is Gen. Milley in testimony clearly said that VP Pence gave the orders and Mark Meadows tried to cover up the fact that Pence took charge when Trump wouldn't.
Gen. Milley was under oath.

stevil · Jul 29, 2022

Hank77 said:
You see the problem is Gen. Milley in testimony clearly said that VP Pence gave the orders and Mark Meadows tried to cover up the fact that Pence took charge when Trump wouldn't.
Gen. Milley was under oath.

The Jan 6 public hearings presenting Republican eye witness testimonies quite clearly showed that D Trump was aware of the violent assault of the capital, was aware that the violent mob were his people, doing his bidding, was aware they were chanting "hang Mike Pence" was aware that police were being violently attacked and that the building was being illegally invaded.

Trump was aware that some in the mob were armed with weapons and came from his speech where he was telling staff to stop checking for weapons, and where he inflamed the feelings of the crowed and then directed the crowd to go to the capital.

The Jan 6 hearings then proved that on Jan 6 when all this was happening, D Trump did nothing for over three hours other than just to watch the insurrection unfold on TV, he even wanted to join the insurrectionists but was denied by his own Secret Service driver. Many of his admin, his collegues, his family and his Fox news opinion show host friends were imploring him to call off his mob, but he still refused for over three hours.

Calls to get help were orchestrated by Pence as the VP as the President was not taking any action in a moment (over 3 hours) that called for an immediate action to save lives and save the government and democracy in USA.

Ana the Ist · Jul 29, 2022

Hank77 said:
Does the article say he did?

According to the OP....yeah....it does.

Pommer · Jul 29, 2022

Hank77 said:
Does the article say he did?

Ana the Ist said:
According to the OP....yeah....it does.

“A Capitol Police timeline obtained by Just the News shows the Trump Pentagon first offered National Guard troops to the Capitol Police on Jan. 2, 2021, four full days before the event.”

“The Goods”:

Valletta · Jul 29, 2022

Hank77 said:
Please quote directly from this DOD report and list the page and paragraph you're quoting from.
There are 152 pages to this report. You say this info. is there, show us.

You see the problem is Gen. Milley in testimony clearly said that VP Pence gave the orders and Mark Meadows tried to cover up the fact that Pence took charge when Trump wouldn't.
Gen. Milley was under oath.

It's from the top of page 31. For the future, you can just search (CTRL F) on an uncommon word from any quotation.

Valletta · Jul 29, 2022

Pommer said:
Trump would have called the National Guard if it had gotten “bad” enough. That was the point of the Ninth Hearing: He waited 187 minutes to do anything because obviously to he, himself, it wasn’t bad enough, for him to do anything about the riot.

Rather than leading an insurrection, President Trump was watching television, FOX news specifically. Video of the various skirmishes only came out much later. If the Capitol police and other security could not handle the situation and Pelosi, or the mayor of D.C., or Chuck Schumer decided they wanted the National Guard to help and had called President Trump for assistance knowing the president he would have acted at the drop of a hat. Why they did not call for assistance we do not know, that's why it is important to take Nancy Pelosi's testimony and get the emails from her staff. President Trump could only offer the National Guard, the president does not have jurisdiction over the Capitol or Washington D.C., if he had the authority he would have followed his own recommendation and had the troops there to handle the expected large crowd.

Trump's offer of National Guard troops not acted upon--select committee has not provided explanation

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